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named as an official reference for acronyms used in their mailing lists. The closest I've found for something Microsoft related came from third-party documentation concerning WindowsCE. The concepts they represent don't need abreviation to be explained. Doing so only adds an air of authority that mostly points back to wikipedia itself. In the context of this article shouldn't jargon be as common as "DMA"?
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Yes - that's the way it's done in Linux, for example. There are command-line tools like "insmod" (to install a driver module), "rmmod" (to remove one) and "lsmod" to list the currently running modules. I don't know enough about other operating systems - but I presume they have similar capabilities.
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I don't think one can classify the drivers are n-bit drivers. Only machines and OS can be classified as such. What does a 16-bit driver mean? Does it mean that the driver is accessing the registers on the device as 16-bit words? In fact, I have seen devices on machines with 32 bit words, that can be
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I believe (in software terms) the term 'driver' can be used in a context other than a device driver. For example database client drivers. Adding this to this particular article under this name 'Device Driver' would be out of scope …. however such a database driver would be in the scope of 'Driver
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that I had in mind was "Knowledge is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal" - " an article should not read like a "how-to" style owners manual, advice column (legal, medical or otherwise) or suggestion box. This includes tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, game guides,
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Depending on the specific computer architecture, drivers can be 8-bit, 16-bit, 32-bit, and more recently, 64-bit. This corresponds directly to the architecture of the operating system for which those drivers were developed. For example, in 16-bit Windows 3.11, most drivers were 16-bits, while most
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Well, the question about the level of determinism of the physical reality is open, to my knowledge. However, the writer probably meant something else. The outside world is much less controlled than the world of memory locations and registers. And now that I am here commenting this pretty important
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LDD and PDD are presented as commonly used acronyms, but I find little evidence of this. SymbianOS uses these terms in their documentation. Otherwise, google points to this wikipedia article. I can't find any trace of them on FOLDOC, the Linux kernel mailing list, or the FreeBSD glossary which is
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A device driver is some software used to mediate the communication between the device and a computer's operating system. A firmware is a piece of software on the actual device. For example: you need a driver to upload songs from your computer to your iPod; while listening to the songs later, the
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Device drivers are so OS specific that there are as many jargons as OS. Microsoft uses the terms MDD(Model Device Driver) and PDD. Symbian uses LDD and PDD. Linux drivers, although layered, do not use these terminologies. Only recently (from kernel version 2.5 onwards), has Linux got a very
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is really weasel words. In my opinion, it is of course nice to tell the audience who invented layering device drivers, but on the other hand, given it is so logical step it does not have to be some particular person or institution at all. I start to fear I see the sentence
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structured device driver framework. It uses the terms Class Driver (Logical Device Driver) and Device Driver (Physical Device Driver). It is a matter of choosing one set of terminology over other. I guess LDD and PDD are the terms closest to their actual functionality.
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I agree. Speaking as a kernel engineer, that paragraph made me cringe. Basically it means that drivers should be implemented using the same instruction set as their host kernel. Well, duh. It might perhaps be worth changing it for an explanation that
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I actually came here also looking for information about non-hardware drivers (for example, some security applications on the Windows platform). This article should definitely cover this category, even if only to say it is an incorrect use of the term.
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Unless operated by a robot a keyboard is definitly non-deterministic... And if network cards worked 100% deterministicly we would have faster than light communication simply by calculating the next packet before it actually runs thru the tubes...
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I removed that part as being promotional/copyvio before seeing this post. Thanks for pointing it out. I hadn't noticed it on other pages yet, but I'll try to see if I can find any that haven't already been reverted. Cheers!
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accessed only as 16-bit words. So, the "bit length" of the driver depends on the peripheral and the machine. Any way, I think this is not a very good way to classify the drivers. I think we should remove this line.
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Why choose at all when they do nothing to explain the concept? If Knowledge had an article on comparative operating system device driver jargon would this article then be seen as having a bias for SymbianOS?
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firmware is the software on the iPod that lets you choose the song, change the volume, actually play the different audio codecs, etc. Don't even get me started on how stupid the previous answer is.
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FSDs are developed using the same methodologies and kits as "device" drivers, at least in the Microsoft world. In fact, the filesystem kit is a superset of the driver development kit. --
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Open source hardware: Open source hardware, free and open source software, free software community, information, device driver, programmable logic device, hardware description language
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You fail to realize that a decent percentage of people are landing on that page are for some kind of device driver install guide, and you also failed to cite which specific
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drivers for 32-bit Windows XP are 32-bit. More recently, specific 64-bit Windows versions have required hardware vendors to provide newer 64-bit drivers for their devices.
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What's the difference between a device driver and firmware? Maybe someone should consider adding that as a section, because I'm confused and others may be as well.
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Moreover, debugging device drivers is a difficult skill as it often involves monitoring hardware itself - which by definition behaves in a non-deterministic way.
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Device driver is like a dual-language dictionary to help you tell a foreign hairdresser how you want your hair done, firmware is like a hairdressing course. --
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I find it strange to talk of file systems managers as drivers, since "A device driver is a computer program that enables another program to interact with a
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can be used to allow a driver written for one instruction set to be used in a kernel for another, it is generally considered best to avoid this process.
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Yeah, calling clocked hardware non-deterministic is wrong in my opinion. May be it was intended to mean poorly fabricated.
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Um. Hardware is nondeterministic? Am I missing something here, or is that a bit on the wrong side? -
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Is the summary still too short? That tag is from Feb '13. What should be in it that isn't?
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https://www.technovelty.org/linux/what-actually-happens-when-you-plug-in-a-usb-device.html
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To system software. They provide new functions at the level of the operating system.
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yeah, its not like we're writing device drivers for brains or anything. Jeeez.
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This was at the bottompast the references. It's on several other pages too.
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supports different instruction sets of varying word size, and that while
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should we be down to one for Microsoft Windows and one for Linux per
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can drivers implemented as modules be unloaded on a running system?
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Device Driver belongs to System Software or Application Software??
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Device drivers can be abstracted into logical and physical layers
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The Linux driver implementer’s API guide (Latest at Kernel.org)
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The section "Device Driver installation help — end user" fails
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Section "Device Driver installation help — end user" fails
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