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American development budget got out of control and Cabinet decided on the F-4K and F-4M Phantoms instead. (Healey would always point out that these things ended up costing three times the price of a standard F-4J Phantom because of the re-engineering for Rolls-Royce Spey engines.) All the same, the Phantoms served the RAF and Royal Navy well. It's simply not true, and is not claimed by the cited sources, that the Wilson government made any move to scrap HMS Ark Royal. In fact they paid for a lengthy refit to enable the Ark to carry Phantoms and S2 Buccaneers well into the 1970s. The Wilson government, which spent 6% of GDP on defence compared to 2% now, also gave the RAF the F6 Lightning, the Hercules, the Nimrod, the Harrier and the S2 Buccaneer (which turned out to be capable of most of the missions planned for the TSR2), re-roled the Victors as tankers and the Vulcans as low-level nuclear strike aircraft with the WE177 bomb, and even inaugurated the development programmes for the Jaguar and the Tornado. For the Navy, the government built new Leander-class frigates, the most useful ships the Navy ever had, and expensively upgraded the existing ones. They also brought the Resolution-class Polaris submarines into service and ordered the Churchill-class nuclear hunter-killers, the definitive naval-superiority weapons, one of which, HMS Conqueror, became the only hunter-killer in history to sink an enemy ship. For the Army, the government brought in the Chieftain main battle tank and ordered the superb (and very long-lived) Scorpion reconnaissance tank from Alvis. The article's suggestion that the Wilson government did not pull its weight on defence is frankly ludicrous.
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