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Notability in the folk world is a tricky thing to pin down. Notability to non diatonic button accordion players is fairly straightforward. But there are many players who are very notable in the DBA world but not outside it. I'm not sure what
Knowledge (XXG)'s opinions would be on that. Few will have
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The article should not be trying to persuade people into or out of some presumed point of view. A simple presentation of the facts will correctly inform those who hold this fallacy to be true. An opinion such as "Many people think" shouldn't be presented as simple truth, it is contentious. Maybe the
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There seem to be two sets of terms in usage for describing whether there are one or two notes on each button/key of an accordion. They are mentioned in the article but without any citation. Maybe someone who has access to a copy of something like Groves or the Oxford
Companion to Music might like to
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Indeed. As I said, there is a difference between notability to those within the circle of interest and notability from without. John
Kirkpatrick is notable outside enthusiasts of the Diatonic Button Accordion. Ben Averis probably isn't, fantastic player though he is. It seems that Knowledge (XXG)'s
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Do you think that Rod
Stradling's page about Melodeons on the Musical Tradtions Magazine website would be suitable for the English definitions? Rod can be seen to be not only (!) a musician but an established author, journalist and magazine editor. It might be argued that this is a "self-published"
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I thought of doing exactly that. But I think you would end up repeating a phrase such as "producing different notes on pushing and pulling the bellows" to the point where it would become tiresome. Both "single-/double-action" and increasingly "bi-/unisonoric" are widely understood. They may not be
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This section was preserved during the recent major rewrite of the article. Very possibly the reference to Dave
Mallinson's book was intended to substantiate the use of these terms. I don't have it though. The terms certainly reflect my experience - in England, Australia, Ireland and North America.
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I recognised most of the names that had been added. They are all accomplished box players, some professional musicians, others amateurs who are well-known on the folk scene. I suspect over-enthusiasm and most likely lack of understanding of the notability requirements rather than any conflict of
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Another proposal. I think that it would be quite possible (in fact, relatively easy) to rewrite this article without the use of the terms single/double action and bisonoric/unisonoric. Both of these terms are confusing jargon that is not used in everyday language (discussions on places like the
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The sentence that was removed (regarding a common misconception that "diatonic" describing an accordion means different notes on push and pull) is the kind of thing you can never substantiate with a citation, since people who hold this kind of misconception are not likely to publish articles
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Italian-style button box in C is G below middle C to E, 2 3/4 octaves higher. Note some notes will be missing. Scale follows in ascending order from G below middle C: G, B, C, D, E, F, G, G#/Ab, A, A#/Bb, B, C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C,
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There has been a spate of additions in the last few days, some from a named editor and some from IPs, all adding non-notable names to the list of
English players. I have a nagging suspicion that it may be the same person behind all the edits and that a
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melodeon.net forum indicate that people find the terms confusing) and the article would be just as useful without them. If there are no reliable references made for these terms in the near future then I'll edit the article to remove them.
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How about moving that section to the end, close to the references, with links to the relevant articles in other-language versions of
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This link should be deleted and a new list created only for players of the diatonic button box. Most of the people on the "list of accordionists" would not be able to play "Mary Had A Little Lamb" on this instrument.
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I had looked at that page the other day but when I got to the part about semitone-apart boxes being "chromatic melodeons" gave up on the idea that it could be used to confirm terminology we are proposing here... :-)
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OK. But just today I was browsing the article on Alan Turing and there was a section refuting the commonly held misconception that he was one of those responsible for the
Colossus project. :-)
168:- In Ireland, melodeon is generally reserved for instruments with a single row of melody buttons (a “one-row” instrument), while instruments with two or three rows are called button accordions.
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Can I just point out that on a diatonic accordion, the tonic is not on the first button but the third. It's a small point but it will confuse anyone trying to use this page to learn fingering.
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displaying their ignorance. And yet I have met several such people. Why not educate any of them that happen to read this article by gently pointing out their error?
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I think that there are a lot of us who think we know that this is correct, but we need some citations. I'm not sure where from though?
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