Talk:Ennis Del Mar

2100:. From PS: "Unless restricted by another policy, primary sources that have been reputably published may be used in Knowledge, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them. Any interpretation of primary source material requires a reliable secondary source for that interpretation. A primary source may be used on Knowledge only to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." The only "straightforward, descriptive statements of facts" here is that Ennis Del Mar is called "Ennis del Mar" in the short story, beyond that, there is no legitimate reason to use "del Mar" as more reliable sources use "Del Mar". 1990:. From MOS:FICTION: "editors must use both primary and secondary information". The primary information is the original spelling, however, secondary information prefers "Del Mar". Next: "Secondary information is external to the fictional universe; it is usually taken from secondary sources about the work or the fictional world it describes, or from primary and secondary sources about the author and the creation of the work The rule of thumb is to use as much secondary information as necessary and useful to cover the topic's major facts and details from a real-world perspective – not more and not less." Proulx's spelling is a primary source, while the upper case spelling is used by several sources cited below. 2310:

because books always take precedence: I think it’s because for many people the LOTR books, specifically, would be the “common name”. LOTR is a bit unusual I think for having huge numbers of people for whom the movies are “most common”/“primary”, and equally huge numbers for whom the books are “most common”/“primary”. I think Brokeback Mountain is a different case. Many people hear about the book for the first time while reading about the movie. For them, Ennis Del Mar is the “common name” and discovering that there was a book version introduces them to the del Mar variant. To reflect that, I think I makes sense for the article to be Del Mar.

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behavior is inherently subjective and why I find critics' assertions less than persuasive. I suggest that heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual (gay) are commonly used as mutually exclusive terms. Within the mutually exclusive premise "bisexual" fits best but I don't claim an excellent fit, just better than the other alternatives. I propose staying within the bounds of what we can verify with reliable sources. I also believe the story would be diminished had sexual orientation been made explicit which is why I can support removing bisexual as well.

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your basis for preferring the potentially incorrect form beyond "a lot of reliable sources use it"? Do you consider the fact that the author may have used a different form to be entirely irrelevant? This is why I brought up "Hollywoo"; because, to me, just because a number of sources begin blindly referring to something incorrectly doesn't mean we should simply follow suit.

2305:(which I haven’t seen much of here) I expect will use del Mar. I think the real question is, is the movie version or the book version the most common thing people are thinking of when they look up Brokeback Mountain? I think the comparison to Lord of the Rings above is a useful one, but it actually led me to a different conclusion than I expected. I spent some time reading 2012:: "Knowledge does not necessarily use the subject's 'official' name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above." What do the sources say? 2140:: If the author's original naming of the character was "Ennis del Mar", then I see no reason why we should be changing it solely because sources have used capitalization that does not reflect the author's intent. Even if all of the above arguments covered this case, and I'm not sure they do, I would then argue that in this instance 1319:. That's not the analogy? Well, the problem now is that "'Del' is a typo", how that conclusion was reached? Are you basing solely upon what the original short story said? "Well, the short story's name is Ennis del Mar, ergo, we should give preference to that name". Flyer22 Frozen and I explained to you 1323:

why we don't follow official names, we only follow what secondary English-language reliable sources say, yet you want me to "assume good faith" when I see two users deliberately skipping already-explained guidelines to promote the original spelling given by the creator in 1997. I'll tell you the same

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above.”). I am definitely not one of “those” requesting a name change since day 1, because, at the very beginning, I was only pointing the fact here that the accurate writing was Ennis del Mar, as per author, the NPOV indicates and command that when 2 versions exist you should consider both of them.

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may be appropriate. But we're not talking about changing the actual name of the character here, or using a nickname or alias or anything else. We're literally talking about using the spelling of the character's name as the creator of the charater intended. The only point of contention I see is that

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Why should the fact that reliable sources have potentially used an incorrect form of capitalization trump the capitalization used by the creator of the character? Why should the capitalization used by the creator of the character trump what reliable sources say? What make them incorrect? Was Annie

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Okay, let me ask bluntly: why should the fact that reliable sources have potentially used an incorrect form of capitalization trump the capitalization used by the creator of the character? If the best answer you can give is "that's the policy we have", then IMO that's no explanation at all. What's

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I tend towards agreeing with your assertion. A person's story told by themselves must be honored as doing less is profoundly disrespectful. A person's story told by another is valid only if based on observable and preferably verifiable behavior. Applying a label to another based on interpreting

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two people ? I did not write “and as a rule prepositions are lowercased” but this is a Spanish name. Proulx never wrote that. The difference between these 2 people is: there is someone who reads (books and good movies) and one who just stops on the first page of Google without thinking one second

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and even when one of these “original” characters shares a name with a character from the book (especially Irolas) the film name/character is taken as primary. I think it’s extremely unlikely we’d refer to the LOTR book character as Fredo Boggins if the movie renamed him, but I don’t think that’s

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consensus in this case. An unusual case all around with fairly strong supporting arguments, so there is no prejudice if the "no consensus" rule is invoked, and editors strengthen their rationales to try again in 3–6 months to achieve consensus for a page move to the lower case "del Mar" for this

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If the film uses Del Mar then it's entirely possible that many of the sources are using that version because they're discussing the film, without regard to how the character's name originally appeared. Of course, it is possible, and it is as possible as it is because Ennis is an English-language

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That seems a bit silly to me in the case of a fictional character name though. I think my earlier example was taken a bit too literally, but my point remains...should we really be naming an article about a fictional character by a name other than what the creator of the name used only because a

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IMO sexual orientation should reflect either self identification or dominant behavior. Both Ennis and Jack denied gay self identification in the film. The film portrays more women in Ennis' life and more men in Jack's life but neither makes an obvious dominant sexual behaviour choice as Ennis

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Is it reasonable to assume that the two most primary sources for his name would be the book and the movie? If so, are they consistent in their capitalization? If so...as a created character, why would their capitalization not trump that of secondary or tertiary sources? If a thousand websites

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I did see Arorae's edits on this matter and wondered if a move request would result. We should obviously go by WP:Common name. But how to apply that in this case is apparently the question. Still, WP:Common name states that Knowledge "generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as

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lol, so now you decide which "sites ... write incorrectly the lowcase" and we should only consider Proulx's capitalization to be the one and only valid usage. By the way I stopped at page one, but this continues over and over again with dozens of websites using Del, proving, once again

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If the capitalization never appears in the film itself, I would lean toward saying that the wording of the footnote should say that the capitalization is specifically from the film script, but I'm not sure whether we might need a source to make that assertion.

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character. If you search for Spanish-language sources, they all consistently call him "Ennis del Mar", because those are the Spanish naming conventions. However English naming conventions are different: they omit accents, they tend to capitalize on every word.

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different form of it is "more popular", so to speak? If the film uses Del Mar then it's entirely possible that many of the sources are using that version because they're discussing the film, without regard to how the character's name originally appeared.

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You do not understand what I mean. The sources ? which ones ? All the books on the novel (or almost) write del Mar. All the movie sites (or almost) write Del Mar. It is a novel before becoming a movie and in the movie you don’t write, you hear the name.

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Asking for a MOVE with an encyclopaedic and endless reason but, please DO NOT MOVE or CHANGE anything, is quite funny and illogical. It is clearly not a way to open discussion. An "edgy user" that is very very calm. And never afraid of…--

1426:, that's why I mentioned Homer Simpson and Penny Hofstadter. Both have a name other than what the creator of the name used because they are the "more popular" form. And Ennis's is not a different name, it is a different capitalization. 2040: 877: 544:. The current image differs from the prior (now deleted) image. The current image is derived from copyright holder's promotional materials and the image description is believed to be in compliance with current policy. 1646:

And you know what, I've asked enough times to open a RM discussion. I'll do it myself. There's no legitimate reasons to keep this MOS-related change to a limited discussion in a paged watched by no more than 30 people.

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is the right principle to apply here, but I don’t think that means following secondary sources instead of primary sources. Secondary sources about the movie will naturally use Del Mar; secondary sources about the

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If you remove Fictional gay men from their category sections, then you should remove Fictional bisexuals, seeing as neither claim to be bisexual, and just as many film critics have stated that they are gay.

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If a thousand websites misspell Hollywood as Hollywoo, I don't think we're going to update that article. Tricky, because you are trying to create controversy here. It's like if I tell you "Should we call

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See below the rare instance of an opposer who proposes a rename to garner consensus against it. I think that has not been achieved here locally; however, the community appears to have the floor with

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Should we really be naming an article about a fictional character by a name other than what the creator of the name used only because a different form of it is "more popular", so to speak? Yes, per

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Between this and your last response to me, I'm having a difficult time determining whether you're arguing in good faith at this point. Those two examples are not analogous to what we're discussing.

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So you're okay with me removing them from the Fictional bisexuals category, right? And letting the LGBT categorization stand as being what includes them as part of the gay (or bisexual) community?

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It is not Knowledge policy to put "the late" in front of the names of people who are no longer living. There are literally billions of such people, after all, and writing about "the late

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because she was born Beyonce? (see article's infobox) If so, why should we call her Beyoncé when she was born Beyonce?" These questions, although valid in spirit, are already solved by

2277:. I support changing the name of the article to "Ennis del Mar" because that is the author's original name of the character. I think that should be by far the primary consideration. 2030: 2220:. Furthermore typography of the movies doesn’t make the difference as they are very often not quite precise/accurate or irrelevant. Movies are made to be seen not to be read.- 2521: 670:" gets a bit ridiculous. In the case of this article in particular, it really isn't relevant to the character whether an actor who portrayed him is still alive or not. - 2082: 2516: 1910:– On the discussion immediately above, it was raised the question if the current name of the page is the correct one. This happened because of the original character at 147: 1507:

I set up two subsections below to facilitate people weighing in on the one they prefer, because all the dialogue above is getting pretty clunky and hard to sort out.

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If so...as a created character, why would their capitalization not trump that of secondary or tertiary sources? Primary sources cannot trump secondary sources, per

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The Irish word for "island" is "inis", pronounced rather like "insh" in English. I don't know what "Ennis" means, but it's not even close to the Irish "inis".

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The sources I mentioned above that I found on the very first Google page? It makes no sense to talk with you. If you want the article renamed create a

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After discussing the matter a bit with Paine, who I feel closed this in a more-than-reasonable manner if not quite satisfying me personally, I've

2076: 494: 278: 2089:, and a long etcetera. And I'm not lying, I merely cherrypicked sources typing: "ennis del mar" in Google. If you use the traditional Gsearch (" 2536: 2526: 1532:. It would be fine with me to add a line somewhere saying (if this is true) that in the script for the movie, the "d" in "Del" is capitalized. 521: 513: 509: 490: 2145:

the film apparently did capitalize the "D"...but the film also came later, and it's hard for me to believe that if the LotR films had changed

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afraid. Except for meeting people that did not accept any kind of discussion. And, I do not want to know if « edgy user » could be an insult.-

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Yes, you have my support to remove bisexual, I support the LGBT categorization and I'll help in the pursuit of additional proposals as well.

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to Fredo Boggins that we would have named the article thusly; it seems far more likely we would have redirected the latter to the former.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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Is it reasonable to assume that the two most primary sources for his name would be the book and the movie? Yes, it is. However, refer to

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All I am saying is that the "official" name of this character is "Ennis del Mar"; the common name used by sources is "Ennis Del Mar".

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users questioned the reliability of these sources, my question is, would you write an article about Ennis D/del exclusively using

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about the capitalization variance. I hope this will be considered a reasonable compromise but am happy to discuss other options.

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Included two sources, one for the short story that depicts the lc spelling and one for TV Guide that depicts the uc spelling.

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drifts towards asexual and Jack never leaves his wife. I'm removing Category:Fictional gay men pending futher discussion.

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In the strict sense "del" is just a Spanish preposition and as a rule prepositions are lowercased but in other cases, like

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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A number of sources begin blindly referring to something incorrectly doesn't mean we should simply follow suit. -: -->

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You ask too many questions for problems already solved in our guidelines, and I'll answer all of them accordingly:

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as «Ennis del Mar» in all editions of her novel. Translation has always considered this peculiarity. There is no

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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How can you say that “Ennis del Mar” is an “official name”? He is a fictional character that never existed.--

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watchers follow this page and … 8,837 people have viewed it recently. You are afraid to be alone, or what?-

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section above. Seems to me that the WP:Common name policy means the title should remain "Ennis Del Mar."

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But what's supposed to be the analogy here? Articles whose prepositions are uppercased. We have

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as you said : “it makes no sense to talk with you”. A perfect example of impossible Consensus.--

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misspell Hollywood as Hollywoo, I don't think we're going to update that article...

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was released. The character was renamed to "Ennis Del Mar" (see film credits

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If so, are they consistent in their capitalization? No, per the film credits.

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that it could be a misspelling of sites that write incorrectly the lowcase.--

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that has no 'validity'. I also find interesting that after I pointed out

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I don't think they'll answer, but if I were a member, I'd pointed out to

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but the typography of the films is done only to turn the scenes, not to

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the very poor quality of the typography in the script proves nothing.-

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Two people don't make a community consensus. Once again, use RM.

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List of original characters in The Lord of the Rings film series

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article title. Gentle reminder and caution that a bit more than

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I support you removing "the late" from this article.

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I add here a small comment of what written above by

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