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from Egypt. King Solomon built ships on the shore of the Sea of Sof, in the land of Edom at Etzion Gever, which is Eilat. King Azariya of Judah built the city of Eilat, and so on and so forth. However, the location of this place called Eilat or Etzion Gaver remained unclear. On the shore of the gulf, where the big shopping mall of Eilat is today, a small adobe hut stood. The hut served as a British police station called Umm Rashrash. “On the map,” Yeivin explained, “we see a place called Umm Rashrash and next to it the name Eilat. But Eilat was not here. Biblical and Roman Eilat were across the border in Jordan. The name Eilat should be erased from the map.”; “We cannot give up Eilat,” Press retorted, “when the real Eilat finally is in our hands, our settlement will expand and reach over to there.” David Amiran, the geographer, suggested that Eilat should be the name of the settlement that would be built on the shore of the gulf, which should be called the Gulf of Eilat. Ben-Zvi was for eliminating Umm Rashrash from the map together with Etzion Gaver. Eilat is Eilat, he said, musing that maybe the committee should call Umm Rashrash Etzion Gaver and establish Eilat elsewhere. The committee ultimately decided to replace the name Umm Rashrash with Eilat. Etzion Gaver was commemorated on the map by dubbing a well along the coast Be’er Etzion Gever. Today the well is buried under the artificial lagoon in Eilat.
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population (p31). Gil's source (Procopius) calls it Αἰλὰς (Aelas) and Αἰλᾶ (Aela). The meaning is that Aqaba had a Jewish population, not that there was some other city that archaeology is yet to discover. Of course a Jewish population should be mentioned, but in the article on the place where they lived, which was not here. Actually my translation of Procopius (Loeb Classical Library) disagrees with Gil on what Procopius wrote: "On this island Hebrews had lived from of old in autonomy, but in the reign of this Justinian they have become subject to the Romans." Gil's footnote confuses the issue further by identifying Eilat with Etzion Gaver, which is by no means accepted. There is a lot in Petersen "The Towns of Palestine Under Muslim Rule".
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Meerbusens in Augenschein nehmen. Eine gute halbe Stunde südöstlich von Akaba fand ich bei einer Excursion längs der Küste die Ruinen einer Verschanzung, Kasser Bedowi genannt; sie ist ein arabisches Gebäude, höchst wahrscheinlich vor Erbauung des Schlosses Akaba zur Vertheidigung der Pilgerkaravane bestimmt, die hier, nach Mekka ziehend, vorüber gehet. Von hier aus konnte ich einen grossen Theil der Ostküste des Meerbusens übersehen; in der Folge durchwanderte ich ganz speciell die westlichen Ufer desselben; nirgends bemerkte ich Buchten, vergleichbar mit denjenigen, welche man hier vermuthet. Eine von mir aufgenommene Karte des Golfs von Akaba in ziemlich grofsem Maassstab findet sich in Zach's Corresp. Astronomique Vol. VIII.
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with you. When IZAK disagrees with you, he tells you that you are an antisemite promoting your hateful agenda. Just try to ignore it. But please don't make assumptions about the pronounciation of modern Hebrew based on whatever you know about biblical Hebrew. These assumptions are evidently often wrong. The wikipedia notation for the name of a modern city should reflect the conventions used by people who live, work, visit and do business in that city, not the conventions of those who know the city only through ancient and historical texts. In all seriousness now: maybe you should try to learn some modern Hebrew? Take a class, listen to tapes, meet with some Israelis. It could only expand your linguistic abilities. --
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to spell its name like that, "Eilat" (again, try Google), so this is how Knowledge (XXG) should also spell it. It is unrelated to how the Jews spell the name (they usually do so in Hebrew characters anyway), and this whole issue has no religious relevance at all anyway. But Gilgamesh, by denying that this city (and other names of Hebrew origin) have common (not "linguistic") transliterations into English and trying to "invent" new (you think more accurate, modern pronunciation disagrees) ones, you sound like you're implying that these names are not commonly used by modern English speakers, and I think that this implication is what bothers Izak here.
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Israel convention. Eylat or Eylath are marginally more "scientific" transliterations of the Hebrew but are really never used. The use of the acute accent does not necessarily indicate stress, which would be incorrect for this word - it could simply indicate vowel quality and would be an accurate rendering into, say, French, of the Hebrew pronunciation, where the i or y sound is barely audible. It is, however, not used by Survey of Israel. Some of the previous contributors need to calm down, and the discussion is going off topic. NGH.
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term for individual agreements between the various parties. As I understand it, none of them grant anyone any territory. They are Armistice agreements. They determine ceasefire lines. They are not treaties. I believe this particular one falls under the agreement between Egypt and israel. This would be the Rhodes Egypt-israel Armistice agreement. The text of this agreement clearly says it doesn't establish any political or territorial boundaries. Would anybody like to make any counter-arguments?
200: 5212:) only mentions the Turks stationing some soldiers there during the British-Ottoman border conflict of 1906, but his paper isn't concerned with the following years up to British occupation, 1906-1917, leaving open the possibility not of an Egyptian, but a Turkish garrison of some kind. Taba was Egyptian/British, Aqaba Ottoman, and the demarcation line agreed upon in 1906 started immediately west of Umm Rashrash. Sorry, no time now to dig any deeper re. Umm Rashrash in 1906-1917. 4122:
der Folge direkte Bestätigung erhielt. Das trockene Strombette des Wadi Araba trennt diese Ruinen von den Trümmern einer weit moderneren Ansiedelung, die unter Dattelpalmen zerstreuet liegen. Es sind niedere Mauern von rohen Steinen mit Lehm verbunden. Einige derselben dienen periodisch den Beduinen des Araberstammes Hamaran zur Wohnstätte. Ganz in der Nähe, nach Osten zu, liegt, an Dat telpflanzungen angelehnt, das Schlofs Akaba.
1369:. This is the perfect place to keep the accurate spelling, with a dot over the I, and yet Knowledge (XXG) didn't. Because this is an English Knowledge (XXG) and not a Turkish one, and English writes don't know what this dot means and never write it. The article also gives the accurate Turkish spelling, but it admits that the modern, actually used, spelling is the simplified one without any diacritics, dots and accents. See also 564: 1030: 251: 233: 451: 430: 942: 346: 921: 325: 461: 5292: 4985: 4827: 4744: 4416: 4267: 952: 356: 3463: 2341:
The government attempted to outflank their opponents by adopting the position that Umm Rashrash actually belonged to the Palestinians (and so was not their problem). Committees were struck; experts consulted. Much noise and heat followed, and finally the government sawed the baby in half and adopted the compromise position that Eilat belonged formally to Egypt, but that
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some point soon, but I don't have any preference for one thing or the other, except for just trying to bring the article's format up to the guidelines for cities, and to neutralize the tone (which you've done with the tourism section, well done on that Gil!) So feel free to make any changes you like, and if you need formatting help let me know :)
1348:(Another response.) IZAK, I do not appreciate "Gilgamesh is at it again." It is quite pejorative, implying that I am somehow being vandalous. You are perfectly free to disagree with my approach to edits, but please stick to politely critiquing me and respect me as an editor in my fields, just as I respect your vast knowledge of the Torah. - 5342: 4712: 3849:'s day, and before A. D. 1800, it was already deserted; for this writer expressly says of Ailah: “In our day it is a fortress, to which a governor is sent from Egypt. It had a small castle in the sea; but this is now abandoned, and the governor removed to the fortress on the shore.” Such as Ailah was in the days of Abulfeda, is 'Akabah now." 4317: 4134:
fischreich, besäet mit Korallenstämmen, und wird sonst noch durch eine grosse Mannichfaltigkeit von Seegeschöpfen belebt; unter andern fiel mir das Farbenspiel einer Korallenart *) auf, die, so lange sie, von ihren Polypen belebt, unter Wasser ist, sehr schön rosenroth erscheint; aus dem Meere genommen ist sie von schmutzig gelber Farbe
1892:, etc. Images are used to illustrate the topic, and I don't think that the city's crest does that for someone coming to the page who is unfamiliar with the city. In the vast majority of all city articles, worldwide, an image of the city's landscape is shown for this reason. For the guideline on layout of sections, refer to 4121:
In östlicher Richtung verfolgte unser Weg während einer Stunde die Küste des Meeres, welche hier ein salziger Sumpf bildet; dann erreichten wir die Stätte einer alten Ansiedelung, erkenntlich durch mehrere grosse Schutthaufen, vermuthlich Ueberbleibsel des alterthümlichen Ailat, worüber ich selbst in
3557:
A Jewish city with the same name existed in the same general area (and were it not for the border that exists today between Israel and Jordan I don't think that it'd be too controversial). The sources say Eilat but at the bare minimum something about this history should be mentioned in the article on
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be denied entry into Israel until Egypt formally renounced its claim to Eilat. It was, on all sides, as dreary a dog-and-pony show as might be imagined, one which every side used either to excite its base or deflect criticism, and was suffused throughout with more than a faint air of the ludicrous.
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article. I'm not sure this article has enough information to really fill that infobox out (demographics, mostly). As mentioned, mostly I'm just involved in the cosmetic aspects, and not so much the content, and I'll be going through the article to put all the references into standardized templates at
1977:
Yes, I noticed that. Generally the "See also" section is for related articles that provide relevant information not included in the article, and not previously wiki-linked. So those that are redundant could be removed from the section. As for infoboxes, it appears that this infobox is used in all but
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into the "go" box. The backticks (`) are indeed accepted transliterations of ayin, though, so I don't know if to suggest to remove it or not. I don't understand the accent-circumflex on the o though. In French, the accent-circumflex suggests that a letter has been lost, and this is not the case here.
1173:
Excuse me, but why the silly accent on the E in "Eilat"? Hebrew does not use latin characters, so this accent does not come "from the original Hebrew". So the title of the article should the name of the city in English or as would be typically written by English speakers. And that is "Eilat", without
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So, the article as it is now, makes an unsourced claim that the '49 AA "granted" Eilat to israel. To be blunt, this seems to be obviously false. This statement is unsourced. All evidence I've seen is that even the idea of this would violate the '49AA. As I understand it, the '49AA is an umbrella
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That said, a little over two years ago there was a brief kerfuffle in the Egyptian parliament over the status of Eilat. Opposition members attempted to take the government to task over Eilat, producing a 1906 document stating, in the name of the Ottoman Sultan, that Umm Rashrash belonged to Egypt.
2026:
Quite true. It isn't as though the list is so long it is distracting. Perhaps some of the items could be removed, like the airports, but I don't consider it to be a big issue, personally. Glad to see so many folks coming in to help with the article! I think we were all united by dear Shir-El Too, so
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he's just blowing smoke, but it's also like he's contempting my right to exist in his universe. It may seem hard to understand, but... I can easily deal with mere immaturity and empty insults — I shrug them off and do what I can to embrace friendship and peace. But contempt — particularly when it
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Gilgamesh, just a reminder: YOU are not "in charge" of the Hebrew language. There are millions of Jewish Hebrew speakers with Hebrew as their first language, and familiar with English too, who have a better sense of the best way to present Hebrew words to the world at large... Find a different hobby
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Thank you. So no village, not in 48 once the British withdrew. Eilat started from scratch. All the area's history goes to Ailana/'Ayla/Aqabat 'Ayla/Aqaba + a few tells and the island, with some lesser findings at Eilat (Neolithic and Umayyad). Remains to clarify why some speak of Umm Rashrash as an
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that should be avoided in articles. I've also done some work with re-ordering the sections, moving the history up, moving the huge panoramic image down to the very bottom, and I removed the gallery and placed the images into the article. Now, I have a request: There is a news report that was in the
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Here's another tip, Gilgamesh: don't let yourself get antagonised by IZAK's comments. You should have read enough of them by now to realise that this is how he expresses himself in arguments, it doesn't look like he'll be changing his style soon. When I disagree with you, I tell you that I disagree
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city, you need to take into account the current accepted usage of its name in English texts, not just historical notions of what it might have been called 2,000 or whatever years ago. Eilat is a popular (to some degree) tourist attraction, frequented also by English-speaking tourists, and they tend
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Um Rashrash is shown correctly in the sketch map above. I based it on a 1:25K map from 1943. There was a road along the flat top of the Gulf continuing ENE in the direction of Suez, and another road running down the east coast of the gulf. The police post was on the latter road about 200m south of
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In der Gegend von Akaba gibt es auch nicht ein Fahrzeug; die Araber bedienen sich einiger zusammengebundener Palmbaumstämme, um auf den Fischfang auszufahren. Es war mir daher nicht möglich, über die Tiefe des Meeres oder über die Art der Bodenfläche Forschungen anzustellen. Die Küste ist übrigens
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to contempt, because contempt is a lot more real and more serious than mere unkind words. I would really prefer IZAK not to be contemptuous of me at all, so that we could collaborate professionally without mudslinging, the way you and I and others collaborate. That would be absolutely fantastic,
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our discussion. Nyh made a good point, and I wouldn't contest such a revert now. And as this seems to be a more complex sign of difference between Ancient and Modern forms of the languages (before, people had always told me they were the same language with negligible grammatical differences), it
4854:
Please remove the last sentence in the modern city part of the history section reading "It was formally granted to Israel in the 1949 Armistice Agreements.". The armistice agreements established armistice lines, it didn't grant any territory. Per the Rhodes armistice agreement between Egypt and
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Selbst Burckhardt, der einen Theil der hiesigen Gegend bereiste, war der Meinung, das Meer von Akaba bilde hier zwei Busen. Aber dieses ist ganz irrig; hier will Niemand etwas von solch einer Gestaltung wissen, Diese Auskunft war mir nicht genügend; ich wollte selbst etwas von der Ostküste dieses
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Ein regelmässiges Viereck von wohlerhaltenen Mauern, mit achtseitigen Thürmen auf den vier Winkeln, bildet diese Feste; sie liegt einige hundert Schritte vom Meeresufer entfernt. Der Pascha von Egypten unterhält hier eine Besatzung von vierzig Soldaten." Der Thorweg ist. noch besonders durch zwei
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Looking at one of the main sources (Gil), it is clear that Gil uses the spelling "Eilat" when discussing "Ayla/Aila", which was the name of Aqaba during the period of Gil's study. He does that even when citing Arabic sources, and says as much in the sentence previous to the one cited for a Jewish
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The issue of Eilat took up another chunk of the committee’s time. In 1949, Eilat did not exist. The city was founded only in 1952. But a place by the name of Eilat appears time and again in the biblical record. It was one of the stations in the wanderings of the people of Israel during the exodus
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The source "Michael Rice(1990). Egypt's Making. Routledge", without page number, is given for "Eilat is mentioned in antiquity as a major trading partner with Elim, Thebes' Red Sea Port, as early as the Twelfth dynasty of Egypt." I cannot find anything about Eilat (or Aila, or other spelling) in
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I've done some major layout changes, reduced the number of pictures (this article has always been top-heavy) and generally tried to streamline it. Someone also left an archeological reference to a discovery made (no date) between Eilat and Aqaba with a Biblical reference, but without a source. If
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Actually my father chose the spelling "Eylath" as the transliteration of our family name. Unfortunately it works only in non-Englosh Speaking Europe, where it is always pronocuced correctly. In English speaking countries, it is a disaster, usually pronocunced Eye-lath or Elie-ath, with man more
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The transliteration of the Hebrew spelling as used by the Survey of Israel (HaMerkaz leMippui Yisrael, formerly Agaf haMedidot) maps for many years has been Elat. The English conventional spelling is Eilat, as is found in numerous holiday brochures. This was also the earlier (1960s ?) Survey of
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Neither of these terms have a "usual" English transliteration, so the problem here is much less accute than it is in articles about modern cities or regions. I do agree though that these transliterations are strange in that there is no way that anyone is ever going to guess them and type "`Elyôn"
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Ruppell's map shows "Gebel Gatal Mahamar", and his text above "Gebel Mahemar". My guess is that this is now called "Mount Solomon", presumably so named by the Negev Naming Committee. I have googled "Mahamar" and "Mahemar" but no luck. Any idea on where we could source this would be appreciated.
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Oh, alright, you mean inside the infobox? Apologies that I did not understand that's what you meant. This particular infobox only has parameters for one image, I have yet to see two images used in this particular infobox. The option would be to change to a more generic infobox, if you think that
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Um, it's most certainly on the last syllable in Israeli Hebrew, I'm not quite sure about Tiberian (is it relevant in a discussion of modern Israeli realitiy anyway?) I removed the accent in Eilat, but not in Negev. In the latter case the stress is marked correctly; the big question is whether we
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You can see that the city is 84,729 metric dunams, of which 73,868 dunams (87.1%) is empty space and the other land use is divided into residential (3,819 dunams), education (156), health (36), public services (215), culture and leisure (617), commerce (75), industry and infrastructure (4,724),
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Wir gebrauchten über fünf Stunden Zeit für den Weg von dieser Hochebene nach dem Meeresufer, wegen der vielfachen Windungen zwischen wilden Massen von Porphyrfels. An den gefahrvollen Stellen ist der Weg in die Felsmasse bei dreissig Fuss breit ausgehauen. Auch hier verewigt eine Inschrift die
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So what was there? If the 50 refers to the Mandate police squad as of Jan-May 48, it's clear. If it's Bedouin counted at the last census (none in 48), still not a village there. Even Aqaba was rather tiny at the time, so maybe it was just an old gathering point for Hajj pilgrims (google for
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and look at the top, that's the way the infobox (and all of the city/location infoboxes) have them formatted. If it is a big deal, it could be taken out completely until the donation box is gone, but that removes the ability to click on the coords and locate them with the various tools. See
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The story is more complex and it should be expanded on. Note that Eilat is close to both the Egyptian and Jordanian frontiers. The Israel-Egypt armistice was signed on February 14, Israel "took" Umm Rashrash on March 10, and the Israel-Transjordan armistice was signed on April 3. Since the
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Man versicherte mir zu Akaba, dass in den ostlich gelegenen Gebirgen sich sehr schöne, gans vorzüglich gut erhaltene Ruinen von Gebäuden besänden; aber der wilde and unwirthbare Charakter der Einwohner macht das Besichtigen derselben so zu sagen unmöglich. Man rühmte mir ganz besonders die
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article, after this discussion of the Negev and Eilat was already ongoing :( Gilgamesh, why do you insist on modifying spellings of modern Israeli places, when all the Israelis disagree with the way you write them and believe that your changes are harming the usefulness of the articles? In
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do not have "exclusive" rights to their own language! That is perhaps why he persists in creating havoc with Hebrew names whenever he finds them, regardless of the naming conventions that are accepted and used by the whole world such as with "Eilat". See for example my debates with him at:
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Auf meine Nachfragen nach dem Namen des Distrikts, wo die eben angeführten Schutthaufen sich vorsinden, berichtete man mir, dass er Gelena heisse; vermuthlich lag hier einstens Eilat. Ost durchstreiste ich den Bezirk dieser Trümmer in verschiedenen Richtungen, aber nie stiess ich auf eine
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In the quote above, Press was wrong, as his irredentist dreams did not materialize. We can should explain why they called this patch of land Eilat, as part of the Negev Naming Committee, and consistent with Biblical Nationalism. But it is not acceptable to co-opt Jordanian history here.
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thurmförmige Bollwerke vertheidiget. In der Thorhalle sind viele arabische Inschriften ausgehauen. Meine geringen Kenntnisse in der arabischen Sprache, und die Verzierungen, womit die einzelnen Buchstaben verunstaltet sind, yerhinderten mich, eine brauchbare Abschrift davon zu nehmen.
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israel, "The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary, and is delineated without prejudice to rights, claims and positions of either Party to the Armistice as regards ultimate "settlement of the Palestine question"."
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In other cities' histories, a statement of this little significance would not be included. In fact, likely almost no one would be aware of it. It's inclusion is likely the result of rather obsessive anti-Israel activists hunting down obscure negative material and promoting it.
3692:, for which the Survey of Palestine was prepared, show a curved boundary reaching the gulf further to the west, not far from Um Rashrash. However the 1:250K map in the SofP shows this straight section labeled "Demarcated in 1946". I'm thinking that Biger's source might be 2140:
interfere. (If it does interfere, that's an issue with the donation box coding itself, and not with the article or the coordinates template). Additionally, putting them into the infobox would still make them show up at the top, since that's the function of the system. See
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a lot! I'm working on Timna (which I've always written as "Timmna" btw) , and more weather info, because unfortunately Eilat's "dry" climate is in the past; for the last 20+ years humidity has been steadily rising and it has been +/-50% relative and more for over 2 years.
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Ahh, well as mentioned, I'm unfamiliar with the city, so at first glance, the airports were covered in the article, and linked, so they just seemed superfluous to link in the "See also" section. As I said, I don't think it is a huge deal, so I've no real opinion on it ;)
1394:, which are not the native names. I had gotten the impression that Eilat was more obscure because I keep seeing "Eilat", "Elat" and "Elath" as variant spellings on search engines. I also was always taught that Eilat was obscure compared to its much more famous neighbor 4144:
bemerkenswerthe Ruine; ich nehme davon ans einen schön quadrirten weissen Marmorblock, circa drei Schuh lang; er ist erst seit wenig Jahren zu Tage gekommen, als die Bewohner ein altes Bad (Grab?) ausgruben, in dessen Wanne (Sarkophag?) sich mehrere Goldmünzen vorfanden.
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Just letting you guys know that I changed Négev to Negev. It's the common Latin transliteration, and since the stress isn't marked in Hebrew, it doesn't need to be in English. Besides, the acute accent was unclear; the first pronunciation that it suggested to me was
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In 1116, Crusader forces captured Eilat. After Muslim forces retook it, Saladin had a fortress built there to guarantee safe passage for pilgrims en route to Mecca. After 1588, Eilat was all but abandoned following the construction of a new Ottoman fortress east of
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Rüppell, Eduard, 1823, ‘Itinéraire de M. Edouard Rüppell, traversant l’Arabie Pétrée depuis Suez jusqu’à Akaba et de la retour à’ Suez par le mont Sinai; pour l’explication de la carte spéciale de cette peninsula jointe à ce cahir’, Journal des Voyages 19, 44–53.
2011:
Hi: About the function of "See also" it's not a hard and fast rule, as sometimes it can be a way of summarizing the connecting articles too, and quite often articles in the "See also" section were not openly evident having been covered up by other wording, see
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I don't object in principle, but there's one problem: the article Aqaba has absolutely no information on the Israelite period. Since this article isn't a closed garden, I think the information should be moved to the article Aqaba before removing it from here.
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The statement "one committee member, Yeshayahu Press, justified the co-opting of the name by stating "when the real Eilat finally is in our hands, our settlement will expand and reach over to there." is prejudicial in nature and should be removed because:
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legend about old woman - 'umm' - treating their feet by strewing - 'rash' - herbs powder on them), or a spot fishermen bothered naming. Or maybe there had once been a village there, unlikely as it is for the area, who knows. That's the point: who knows?
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Non-extended-confirmed editors may not create new articles, but administrators may exercise discretion when deciding how to enforce this remedy on article creations. Deletion of new articles created by non-extended-confirmed editors is permitted but not
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Does the Sinai mountain range extend into Eilat? I am not speaking of the political "Sinai" mountain range but the physical, geographical mountain range. Looking at the map it seems decidedly so, except I can find no reference concerning this anywhere.
2567:—not sure how an RfC applies here. RfCs should only be conducted after discussion on the article's talk page failed (either because of a dispute or due to not enough input). Zero0000 essentially solved the problem by removing the problematic sentence. — 4227:, interesting thank you. I presume those maps don’t give a name for the mountain peak immediately west of Umm Rashrash? I didn’t realize there were SoP / military maps of the area – I just looked again and couldn’t find them in the batch on commons. 2229:
Hi all, it seems to me that this page is a bit poor: there is more than a thousand year of history of this city missing. Maybe it was razed in the past and then rebuilt with the foundation of Israel? Or maybe someone more acknowledged can help.
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Oh please, not again, Gilgamesh. Can't you PLEASE leave well enough alone? Eilat. Givatayim. That's what they're called in the press, and in tourist guides, and in signs all over Israel. Why complicate life with obscure apostrophes and stresses?
3845:"In A. D. 1116, King Baldwin I. of Jerusalem, with two hundred followers, made an excursion to the Red Sea; took possession of Ailah, which he found deserted... It was again wrested from the hands of the Christians by Saladin in A.D. 1167... In 718: 4069:
Thank you. This seems to tie with the Rough Guide's statement that "Saladin had a fortress built there to guarantee safe passage for pilgrims en route to Mecca" - I don't think any other castle in the area could have been built by Saladin?
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or the Pharaohs - no. There was a discussion about it in the Egyptian parliament a few years ago, and they had to let go of it. Too many resurrections needed, even for a place like the Holy Land. RIP - Khedives, Baybars, Ramses & Co.
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It was a police post and the population would have included the families of the policemen. Since some of the police were local bedouin, it wouldn't take many families to get up to 50. I don't know of a very good source for population.
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do have a lot of subtle irregular mutual differences that creep up on me all the time, so a confusion like this is an easy mistake to make. For the most prominent example I've seen of the differences, see the names for the vowels in
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Stifter dieses mühsamen Werks, das gewiss jährlich recht oft von frommen Pilgern auf der Wallfahrt nach Mekka gepriesen wird. Dieser Gebirgsabfall heisst Gebel Mahemar; die Gegend jenseits des Thales benannte man mir Gebel Arab.
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to section above dealing with the Arab-Israeli conflict? It doesn't belong in section of "Future development plans", since it's not a "development plan" for the future, but a recent unfortunate event related to the conflict.
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that book. I searched on Google books and at Amazon, and I also looked through the index. Unless someone can identify a source for this explicitly, it has to go. Actually a rewrite of the history section is overdue.
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fixes, etc., but there will be others working on content. What content work I'll be doing today is to remove the promotional-tone of the Tourism section, as each item is written as a mini-advertisement, and needs to be
1364:
In names that have modern importance, not just historical importance, English spelling is almost always a simplified transliteration and not a 100% accurate (and that is also a questionable notion) one. See for example
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the junction. Earlier maps (like two military maps I have from 1915) show it a few hundred meters north, on the north side of the ENE road, but still close to the northern-most shore of the Gulf. I wonder if it moved.
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This section contains some unsubstantiated, controversial content about a mass grave found in 2008. It also has some issues with grammar and flow. I'm no expert in this area, I'd be glad if others could help fix this.
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two of the cities in the template box at the bottom, so it would appear to be the current standard for Israel's South District. I kind of like the clean look of it, but the other infobox would be the one found in the
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This is true. Eilat was an ancient city and it's a modern city. When the city was founded in modern times by Israel, there was nothing but sand AFAIK. There was an Egyptian police station of Um Rash Rash I believe.
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I found a very good source with several pages of history of this region. Mostly it is referred to Aqaba, since Aqaba is considered to be the continuation of the ancient city. So I will work on it there first.
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standard. What I think is holding it back is the citations and references of the article. I really think that once these are added the article should be submitted as a GA candidate. Just to let you know, the
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I'm not sure whether the history of ancient Elath belongs to this article, as they two are unrelated except by name (the location is close, but not precise). For example, I have not including the history of
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Operation Uvda reached an abandoned former British police station made up of 5 adobe huts with a flag pole in front of one (the commander's, most certainly). So the common description goes. So no village.
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None of it had any real consequence, but if somebody wants to research the controversy and add a brief mention of it in the body of the article, I see no reason for objection -- provided the addition is
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User has removed the discussion from their talk page, so I will sum it up here. The user felt that there was no need for Arabic because "Eilat Is irasel's city" and called it "potentially misleading".
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or other places in Jordan that are not part of modern Eilat. This is really quite misleading and unacceptable. The settlement was at Aqaba in the Roman, Byzantine, and Islamic periods. Not here.
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It's up to you. I don't know much about the infoboxes. On another subject, someone just added a long list of "also sees" - but most of them are already linked in the article and are not needed.--
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Hey, I can't tell at a glance if thetorah.com is a reliable source. Have the bylined authors published this material in an academic journal or similar? If so, it would be better to cite that...
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I looked into this, and in most of the cities, a high quality landscape photo is shown, to illustrate the city. The crest doesn't sufficiently illustrate the city, so that's why I moved it. See
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from the news URL, of course) into the end of the history section, and at the end of the sentences to reference the information, immediately following the period, put <ref name="jpost" /: -->
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Even in the neighboring regions of Akaba Bay, subzero temperatures can be observed in winter. Even in Florida, freezing temperatures can be observed. Don't you think this is silly propaganda?
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Hi Ariel: Thanks for the kind words. Why remove the links to the airports of all things?, they are the crucial keys to the over one million tourists who come to Eilat each year, and growing!
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Separately, I assume that Umm RashRash was at the point where the two roads meet, between Gebel Mahemar and the marshland. A source which confirms this would be valuable for this article.
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is determined to rewrite this article's lede to identify Eilat as an occupied city. He or she should know that this change will be reverted as many times as it is made, because there is
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any foreign-looking accent mark. Compare Tel-Aviv (not Tel-'abib or who knows what), Haifa (not Khefa, Cheifa, or whatever). I believe this article should be renamed Eilat, unaccented.
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Well, the donation box will be gone soon, it is a temporary thing. The function of the coordinate system has them at the upper right corner, and users can hide the donation box, so it
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Yes, it is much smaller than that. From measuring it on Google Earth, I guess it is 3 square miles at most. Perhaps the 32 refers to the district. For now I am just taking it out.
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You can buy it from amazon.com for a mere $ 3,920.38. I once got a different Archive Editions series on interlibrary loan. Despite the $ X,000 price the maps were not even in color.
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Meanwhile, holidaymakers in Eilat seemed blissfully unaware of the tussles over sovereignty that were catapulting them back and forth between opposite sides of an imagined frontier.
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as far as i know, the city was known as "umm rash rash" (and was inhabited by palestinians) before 1948 and the nakba. a fact that has to be concealed, i see. awesome article. --
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If we do it for names from other languages in article texts (Arabic, French, Hawaiian, Japanese), why not here? :) It's always nice to have a bit more detail. When in doubt, I
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It is absolutely correct, although 32 miles is a little off because we use the metric system. Here is a source, assuming that there were no jurisdiction changes since 2005:
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Could someone please move the coordinates back into the infobox? They are unreadable under the donation drive blurb, and I've seen it done this way elsewhere. Thank you,
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I have already agreed to readdress Modern Hebrew before I try to make more logic leaps. In honesty, I may decide to give up Modern Hebrew edits if I keep running into
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can't be accepted as a source, I'm not sure you are correct. Ellenblum's book "Crusader Castles and Modern Histories" lists two relevant "towers or castles". One is
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ST Parker, Preliminary Report on the 1994 Season of the Roman Aqaba Project, Bulletin of the American Schools of Oriental Research, No. 305 (Feb., 1997), pp. 19-44.
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The infobox says Eilat is 32 square miles in size. That would make it larger in area than Tel Aviv, Haifa, and Beersheba if true. Can someone please double-check?--
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And it is also irrelevant and false. Until very recent urban spread, the distance was much greater than 2km. Putting history in the wrong place is unacceptable.
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And how about "Eilat is first mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in the Book of Exodus." I don't think so! It is in Deut 2, and 2 Kings (twice). Anyone disagree?
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But let's keep arguments about "Jews" and "their own language" away from the current discussion. I don't think this is the case here. When discussing a thriving
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Gilgamesh is determined to remove the Hebrew language from its normal rational historical moorings under cover of "scholarly" arguments, as he believes that the
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I would say that the section mentioned above is poorly sourced and needs a major rewrite. So I agree with Oreo Priest that it is a request for contribution.--
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Egypt-Israel armistice line had already been decided, the purpose of the March 10 action was to establish facts on the ground with respect to Transjordan.
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I wish if could read how many areas have been reforested with trees or palm trees, and how many places with vegetation or wildlife someone can to visite.
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as these are irregular stress differences between Biblical and Israeli Hebrew. I will not tolerate allegations of "butchery" in this academic setting. -
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I didn't say INSTEAD of the photo, but under it. Personally, I don't think it adds much either, but I see that it is done on many Israel city pages.--
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There are international fights there, for several years now, specially from western Europe, but also from the US and sometimes even from Far East.
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belonged properly to the Palestinians. In the sequel, voices in certain quarters in Israel were raised to demand that Egyptian foreign minister
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It's almost as if accounts on this site are being very disingenuous as to the history of Eilat and how it came to now somehow, be inside Israel?
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external links, that I've added to the article, which talks about the history of Eilat with regards to Egypt's claim of it. The article is found
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Israel's official languages are Hebrew and Arabic. All cities have names in both languages and all articles on Knowledge (XXG) mention both.
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Not sure what any of this discussion is about, but in case someone else hasn't mentioned it Israelis pronounce "Eilat" with the stress on the
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A few of us are going to be working on the article to improve it. I'll mainly be doing some cosmetic and behind the scenes work, formatting,
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Jordan was in a state of war against Israel, and had made a major effort to destroy Israel in the preceding year's 1948 War of Independence.
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right. there is almost nothing about the history between ancient times and 1947/48, as if the town hadn't existed in these centuries! --
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is Gilgameshe's latest "victim". And I believe not only is the stress mark not useful in the article name, worse - it is again in the
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In most Israeli city articles, the emblem of the city appears under the photo in the infobox. Does anyone know how to put it there?--
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It really hadn't existed in these centuries.Great article improvement btw. Looks great. One of Israel's most awesome cities. Cheers,
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thanks for your suggestion. Quotations are usually made by a single person, and the author and context is clear from the sentence.
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I didn't find a map with a named peak in that location. I also wonder about Rüppell's scale. I'll send you some maps later today.
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I really didn't realize Eilat was that famous. I suppose I can understand putting an article name under a common name, such as
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transportation (56), agricultural structures (163), public space (952), forestry (47), orchards (7) and plowed fields (52). —
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I'm pretty sure this town used to be in Egypt? Isn't that funny, there's absolutely no mention of it in this article? Hmmmm
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I'm not sure wish picture you refer to. Also, depending on the prominence of the picture you'd like changed, it may require
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So accurately mentioning that there was a subtantial historical Jewish population in the area is "Zionist propaganda" now?
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ausgedehnten und prachtvollen Colonnaden von Araba (Petra?) welches nar anderthalb Tagemärsche von Akaba entfernt liegt.
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estimate reports with the last one being published in Feb. 2023, where Eilat's population was estimated to be 53,216.
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I've removed it. Unsourced since 2018. Onus is on those wishing to retain challenged material to provide citations. ♠
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That paragraph seems to me mostly copied from other places and contains strange non-sequitors. It needs rewriting.
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My English is not good enough for the English Knowledge (XXG), so I'd be greatfull for whoever updates the article.
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http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/06/01/enemy_sudanese_refugees_in_israel_face_uncertainty/
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exists where I must continually witness it again and again — is something that feels very sharp, very cold, very
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Per Zero's comment above, p.4 and p.929 (index) of Gil are clear that his references to "Eilat" are actually to
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thanks to her for putting the focus on this interesting place, and for her dedication to improving the article!
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Just a simple edit for a Citation to be added for the citation needed tag with regards to mining operations in
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Subzero temperatures can be observed every few years. It is deadly for tropical plants such as coconut trees.
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it is a part of Aqaba area of Jordan and it was abandoned exept a police station of Desert force.
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The article tells that the mayor of Eilat is Meir Yitzhak Halevi, who has served as mayor until
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but it is hard to find space. Maybe we don't need photos of the airport and the IMAX theater?
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that person comes back with the missing information I'll be happy to edit the English. Cheers!
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On the basis of this, the whole “ancient city” section should be removed and put into either
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I wish there was more about the history of this city. Anybody who knows more, please share.
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that made you feel cold even on a warm day, and was old healed by having the dead flesh
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Consensus on if 1949 Armistice Agreement established Armistice lines influence on Eilat
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When he will stop his useless and confusing tamperings with Hebrew is anyone's guess.
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Lol, I think wikipedia should aim a bit higher than to parrot zionist propagandist,
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an excellent read here which would be worth adding to this article, as well as to
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It was a police post on the Palestinian side of the Palestine-Transjordan border.
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particular, I still don't understand the stress thing, which has no place in an
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Pringle's "Secular buildings in the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem" says of
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simply quietly correct my mistakes and explain the error while you do it.
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A good question. The maps of the southern Negev which are included in the
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butcheries. "Eilat" works best for English, from my experience. AAE
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Yoram Tsafrir, Leah Di Segni and Judith Green (1994).
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