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Simonetti case is still used as an example of employee-employer blogging problems, and (if I remember correctly) this story is related to the rise in a blogger's code of conduct. IMHO Sagan2000's edits do not appear to be particularly constructive.
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correcting attention from time-to-time. I can't say I disagree with that, but it does mean that pages like this require some regular attention. Left on its own, I suspect this page would drift off into madness again... It would be helpful, I believe, to protect against editing by generic IP addresses - some of the edits may well be in good faith (I suspect that 70.174.183.163 firmly believes the law suit was dropped), but it is hard to deal with people who pop up on arbitrary IP addresses and refuse to discuss matters on the talk pages; its the whack-a-mole syndrome.
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NEVER progressed to an adversarial case, nor was it a "transfer" of her
Georgia case. DAL is out of bankruptcy and her case is deader than Generalissimo Francisco Franco. Please learn something about bankruptcy court before you go making incorrect claims. Knowledge (XXG) is already dubious enough as an inaccurate source.
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District Coirt and SDNY Bankruptcy Court. Her Ga case was dismissed because DAL Inc. filed BK. She filed a "proof of claim" in the SDNY which
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