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1357:. You're giving it far, far too much weight. With that section added, half of the article is a about student erotica, which is far, far too much, as student erotica is not that important in terms of erotica. If you really want, you can probably make a seperate article, and link to it in the see-also, though I'm not sure if it's notable enough for inclusion there. Additionally, your idea that articles grow inside other articles before being moved off into others, which you keep mentioning, is wrong. I'm not sure where you got that idea, but very few articles start that way, and those that do happen because the original article was far too long and some of the sections were split off. Most articles start as stubs, not in other articles, ok? 875:, actually: the former being defined generally as "material intended to provoke sexual stimulation", the latter, "stories inclusive of sexual themes, where sexuality is secondary to a major plot". Also, "pornography" in many legal circles is defined as that which is dehumanizing or degrading. To claim that the only opponents of porn are religiously-motivated, or that their morals are "old-fashioned" is wholly ignorant of a significant portion of its objectors, whose repulsion stems from progressive, humanitarian values and advocacy of what they feel are more honest, respectful depictions of sexuality unhampered by themes of degradation and conformity to a caricature-esque paradigm. 1977: 354: 327: 364: 2246:"Aesthetically beautiful" has found its way into the lead section. Whilst some subjects depicted are certainly "aesthetically beautiful", I would disagree that it's a pre-requisite or even the 'norm'. In fact in some genres beauty is drawback. Beauty and erotic are two distinct concepts, sometimes they overlap, often they don't. The term is also subjective; of the 3 illustrations on the page two are defiantly not beautiful in my opinion. -- 2396:

article appear to be of the opinion that the two are distinct and that those who disagree are making a mistake. A Google search on the subject brings up many articles saying the two are distinct, but I can't spot any articles claiming they are the same. What would be useful are sources which say that they are indistinguishable or that erotica is, for example, a specific type of pornography (or vice versa). Do you know of any such sources?

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the section (and the article in general) is wholly unreferenced, meaning that the section is simply the exposition of some editor's point of view on the topic. The section needs to be rewritten to be based on actual citable sources on this debate (this shouldn't be hard – there's been a great deal written over the last 40 or so years on this topic) and should be a balanced presentation on all major points of view on this topic.

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sometimes not, but mere exaggeration or role performance does not make something degrading or dehumanizing -- these are ideology-based judgments more than they are facts. An honest approach would be to identify and remedy individual cases of degradation or dehumanization, whether of a sexual nature or not, rather than try to use the legal system to block imagery that one finds distasteful. --

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percentages makes no sense whatsoever; it is badly explained and, since the link is broken, there is no way to fix it. The definition of pornography as dealing specifically and exclusively with "group and homosexual intercourse, scenes of sexual violence, and/or sexual perversions" does not reflect any sort of widespread consensus. UranianPoet 08:22, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

546: 490: 704:: It would be fine to include a short description of Erotica Art on the Erotica page, however, merging them would be a mistake, as erotica art is part of the realm, yet big enough to exist on it on. It's kind of like Hip Hop. You have Emceeing, Deejaying, Graffiti, and Breakdancing as the elements that make it up..but most parts have lives of their own. 2460: 2610:, actually I did not want to merge the articles, I wanted to merge the inner wikipedia concept, like the wikiproject and the template I proposed above. This Rfc was to draw attention to these discussions, I do not believe it is just a simple title issue, many editors do not accept linking erotic art articles with pornography. 1951:

Okay. My apologies to any art museum curators who may be reading this. Both images are highly important works that would be a benefit to any article on Wikpedia, and if my words were hurtful to the families of the artists or in any way tarnished their legacies, I regret those words and acknowledge my

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Changing the name does not address the abovementioned problems. This has been discussed at length, and you have been offered alternatives to this sustained, aggressive editing. Even the editor who expresses "sympathy" for you suggests you place this material elsewhere. You are inserting this material

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which would leave aesthetic beauty, erotic stimulation or sexual arousal as three equal alternatives. Personally I'm quite happy to drop the words "aesthetically beautiful". That said, I think it would be useful to have some indication in the definition as to why erotica isn't pornography, something

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The last paragraph of the section entitled "Erotica and pornography", which deals with a certain Ukrainian policy, seems unnecessary for a number of reasons. All of the information in this paragraph is cited from a broken link. The explanation of how an image is determined to be erotica based off of

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I re-added the "NPOV-section" tag even before I'd seen that there had been one there earlier and had been removed several days ago. The section clearly leans toward the POV that there is a clear difference between pornography and erotica and that the former is "bad" while the latter is "good". Also,

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That isn't illustrative of erotica. This was a spreee of omg I have a picture of a half naked girl, so I'm going to insert it everywhere. That is gratuitous. Note the article says "Erotica is a modern word used to describe the portrayal of the human anatomy and sexuality with high-art aspirations" -

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There's nothing "honest" about this position. There's a great deal in our culture that is degrading or dehumanizing, some of a sexual and some of a non-sexual nature, that is never considered pornography, and a lot of what is called pornography is simply raw sexual acts, sometimes caricaturized and

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I feel I ought to return to this point as I have myself added the Dworkin quote which classifies erotica as a subset of pornography. The current definition, containing the statement "Erotica... is not pornographic" is of course inconsistent with this. I don't think Dworkin's writings should in any

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reference cited (and of course we shouldn't technically be citing encyclopaedias anyway). Additionally the use of the term "aspirations" would allow pornography produced by someone who unsuccessfully aspired to high art to be called erotica, which would be a bit weird. Do you think we could simply

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Hello sir the iditer of this page ! Here I want some more erotically written works in history and the latest as well for which I request to Erotic Literature page to enhance their categories and eritic novels and books and the other things that might entertain the audiences and page viewers ! Very

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I have a lot of sympathy for the editor who has created this section: it's a documented and rather surprising phenomenon and it's in this general area. The editor is trying to improve the Knowledge (XXG). But then so are their opponents. Unfortunately the section does unbalance a small overview

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We can't dumb down all of Knowledge (XXG), or all of the Internet to the least common denominator, or the least controversial version of whatever we describe. It is a parents responsibility to keep their children off of the freeway, not the role of the state to lower the speed limit to five miles

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Thanks for your help with this article. If I understand it correctly, the answer to this issue depends on the sources. The question is presumably whether sources say that there is a distinction between pornography and erotica, or whether sources disagree over the issue. The sources cited in this

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Well, left only shows the chest, but right side is stark naked. Though it says repeatedly, one is a photograph, and another is a painting. Two images are quite different. Therefore these images do represent the breadth of the topic. Both are indispensable. Knowledge (XXG) is not a place doing a

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It's too narrow a topic for inclusion in an article about the general topic. And there's a perfect precedent, an analogy, up at the top of this section. Would you put a section on family guy in the article on modern art? It's cartoons, it's modern. But it's not notable enough for inclusion. The

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I've just added "...but is not pornographic" to the definition. Do you think we should remove the sentence about "high-art aspirations"? Indeed, do you think we should remove the Encarta citation as well? Otherwise it would be left supporting a deleted sentence. In any case the Encarta article

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All the rest of the article is about erotica in general, a specific section is out of place and does not belong. I ask specifically, what is wrong with moving it to a seperate article? It's plenty notable enough to be in a seperate article, but since it's not about erotica in general, and not

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the way to make it encyclopedish is to make the erotica and pornography articles be the same, and simply point out that some people like to use the term erotica and what distinction they are trying to draw. That realistically separates the terminology from the objects, and does not attempt to

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Look, the problem is not the name of the section, or the fact it's the fact that that a section on Student Erotica, which is a very specific facet of the subject, does not merit anywhere near the amount of weight you've given it in the article. The fact that it's "sourced," as you put it,

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Its even more simple than that. Erotica is pornography for women. Changing the name allows women to feel as if they aren't violating taboo or committing a sin. Check out a standard erotica romance novel. It would make porn stars turn white and steady themselves on the furniture!

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Well done. I think both the "high art aspirations" and the Encarta reference should be drooped. Looking at the Encarta section "PORNOGRAPHY VERSUS EROTICA", it looks more like a political item by a radical feminist than an encyclopedic entry, no wonder Encarta died a death.

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I took out the old POV-soaked paragraph and replaced it with cited material. I think the writing is disjointed and it could stand to be fleshed out, but I think it's better to get some NPOV material in there than try to save what read like the musing of a college term

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It seems to me that the difference between the two is the point (for each of us) at which erotica (stimulating, sensual imagery - be it visual, auditory or written) crosses over to being brash; explicit; and in poor taste (that we individually define as pornaography).

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is a great painting, was produced as porn and is now seen as pure art, so I think it should be kept. One other picture could have a male object of desire (Greek sculpture?) and the third should be something other than a pinup nude (maybe sexual activity).

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Frankly, the section needs to be removed, since it stinks of promotion (i.e. it solely uses first-party referencing). If anything, it does need to be placed in a separate article, and third-party sources would be needed to back up any notability issues. --

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specifically notable enough a phenomenon for inclusion in a general article, why are you so opposed to it being moved? I don't think anyone has a problem with it being made a stub, but in the current form, it cannot be included in a general topic article.

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article. The fact you are still illogically obstinate regarding this issue indicates to me that you are more than likely deliberately trying to evoke an edit conflict. Frankly, I am losing good faith in your edits, so I am going to repeat my suggestion in

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It is sourced. It is more sourced than any of the other genres or themes. I would say that it may one day deserve its own article, but until the information in that section grows, it should should just stay put. Deleting it again is just driving the edit

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Problem being, in many regions, the law states that a child is anyone under what is called "age of majority" which is to say, under an age where the accumulated experiences are not deemed sufficient to make decisions for themselves with all dangers

2377:, however, I'm not sure that I agree with adding "but is not pornographic" since that is a debate that people have (as noted below in the article). So to state the matter as "not pornographic" in Knowledge (XXG)'s voice is where we consider how 1231:-- and the addition is the change. Please explain why such a narrow topic is notable enough to be in the article on the general topic, or make a seperate article with that information. Making the seperate article would be much, much better. 675:: As stated in the LookWayUp online english dictionary definition to the Erotica term: "creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire". It speaks for itself. 920:

I went through and did a copyedit on the page and removed the box for it. If anyone feels further editing is needed or a future revision requires work again be my guest to put it back or contact me on my talk page. Greets!

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Erotica is literature or art that deals substantively with subject matter that is erotic, sexually stimulating or sexually arousing. Some critics regard pornography as a type of erotica, but many consider it to be

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Erotica is (in a broad sense) literature or art that deals substantively with subject matter that is erotic, sexually stimulating or sexually arousing but (in a strict sense) is not generally considered to be

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Isn't "relevant enough?" Please cite your precedent. It is about erotica, it is sourced. It is not large enough to be considered its own article. If I wasn't worried about an AfD, I would write a

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without seeking consensus. I'm just restoring the article to what it was. The information should remain here until it is big enough for its own article. That's the way thinsg work in wikipedia.

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I added this section back in. The section is referenced, and it is a new movement among student publications. Rather than deleting it, it should be expanded or moved to another article.

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We don't need a poll Quadell. So far, two editors don't want it and one, you do. That isn't consensus to include it. Also, the wording of the poll is so skewed, I refuse to take part.

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As stated elsewhere, this image adds no value to the article, and seems promotional in nature. You seem to be simply finding excuses to paste your favorite all over Knowledge (XXG).

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Now, my point is that since the two images are similar in content and don't represent the breadth of the topic, one would be sufficient. I think Simon Speed sums this up well. /

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article. At this point, let's go for an RFC or for mediation. I think I'll win. Until then it belongs in the article - it is sourced, more so than any other part of the article.

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This section seems misplaced, especially with listing a bunch of publications. We don't list other publications featuring erotica, so I'm not sure why this should be different.

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has been edting, claiming consensus, against another user, driving an edit war and getting another user blocked. I joined into the argument today, and now I get attacked too.

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Consensus is two against one, and it isn't forced in the course of an hour. A stub would get nominated for not being notable. that's why the information is appropriate here.

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are (fine art merit aside) just high-class piccies of women showing off their bosoms. Does this article really need more than one of those in the absence of other examples?

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Dear Mr. Gilbert, did you call me "pervert"? OK, I'd prefer suicide rather than to be labelled so badly and to be arrested by police for having written that nonsense. --

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make an article on "Student Erotica", but it'd only be a stub. Even if it's not in the main article namespace, you can still make it a sub-page of your user page (i.e.

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Presumably this comes from the definition of erotica as sexually arousing. Simple nudity does not have to be erotic, and the erotic does not have to feature nudity. -

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Eh? No, we should not have an article titled "Erotica and pornography" or "Pornography and erotica." And if you want a title change like that, you need to start a

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is a painting. Both are artistic, so "just high-class piccies of women showing off their bosoms" is POV. Two images were carefully chosen to illustrate text. But

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Actually, it really is the other way around. Changes to the original structure of the article should not be made if someone is opposing without consensus -- see

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Both are intended to induce sexual arousal - both seem to find commercial outlets (making profits for their creators) - both deal with sensuality and sexuality.

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It seems to me that the difference between erotica and pornography is entirely subjective - but it does not need to be judgemental (. . . . you pervert!!) :-)

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It makes sense for an article about erotica, a primarily visual phenomenon, to have an image of erotica. Please don't remove it and call it "gratuitous". –

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The section belongs. Removing it was done without consensus. The people who keep removing it without having first sought consensus are driving an edit war.

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that is discussed in more detail in the "Erotica and pornography" section. The lead para cites erotica's "high-art aspirations". I can't find this in the

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Are there some objective criteria for distinguishing between erotica and simple nudity? I think this aspect is a good addition/inclusion to the article.--

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I disagree. I think this image is representative of "erotica", and the article is currently lacking images. I don't think its insertion was gratuitous. –

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trap or edit wars over the whole "student erotica" mess. The protection will be lifted in 72 hours, or maybe earlier, once we determine whether or not

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My concern is that we have three images, all female, implying that the male form is somehow anerotic. NPV would seem to encourage a broader selection.

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It seems that it would be helpful to compare and contrast specific clear-cut examples of Erotica, Pornography, and Ribaldry across artistic mediums.

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I started laughing at the article and at Knowledge (XXG) after seeing the absurd image (apparently self-taken) of the naked man. Note xkcd's comic at

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Having 3 images is fine, but the range should reflect the range of the subject, to avoid POV and help the reader understand what is being discussed.

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is depicting. Perhaps it is not sufficiently informative. I would propose keeping one of Thirdship's images and removing one or both of the others. /

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Another, additional problem with this section is that it consists almost entirely of 1st party sources. In general, an article or section should

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Erotica is any artistic work that deals substantively with aesthetically beautiful, erotically stimulating or sexually arousing subject matter.

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Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Knowledge (XXG) is a

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Hmmm, I'll put it back though I don't know the reference since I tend to trust your judgement. I may just be in a nitpicky mood tonight.

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Not sure that line is NPOV... Going to delete it since I don't see any way to make it NPOV myself and it doesn't seem very.. encylopedish.

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That's exactly the point I was trying to make with that little change, but you can't write it just like that in an encyclopedia article --

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It sounds like a quote from someone; if so, attribute it and leave it in--I think it's right on the mark and not at all out of place. --

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Once while musing with a friend about the difference between erotica and pornography we decided this - the difference is the audience. --

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That's putting the cart before the horse. the information here should be given time to gorw beofre splitting it off on a new article.

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Erotica is softcore pornography. Besides, if child erotica is child pornography, than erotica in general is pornography in general.

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Besides the picture is innocent enough -- of a woman in a bikini. It seems to me less suggestive than many daytime TV commercials.

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As most people do, Eros is translated as 'love' when it should really be translated as 'desire'. Agapi is the word for sexual love.

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Another editor added the term "aesthetically beautiful" to the definition today and I re-arranged the sentence to stop it saying:

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You've been abusing tools, using sockpuppets, and making disingenuous accusations. This is not how Knowledge (XXG) works. /

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My comment that "we shouldn't technically be citing encyclopaedias" may be misleading to future readers. Encyclopedias are

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I notice the phrase has now been removed. I agree about the 'high art' definition. It reminds me of the early days of the

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

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I'm adding the infomation back in. It is sourced and relevant. There was no consesnus to remove it in the first place.

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article. And a repeated attempt to do so will likely resort in your being blocked, because you're really starting to

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per hour because a child may wander onto the freeway. The Internet, and Knowledge (XXG) are about facts and reality.

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The section needs to be rewritten and expanded. Only once it has grown should it be spun off into its own article.

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sources whose reliability can sometimes be questionable, and it's the use of unchecked encyclopaedias such as WP (

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The girl Fernande (Fernande Barrey 1893) is a child prostitute and should not be the introdution to the page.

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The distinction between pornography and erotica is largely subjective and reflects societies standards.

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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article. Library of Congress image is not discussed in the text, and isn't connected to this article.

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A child reading this page? In case you haven't noticed the article is titled Erotica. Not Hello Kitty.

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Take the photo off please, think of the children that use this page, remove the photo or blur it out

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BTW, what's with all the ] links? It's the same as ], but twice as much typing and harder to edit.

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There should be more images to view and see , naked and sexy original and homemade! Thanks cut!!!!

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rely on first party sources, and should only contain them to supplement third party sources -- see

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that you create a separate article for "student erotica" -- or don't. The choice is yours, but you

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between

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Please create a new article for this. It is wrong here, for the reasons given above, and on your

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The article currently has three images. All are apparently free, so that's good. But at least

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to report the removing editors for "edit warring" (having just previously made this threat on

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No one seems particularly concerned after a couple of weeks so I'll try it in the article. -

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She was an adult at the time the picture was taken. I don't see how her past is relevant. --

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Perhaps you should make this your desktop wallpaper and leave Knowledge (XXG) out of it. /

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type article like this. Either a new article should be created or perhaps a section in

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article, it would be worth linking from this one. But this is not the place for it. /

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To be honest, your insistence in making this whole "student erotica" thing part of

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As stated before, sources do not make this appropriate for this article. Sourcing

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Sections on "Student erotica" have been added three times now, and deleted twice.

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doesn't appear to cite any references and its text seems to be of low quality. -

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Eros is translated as 'love' when it should really be translated as 'desire'.

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Knowledge (XXG) talk:WikiProject Pornography#Requested move 16 January 2019

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the image is like something out of a 'mens' magazine, hardly an art form.

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Update: this section has now been removed 4 times by 3 different editors

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Seconded. You're going against consensus, and are about to violate the

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No, you have it backward. It used to be in the article, until it was

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Ukrainian "criteria on how to distinguish pornography from erotica"

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link at the top. The Knowledge (XXG) community encourages you to

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.

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belongs. This is the wrong place. A stub would be much better. /

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Yes, I reverted the "aesthetically beautiful" aspect. Regarding

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when it gets above 1000 characters I'll create the new article.

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the difference between erotica and porn is aesthetic...or is it?

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is too small and recent a genre to add to a broad article like

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is simple. Erotica is what I like. Pornography is what

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