Talk:Eugène Terre'Blanche

2425:. His white supremacy seems to be played up in UK and US media (probably because it makes for better headlines), but I think in the South African media and in academic circles his Afrikaner nationalism is what is emphasised. I think Knowledge should strive to be more in line with academic sources, so I've changed the lead sentence accordingly (while still mentioning Terre'Blanche's white supremacy in the first paragraph). I've also changed "politician" to just "leader" (given he was never elected to political office), and removed a few of the references to avoid 230: 2070:(See also reply on your talkpage) No, not this time, because I rewrote it to be a foolproof representation of the new source. And if you revert now, it will be instantly clear to anyone that you are simply on a "revert spree" vendetta against my efforts to put verifiable facts on this page in a prominent place where they belong. This man's murder has gigantic political consequences and you are merely trying to divorce this article from that reality with any continued reversions. 2257: 588: 567: 483: 462: 349: 598: 1441:

was connected to Easter Sat or Christianity. Several murders happen every day in South Africa; the vast majority of murderers do not plan to kill in line with the Christian calendar. In the case of a non-Christian killing a Christian in a religious attack in which the killer planned it for Easter weekend for extra publicity, it would be relevant, but it seems almost certain that religion was not an issue in this murder.

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I also added back in the two newspaper citations - as you said, citation overkill should be avoided for statements that aren't likely to be challenged, but the description as a white supremacist (prominently featured in both those sources) has been challenged just in the last 48 hours, so I don't see

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I just read through the BBC article, and I agree with Seb az, that it doesn't say what Blue Danube claims. The article does say, "But the far-right movement's secretary general, Andre Visagie, said Mr Terreblanche's killing had political overtones." However, that's simply Visagie's opinion. Making

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Somebody is trying to link his death to the article on farm-attacks. I think that's a bit of a stretch... yes, he was killed on his farm, but no, linking to the article on the general issue is a coatrack and undue. Every report we have says it was a wage-dispute. Give me some evidence that this was a

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The lead sentence refers to Terre'Blanche "pushing for an Afrikaner secessionist state within South Africa". This is a very limited summary. In the 1980s and early 1990s he opposed all reforms to apartheid, and threatened to go to war to maintain white rule in South Africa. Anyone want to amend the

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Terre'Blanche and the AWB were seldom out of the media during the 1980s and first half of the 1990s. Terre'blanche's powerful oratory and apocalyptic images of race war often featured, with the image of heavily armed AWB members parading in uniform, sometimes hooded. However, this image of the rise

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But the links with Allan were already causing trouble within the ANC well before the 92 libel case. For example, an extremist bomber from an offshoot AWB organisation, planted a bomb outside Allan's apartment in 1989. There were also some requests for his resignation between 1988 and 1992, with the

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Further to that, used as a source in the article makes for interesting reading (I'm aware that AmRen is a white nationalist site). The article's author seems to think Terre'Blanche was fighting for "all whites" in South Africa against "all blacks", when in reality he hated English-speaking whites

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I noticed that you recently changed the description of Terre'Blanche in the opening sentence from "South African politician" to "white supremacist South African politician". I agree that a change is needed – "South African politician" isn't really that informative, and thus not really the greatest

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To say it that Easter Sat is a traditional day to murder politicians is unsubstantiated; two cases that had nothing to do with religion do make a trend. I don't see any reason to mention Easter Sat on this article or Hani's, as there is no evidence, nor I believe any suggestion, that either murder

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I was told that TB once said at a meeting that some of his ancestors had died at the Battle of Blood River. Since no whites perished at that battle, this can only mean that at least one of his ancestors was black. Tis a pity such a statement won't ever make it to the Knowledge page about him. --

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Anyway, it seems that he's got to be described as a "white supremacist" in the opening line, as that's his defining trait the world over - the last sentence of that first paragraph should be where it's mentioned that "in the South African media and in academic circles his Afrikaner nationalism is

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The defense at the trial made a case that the semen found on him was washed and the polcie work was botchesd...which was a pretty strong case that the judge took against the poor proscecution effort. Although it may be of note in this racial case that the prosecurot spokesman was black (probs the

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So you say that the Chris Hani article is wrong as well? I believe culturally relevant to the readers should take a back-seat to relevance to the case, as Easter is celebrated, and is indeed a national holiday in the country where the murder occurred. We could always link Easter Saturday for the

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Then he should be introduced as that, instead of as a " South African Political leader" Well known newspapers such as the Wall Street Journal covered his death introducing him as a White Supremacist leader. The man tried to prevent the end of Apartheid, that in itself proves he was a White

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He was a separatist; he wanted part of SA to be a separate state for Boers. Therefore the lead should describe him as a separatist. Many people called him a supremacist, but he didn't want whites to have black slaves; he wanted racial separation, not dominance within the same state.

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Legally, it is still termed an 'alleged' affair. The reason that 1992 is cited is because that is when many details of the alleged affair came to light, many witnesses testified and gave details in Jani Allan's libel case against the broadcaster of Broomfield's film, Channel 4.

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just as much as (if not more than) blacks. It's very naive (and Anglocentric) of the author to characterise the ethnic situation in South Africa as just "blacks vs. whites", and more evidence (IMHO) that "Afrikaner nationalist" is the best description for Terre'Blanche.

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I tried rephrasing it to match the source. One thing I felt necessary was to move the "wage dispute" out of the sentence with the reference, since that article doesn't mention that at all. I also tried to keep a little of the context while still keeping it

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that it is. In any event, this is a global encyclopedia, albeit one written in the English language, and the concept of "Easter" may not be culturally relevant to some of our readers, so it's better, I feel, just to leave it as the date, which is

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This Guardian obituary says "When the imposing Terre'Blanche and six other diehard Afrikaner racists conceived the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB, Afrikaner resistance movement) in 1970," - that can definitely be used. Two more are

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The article mentions:"His body was found on the bed... naked below the waist and sexually molested. Speculation that Terre'Blanche had sexually assaulted one or both of the accused was raised in certain publications."

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I hadn't seen that article, or even that AmRen was used as a source. I don't believe that a majority of editors would consider it a reliable source, though, so any inferences drawn from that "evidence", besides being

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I'm just questioning here. The article states that the Jani Allan "affair" came to light in 1992, but it is mentioned in the Broomfield documentary which was released in 1991. Is there is confusion of years here?

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Jim Michael, is it disputed that 3 April 2010 was Easter Saturday? Does it have to be relevant for me to post that? Should I go and remove the statement that Chris Hani was killed on Easter Saturday in his bio?

2717: 2421:. "White supremacist South African politician" is better, but I think it can be improved further. Terre'Blanche was certainly a white supremacist, but his white supremacy was secondary to (or a subset of) his 2008:

the statement in Knowledge's neutral voice makes it sound like the connection is widely accepted. Now, theoretically we could attribute the claim specifically to Visagie, but I don't think that would meet

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Back in his heyday, it was hard to look at him and see a white man; he looked like a fair-skinned mulatto. At least from certain angles. He was certainly more African-looking than Mariah Carey for example.

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His conviction was rather suspect. In the one case it was a criminal itself that accused him in the other he was actually helping an injured person getting to hospital that then turned against him. --

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I don't think the lead is the place to air the latest allegations. Speculation about pay disputes, assaults, Malema, etc. are covered in detail later in the article. I've removed them from the lead.

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He was not, Terre'Blanche was a passive supporter Israel due to Israel's extensive support of the South African apartheid government. By passive support I mean he never bothered to talk about Jews.

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I suspect it was actually a sentence from Knowledge which was subsequently used in the media, not a sentence from the media which was copied by Knowledge. I think this should be restored in full.

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On June 17, 2001, Terre'Blanche was sentenced to six years in prison, of which he served three years, for assaulting a petrol station worker and the attempted murder of a security guard in 1996.

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Alleged motivations for the murder have included a pay dispute, sexual assault, and racist motives, triggered by the song "kill the boer" recently promoted by Julius Malemaof the

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This man was killed on Easter Saturday. This day is becoming a traditional South African day to murder politicians. The date was either a coincidence or not a coincidence.

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Judging by the pictures I've seen of him, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out he did have non-white ancestry. That would mean he'd have something in common with

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It is not clear which parts refer to Eugène (the one who fell off the horse) and which refer to Estienne, the progenitor. Also, should the horse incident be mentioned? --

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Both terms are used in this article to describe him. Did he receive a regular salary for his political position? If so, he was a politician; if not, he was an activist.

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Thanks, the other article confirms the translation. I think it should be added to this article for clarity; doing so also makes the article more self-contained per

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and it has to go. I certainly didn't see anything like that when I was looking for sources on him. I'm going to adjust the lead accordingly; see what you think.

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This is the most pathetic article that I have ever read in my life. It is completely biased. It's just... pathetic. No offence, person who wrote those crap. --

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I think "Weerstandsbeweging" translates to "resistance movement" but a Dutch speaker should check that. It's worth including a translation in the article.

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There is no "agenda", quit spewing. Qwyrxian's edit makes it more or less acceptable, your edit, on the other hand, once again misrepresented the source.

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The statement that the AWB was defeated in Bophuthatswana is not correct. This is also not what is written in the cited report of the Tebutt commission:

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First of all, it's Afrikaans, not Dutch. Secondly, this article is about TerreBlanche. Explanation of name is given at the article about the AWB

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This is not sourced, nor are the people named, nearly impossible to verify. Was he really sentenced on both counts ? Very badly written.

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It is relevant to link to the farm attack article. That article doesn't claim that all farm attacks are racially motivated hate crimes.

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I disagree, and not for the reason you might think. Focusing on what South African media thinks of him is a pretty clear violation of

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Is it really useful to give seven different sources for the death? It is not a contested fact, I suggest to take six of them out. --

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It could only go in if there is a reliable source that states he said such a thing or which proves he had any non-white ancestry.

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of the far right was not the only image projected by the media, which increasingly ridiculed Terre'Blanche and his supporters.

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I don't believe it should mention Easter unless a reliable source has commented on the relevance of this. Meanwhile, trying to

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Articles normally only cover material based on some finding; that link contains only the reporting of someone's speculation.

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What his actions "prove" is irrelevant. I have attempted to give a summary of the controversial labels given him.

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There is no proof of this and so it cannot be used as fact. I ask this part be removed due to lack of facts.

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I seem to remember that the AWB created some sort of white-only community in the mid to late 1980s. Way off?

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I thought my posts would be improved, but it simply got reverted. This seems like relevant observation.

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Terre'Blanche's widow Martie is alive. I'm not aware of him ever having been married to anyone else.

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I will take out "political leader" and rephrase it. It wasn't in the article until recently anyways.

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a) we're not deaf, don't yell b) don't write into others' comments c) we'll find out, chill.

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The AWB sometimes creates modern myths and such. All sources say he was 69... do the math :)

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is actually the Saturday after Easter. The Saturday between Good Friday and Easter Sunday is

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what is emphasised" - if you can find a source for that statement. If you can't, then it's

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WHEN DID HIS WIFE DIE? THE RUMOR SAYS SHE COMMITED SUICIDE, IS THAT TRUE??? CONFIRM PLEASE

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there is a source there, and it is reliable not like the sources of the second version

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I will also comment that the article is poorly organized and needs to be reworked. --

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racially motivated hate-crime-style attack (or whatever you want to call it).

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It's not uncommon for racists to somehow belong to the groups they victimize:

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to begin with, are pretty much out the window when the source is considered.

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ANC leaders later announced a temporary ban on the sining of the song.

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Do good sources call him a politician, activist or what? --

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that took me less than a minute. Next time, please read

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Not all of the info stated is in each one of the refs.

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Should he not be introduced as a white supremacist?

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