577:
757:
233:
549:
533:
517:
353:
598:
266:
203:
696:
678:
419:
384:
429:
1120:
per
Malerisch. I'm very familiar with the phrase but not calling it the "Sagan standard". Skimming the article's sources I see "a phrase made popular by Carl Sagan", "Sagan's dictum", "Sagan's statement", "Carl Sagan's Balance", and "Carl Sagan's aphorism", or no reference to Sagan at all. While
932:
The move discussions take 7 days and so there will be no immediate effect. The discussion was started because my attention was drawn by the main page appearance. Other editors will likewise be paying attention and so this is a good time to address this issue which has been raised repeatedly by
1240:
This article uses the term "science communicator" multiple times, but does not define the term. It is not a part of standard written
English, and thus it should be defined or described, particularly for those not "in the know" of science or American popular culture.
1097:, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" is a commonly-used phrase, while "Sagan standard" is so uncommon that it doesn't even register as an Ngram. Google Scholar shows 2050 results for "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
954:. There is enough connection between concept and name for a this. (Yes, it has been discussed before, and each time it's been kept as being acceptable; I have no idea why this is being relitigated when the consensus keeps being to keep the article). -
153:
913:
a move today. Here we promise some of
Knowledge's best articles, and then the first thing a reader sees is not content but a tag. Can we perhaps postpone the discussion? - If we discuss I oppose, in favour of the short name that honors the writer.
44:
1095:
1294:
190:
147:
1289:
323:
247:
1344:
1349:
1016:
848:
771:
24:
1031:). The article is no longer on the main page, so that opposing point no longer applies. And this is not about whether the keep the article but whether to change the title.
272:
194:
1339:
450:
on
Knowledge. If you would like to support the project, please visit the project page, where you can get more details on how you can help, and where you can join the
825:
304:
168:
1314:
524:
394:
135:
863:
discusses the topic at length without once calling it the "Sagan standard". Other aphorisms and adages are used directly as the title of their articles, e.g.
1359:
1304:
714:
660:
650:
487:
477:
1230:
79:
1221:
Is this supposed to indicate something in particular? I feel like most articles I've read do not generally color these types of quotes. Am I mistaken?
1319:
556:
402:
129:
1364:
1309:
125:
1329:
1121:
there are a number of Google results with it, I don't see "Sagan standard" as widely or consistently enough used to have as the article title.
703:
683:
1354:
1299:
1050:
626:
452:
85:
1284:
175:
806:
Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
1334:
872:
909:
I believe that not only should we not move an article while linked from the Main page (which is for three more days), but not even
1324:
1098:
1027:: The requested-move banner was hidden for the past 7 days, so relisting for more notice (and because I don't see a consensus by
775:
605:
582:
442:
389:
141:
99:
30:
104:
20:
1212:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
74:
1269:
1250:
1202:
1183:
1156:
1125:
1112:
1082:
1062:
1040:
995:
981:
963:
942:
923:
899:
868:
838:
364:
1198:
540:
398:
242:
65:
625:
related articles on
Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
202:
185:
1141:
titles when possible. There is no reason to switch to this behemoth 51 character title. The status quo is fine. ~
938:
880:
797:
763:
213:
1134:
1012:
856:
352:
232:
217:
972:
when it was first published in 1979. Throughout the years, I've never once heard the term "Sagan standard".
109:
1194:
1078:
1059:
1037:
919:
896:
265:
1257:
807:
370:
252:
1226:
1222:
1165:
1091:
934:
876:
864:
852:
820:
968:
It's constantly being relitigated because the term "Sagan standard" is entirely unfamiliar. I read
1265:
1108:
1008:
977:
851:– Many people expressed similar ideas long before Sagan and the phrase itself seems to be the most
161:
55:
810:
after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
713:
on
Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
991:
959:
218:
70:
1246:
1138:
1074:
1054:
1032:
915:
891:
434:
256:
51:
1178:
1149:
1101:
1028:
834:
597:
576:
215:
860:
1261:
1104:
973:
844:
548:
532:
516:
1278:
1122:
987:
955:
618:
614:
1242:
986:
It may be unfamiliar to you, but looking through the sources shows the opposite. -
1169:
1142:
830:
622:
447:
424:
695:
677:
610:
446:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of content related to
707:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of articles that are
709:
418:
383:
1073:. The most recognizable way to refer to the phrase is the phrase.
1260:
since 2007. It is very much a part of the
English vernacular.
751:
346:
219:
15:
547:
531:
515:
1295:
Featured articles that have appeared on the main page once
1217:
Why is the first section's quote colored in an orange-red?
861:"Do Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence?"
767:
762:
On 12 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be
316:
160:
1290:
Featured articles that have appeared on the main page
609:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
849:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
772:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
498:
239:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
25:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
271:This article appeared on Knowledge's Main Page as
33:for general discussion of the article's subject.
1216:
1345:Low-importance philosophy of religion articles
1168:of the phrase, by far, is the phrase itself.
174:
8:
255:. Even so, if you can update or improve it,
251:as one of the best articles produced by the
245:; it (or a previous version of it) has been
1350:Philosophy of religion task force articles
796:The following is a closed discussion of a
672:
571:
495:
378:
280:
227:
1100:and only 58 results for "Sagan standard"
1340:FA-Class philosophy of religion articles
350:
674:
573:
380:
1053:has been notified of this discussion.
723:Knowledge:WikiProject Spoken Knowledge
456:about philosophy content on Knowledge.
726:Template:WikiProject Spoken Knowledge
7:
1315:Low-importance epistemology articles
815:The result of the move request was:
701:This article is within the scope of
603:This article is within the scope of
440:This article is within the scope of
23:for discussing improvements to the
1360:Mid-importance Skepticism articles
1305:Low-importance Philosophy articles
873:The pen is mightier than the sword
14:
1256:What? We’ve had an article about
1320:Epistemology task force articles
1208:The discussion above is closed.
755:
694:
676:
635:Knowledge:WikiProject Skepticism
596:
575:
462:Knowledge:WikiProject Philosophy
427:
417:
382:
351:
264:
231:
201:
45:Click here to start a new topic.
1365:WikiProject Skepticism articles
655:This article has been rated as
638:Template:WikiProject Skepticism
482:This article has been rated as
465:Template:WikiProject Philosophy
1310:FA-Class epistemology articles
826:closed by non-admin page mover
369:It is of interest to multiple
1:
1330:Low-importance logic articles
1164:per nom and those above. The
933:editors above and elsewhere.
883:) 09:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
875:and this seems to work well.
717:and see a list of open tasks.
629:and see a list of open tasks.
42:Put new text under old text.
1355:FA-Class Skepticism articles
1300:FA-Class Philosophy articles
869:Perfect is the enemy of good
789:Requested move 12 March 2024
704:WikiProject Spoken Knowledge
1285:Knowledge featured articles
1137:, we should try to utilize
50:New to Knowledge? Welcome!
1381:
1270:08:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
1251:21:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
1231:13:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
1203:19:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
1184:17:51, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
1157:02:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
1126:22:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
1113:23:42, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
1083:00:58, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
1063:19:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
1041:18:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
1017:20:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
996:10:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
982:19:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
964:14:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
943:11:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
924:10:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
900:18:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
661:project's importance scale
488:project's importance scale
324:Featured article candidate
1335:Logic task force articles
839:09:20, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
729:Spoken Knowledge articles
689:
654:
591:
555:
539:
523:
494:
481:
412:
377:
333:
283:
279:
80:Be welcoming to newcomers
1210:Please do not modify it.
803:Please do not modify it.
273:Today's featured article
1325:FA-Class logic articles
499:Associated task forces:
1193:per OP and Malerisch.
1094:. According to Ngrams
1051:WikiProject Skepticism
606:WikiProject Skepticism
557:Philosophy of religion
552:
536:
520:
443:WikiProject Philosophy
359:This article is rated
75:avoid personal attacks
1258:science communication
551:
535:
519:
305:Articles for deletion
195:Auto-archiving period
100:Neutral point of view
865:All models are wrong
105:No original research
1029:weight of arguments
641:Skepticism articles
468:Philosophy articles
253:Knowledge community
553:
537:
521:
453:general discussion
365:content assessment
300:September 29, 2017
284:Article milestones
275:on March 12, 2024.
86:dispute resolution
47:
1195:A. Randomdude0000
1135:WP:Article titles
1065:
1057:
1043:
1035:
1025:Relisting comment
902:
894:
829:
786:
785:
745:
744:
741:
740:
737:
736:
671:
670:
667:
666:
570:
569:
566:
565:
562:
561:
435:Philosophy portal
345:
344:
341:
340:
226:
225:
66:Assume good faith
43:
1372:
1176:
1154:
1147:
1055:
1048:
1033:
1023:
892:
884:
855:. For example,
823:
805:
774:. The result of
759:
758:
752:
731:
730:
727:
724:
721:
720:Spoken Knowledge
698:
691:
690:
684:Spoken Knowledge
680:
673:
643:
642:
639:
636:
633:
600:
593:
592:
587:
579:
572:
506:
496:
470:
469:
466:
463:
460:
437:
432:
431:
430:
421:
414:
413:
408:
405:
386:
379:
362:
356:
355:
347:
336:Featured article
334:Current status:
319:
317:October 29, 2023
281:
268:
243:featured article
235:
228:
220:
206:
205:
196:
179:
178:
164:
95:Article policies
16:
1380:
1379:
1375:
1374:
1373:
1371:
1370:
1369:
1275:
1274:
1238:
1219:
1214:
1213:
1170:
1150:
1143:
801:
791:
756:
728:
725:
722:
719:
718:
640:
637:
634:
631:
630:
585:
504:
467:
464:
461:
458:
457:
433:
428:
426:
406:
392:
363:on Knowledge's
360:
315:
222:
221:
216:
193:
121:
116:
115:
114:
91:
61:
12:
11:
5:
1378:
1376:
1368:
1367:
1362:
1357:
1352:
1347:
1342:
1337:
1332:
1327:
1322:
1317:
1312:
1307:
1302:
1297:
1292:
1287:
1277:
1276:
1273:
1272:
1237:
1236:Undefined term
1234:
1218:
1215:
1207:
1206:
1205:
1187:
1186:
1159:
1128:
1115:
1085:
1067:
1066:
1045:
1044:
1020:
1019:
1002:
1001:
1000:
999:
998:
948:
947:
946:
945:
927:
926:
845:Sagan standard
842:
813:
812:
798:requested move
792:
790:
787:
784:
783:
776:the discussion
768:Sagan standard
760:
749:
743:
742:
739:
738:
735:
734:
732:
715:the discussion
699:
687:
686:
681:
669:
668:
665:
664:
657:Mid-importance
653:
647:
646:
644:
627:the discussion
601:
589:
588:
586:Mid‑importance
580:
568:
567:
564:
563:
560:
559:
554:
544:
543:
538:
528:
527:
522:
512:
511:
509:
507:
501:
500:
492:
491:
484:Low-importance
480:
474:
473:
471:
439:
438:
422:
410:
409:
407:Low‑importance
387:
375:
374:
368:
357:
343:
342:
339:
338:
331:
330:
327:
320:
312:
311:
308:
301:
297:
296:
293:
290:
286:
285:
277:
276:
269:
261:
260:
236:
224:
223:
214:
212:
211:
208:
207:
181:
180:
118:
117:
113:
112:
107:
102:
93:
92:
90:
89:
82:
77:
68:
62:
60:
59:
48:
39:
38:
35:
34:
28:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1377:
1366:
1363:
1361:
1358:
1356:
1353:
1351:
1348:
1346:
1343:
1341:
1338:
1336:
1333:
1331:
1328:
1326:
1323:
1321:
1318:
1316:
1313:
1311:
1308:
1306:
1303:
1301:
1298:
1296:
1293:
1291:
1288:
1286:
1283:
1282:
1280:
1271:
1267:
1263:
1259:
1255:
1254:
1253:
1252:
1248:
1244:
1235:
1233:
1232:
1228:
1224:
1211:
1204:
1200:
1196:
1192:
1189:
1188:
1185:
1182:
1181:
1177:
1175:
1174:
1167:
1166:WP:COMMONNAME
1163:
1160:
1158:
1155:
1153:
1148:
1146:
1140:
1136:
1132:
1129:
1127:
1124:
1119:
1116:
1114:
1110:
1106:
1102:
1099:
1096:
1093:
1092:WP:COMMONNAME
1089:
1086:
1084:
1080:
1076:
1072:
1069:
1068:
1064:
1061:
1058:
1052:
1047:
1046:
1042:
1039:
1036:
1030:
1026:
1022:
1021:
1018:
1014:
1010:
1009:Tim O'Doherty
1007:per the FAC.
1006:
1003:
997:
993:
989:
985:
984:
983:
979:
975:
971:
970:Broca's Brain
967:
966:
965:
961:
957:
953:
950:
949:
944:
940:
936:
931:
930:
929:
928:
925:
921:
917:
912:
908:
905:
904:
903:
901:
898:
895:
890:
889:
882:
878:
874:
870:
866:
862:
858:
854:
850:
846:
841:
840:
836:
832:
827:
822:
821:WP:COMMONNAME
818:
811:
809:
804:
799:
794:
793:
788:
781:
777:
773:
769:
765:
761:
754:
753:
750:
747:
733:
716:
712:
711:
706:
705:
700:
697:
693:
692:
688:
685:
682:
679:
675:
662:
658:
652:
649:
648:
645:
628:
624:
620:
619:pseudohistory
616:
615:pseudoscience
612:
608:
607:
602:
599:
595:
594:
590:
584:
581:
578:
574:
558:
550:
546:
545:
542:
534:
530:
529:
526:
518:
514:
513:
510:
508:
503:
502:
497:
493:
489:
485:
479:
476:
475:
472:
455:
454:
449:
445:
444:
436:
425:
423:
420:
416:
415:
411:
404:
400:
396:
391:
388:
385:
381:
376:
372:
366:
358:
354:
349:
348:
337:
332:
328:
326:
325:
321:
318:
314:
313:
309:
307:
306:
302:
299:
298:
294:
291:
288:
287:
282:
278:
274:
270:
267:
263:
262:
258:
254:
250:
249:
244:
240:
237:
234:
230:
229:
210:
209:
204:
200:
192:
189:
187:
183:
182:
177:
173:
170:
167:
163:
159:
155:
152:
149:
146:
143:
140:
137:
134:
131:
127:
124:
123:Find sources:
120:
119:
111:
110:Verifiability
108:
106:
103:
101:
98:
97:
96:
87:
83:
81:
78:
76:
72:
69:
67:
64:
63:
57:
53:
52:Learn to edit
49:
46:
41:
40:
37:
36:
32:
26:
22:
18:
17:
1239:
1220:
1209:
1190:
1179:
1172:
1171:
1161:
1151:
1144:
1130:
1117:
1087:
1075:Adumbrativus
1070:
1056:SilverLocust
1034:SilverLocust
1024:
1004:
969:
951:
916:Gerda Arendt
910:
906:
893:SilverLocust
887:
886:
857:David Deming
843:
816:
814:
802:
795:
779:
748:
746:
708:
702:
656:
604:
525:Epistemology
483:
451:
441:
395:Epistemology
371:WikiProjects
335:
322:
310:No consensus
303:
257:please do so
246:
238:
198:
184:
171:
165:
157:
150:
144:
138:
132:
122:
94:
19:This is the
853:common form
808:move review
148:free images
31:not a forum
1279:Categories
1223:Indochina2
888:Relisting.
632:Skepticism
623:skepticism
583:Skepticism
459:Philosophy
448:philosophy
390:Philosophy
248:identified
1262:Viriditas
1105:Malerisch
974:Viriditas
859:'s paper
88:if needed
71:Be polite
21:talk page
1123:Reywas92
988:SchroCat
956:SchroCat
403:Religion
361:FA-class
329:Promoted
199:180 days
186:Archives
56:get help
29:This is
27:article.
1243:Minturn
1191:Support
1162:Support
1139:concise
1118:Support
1088:Support
1071:Support
911:discuss
907:Comment
659:on the
611:science
486:on the
292:Process
154:WP refs
142:scholar
1173:BD2412
1131:Oppose
1049:Note:
1005:Oppose
952:Oppose
935:Andrew
877:Andrew
831:Vpab15
817:moved.
710:spoken
367:scale.
295:Result
126:Google
780:moved
766:from
764:moved
541:Logic
399:Logic
241:is a
169:JSTOR
130:books
84:Seek
1266:talk
1247:talk
1227:talk
1199:talk
1133:Per
1109:talk
1090:per
1079:talk
1013:talk
992:talk
978:talk
960:talk
939:talk
920:talk
881:talk
871:and
835:talk
819:Per
778:was
621:and
289:Date
162:FENS
136:news
73:and
1152:333
1145:HAL
937:🐉(
879:🐉(
770:to
651:Mid
478:Low
176:TWL
1281::
1268:)
1249:)
1229:)
1201:)
1111:)
1103:.
1081:)
1060:💬
1038:💬
1015:)
994:)
980:)
962:)
941:)
922:)
914:--
897:💬
885:—
867:,
847:→
837:)
800:.
617:,
613:,
505:/
401:/
397:/
393::
197::
156:)
54:;
1264:(
1245:(
1225:(
1197:(
1180:T
1107:(
1077:(
1011:(
990:(
976:(
958:(
918:(
833:(
828:)
824:(
782:.
663:.
490:.
373:.
259:.
191:1
188::
172:·
166:·
158:·
151:·
145:·
139:·
133:·
128:(
58:.
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
