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21: 922:- one appears to be an animal (hedgehog) and perhaps another (antennapedia), but the other three listed are... only discover that all five links are for genes ... not the animals. Do we need to link the genes in the lead? Otherwise, we need some way of making it clear that the hedgehog link is NOT to an animal but to a gene named after it - I note that the actual link redirects to "Hedgehog signaling pathway"? 948:"and about the fish's likely direction of travel" this was hard to parse because the verb ("decieve") was so distant and so much took place between the verb and this phrase... Suggest "This may deceive predators in two ways: first, into attacking the tail rather than the more vulnerable head, and second, about the fish's likely direction of travel. For fish with eyespots, it is an example of self-mimicry." 878: 855: 837: 806: 782: 755: 741: 712: 694: 680: 666: 631: 597: 76: 128: 202: 107: 443: 935:"Butterfly eyespots can mimic dead leaves for camouflage from predators, as seen in Bicyclus anynana; this is a response to a seasonal fall in temperature, causing a shift in selection towards smaller, less conspicuous eyespots." this seems to imply that the size of the spots on this species change with the seasons? 1024:
I've put the article on hold for seven days to allow folks to address the issues I've brought up. Feel free to contact me on my talk page, or here with any concerns, and let me know one of those places when the issues have been addressed. If I may suggest that you strike out, check mark, or otherwise
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And continuing in that sentence "...by a small number of genes active in embryonic development of a wide range of animals, including Engrailed, Distal-less, Hedgehog, Antennapedia, and the Notch signaling pathway." is confusing. I was expecting a list of animals - and I got well, when they are listed
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Well, we could. It's obviously your responsibility if you import images to put them somewhere sensible - space for images is always limited, and many editors object strongly to image clutter (specially at GA, and even more at FA). It's not generally all right, therefore, simply to import images that
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Possibly related to the 2010 comment about the article's title, the lead needs rewriting. It sets out several contradictory theories, directly cites recent primary sources (research papers, not review articles or books that discuss and place the research into context) - and it shouldn't contain refs
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I migrated some examples from the page "Automimicry" to here, because they are more appropriately placed in this page. Some of the pictures are quite nice, but I don't know how to arrange them on the page. Some appear all the way down by /*Morphogenesis*/ :( Can someone with more Wiki skills please
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List of refs needs to go back a bit to get some historical perspective, with a section on 'Early research' or just 'History' - Cott of course; and Messrs Darwin, Wallace, Bates do rather need a mention. So, we rewrite the lead, and the body, and the refs. Guess that at least leaves the article name
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Second paragraph - both sentences start with "Eyespots..." and the first sentence is very convoluted - can we break it up somewhat and make it more accessible? Remember the lead is often times the only section that's read and if it's too dense, the reader will usually just give up.
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Well, mine is dependent on a mobile hotspot that was going up and downhill in the TN foothills! And my poor laptop was also bouncing around a bit on the folding table... so it was a bit difficult to type well. We're stopped for a while now ... so passing this - looks good.
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After that you can set the parameter |left to place one or two images on the left hand side - that takes care, as you don't want to foul up section headings, quotes, or tables, nor do we want the text squeezed between a pair of images as the window is resized.
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or discussion that aren't in the diminutive article body either, and mumbles repetitively about possibly not being functional. Cott 1940 was crystal clear that eyespots were highly functional, and nobody frankly has contradicted that.
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Similarly, third paragraph - I know you link "Morphogenesis" but it's not easy to get the meaning from the sentence itself - perhaps use "The biological process that forms the shape (or
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The first thing is simply to paste in each image in the section where you want it, and as a quick rule of thumb, no more than one per section unless there's a lot of text there.
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mark the items I've detailed, that will make it possible for me to see what's been addressed, and you can keep track of what's been done and what still needs to be worked on.
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I've seen it but I'm currently winding through the mountains in Tennessee with a ... variable ... internet connection. Should be more stable this afternoon, I'm hoping...
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Yes, though once a butterfly has grown to be an adult, its spots are fixed, so its the season of "birth" that determines spot size. Adjusted the text.
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I did do some copyediting, please make sure I didn't change any sourced text beyond what the sources will support or that I haven't broken anything.
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Nothing wrong in this section, just noting that I mostly understood it! (Not bad for a medievalist with a horsewoman's understanding of genetics...)
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honest signal where applicable; strong resemblance to vertebrate predator (binocular vision) eyes, i.e. mimicry in service of deimatic effect;
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Since it seems clear that they aren't always used in mimicry, and may not be at all, perhaps a more neutral name like
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Many thanks. How nice to be allowed out all day. We can go for one exercise walk, from our own front door only.
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on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
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My connection is a bit better, working well now after 2 engineers worked on it today...
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Excellent, many thanks for the review. I think I've done everything you've asked for.
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are "quite nice" - the criterion for inclusion is not "could do with it" but (as in
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Link for "source/diffusion model" "source/threshold model" and "sink model"?
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I randomly googled three phrases and only turned up Knowledge mirrors.
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Suggest the article needs new clear section on each of the theories (
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It rightly doesn't. If you know otherwise, cite your evidence here.
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Added one link, the others are explained in the text.
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