820:: from a group of our teachers, from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid, from more than one transmitter, from ‘Ali ibn Asbat, from Ahmad ibn ‘Umar al-Hallal, from ‘Ali ibn Suwayd, from Abu al-Hasan al-’Awwal . ‘Ali ibn Suwayd says, ‘I asked him concerning the utterance of God Almighty: And whoever puts his trust in God, then God suffices him (65:3).’ The Imam said: “There are various degrees of trust in God. Of them one is that you should put your trust in God in all your affairs, being well-pleased with whatever God does to you, knowing for certain that he does not cease in His goodness and grace towards you, and that the command therein rests with Him. So put your trust in God, leaving that to Him and relying upon Him in regard to that and everything other than that!
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As we read at source, ‘’ The ’40 Hadith’ is in fact Imam
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Hadiths about ethics, religious beliefs, and other subjects and has more than 1000 Hadiths. Nobody said that Al-Khisal is a book of just forty Hadith and you can not find a source for approving it. In this book, there is a Hadith from Prophet about gathering and memorizing Hadiths by
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DYK is a secondary process, article editing is primary. Although the people at DYK might get irritated and fail the nomination if the article changes substantially over a longer period... we're far from that. I'd suggest that before we continue reverting each other, let's bring the contentious issues
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this page is about the book. It's so important about one book that is translated to other language. It is not logical way to nominate to languages that book is translated to them in background part. At the back ground part we explain why Imam khomini authored the frothy Hadith book. Can you explain
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Whoever from my Ummah memorizes forty hadith, Allah will raise him on
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thank you for clearing that up. We can now remove this mention of al-Khisal as being a hoax. I have already given one source which shows that Al-Khisal has nothing to do with motivating people to write books on 40 hadith, rather it is Imam Nawawi's book that is the first of the genre which inspired
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Encyclopedia of Islam clearly shows that Imam Nawawi's collection was the one which was the earliest and the most important work in this genre, therefore this work by Nawawi should be the one which will be called as the "work inspiring others" to do the same. We can clearly see that the sentence
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I'm vaguely aware of the differences. My problem is, is it realistic to find a neutral source? If there are conflicting views we can display both. If a topic is only relevant to one side, we can hint at that in the text (although, without a reliable source saying so, it would be OR. We do that all
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it is better , first read the book then give your opinion! If you take look at the book, you find one part of book is about chain of narrators! if you have a little knowledge of Hadith, you can find that the chain of narrator is important part. so according this reason and also it is important that
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As I said, I am not sure about Khisal being the source of that tradition. But that is a moot point, the sentence that scholars were motivated by this tradition of Khisal is an OR statement or a hoax. For there have been numerous other collections which were never inspired by Khisal, and we have no
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It does not matter what you think, your opinion is useless here, as is mine. We will be looking at what
Khomeini has written and you can clearly see that he has said nothing about the chain of narration in the entirety of the book, because he knows that discussing chain of narration is useless.
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This sentences, ‘’’In 2009, the book was translated into French with the assistance of Iran's
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When there are more things such as pictures in article, we want to clear the topic and content. So, useing one Hadith from the book, help readers understand more about Hadith structure. When we don't use Hadith, readers must go to the book and see one Hadith. I think that one example Hadith is
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So, is the expression "Whoever from my Ummah memorizes forty hadith, Allah will raise him on
Resurrection Day as a jurisprudent and scholar" in the Al-Khisal or not? And if yes, is this expression (itself a hadith, I guess) the reason to compile exactly forty of them, or not? Because neither
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Mulla Muhammad Taqi Majlisi, have compiled Arbain Hadith on various topics. Imam Khomeini, however, focused on akhlaq (ethics) and taught his selection of Forty Hadith as part of his lectures on ethics to students in the holy city of Qom. He compiled the Arbain hadith in 1358 AH/1939
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I don't want to be rude here, but what you just wrote is outright hilarious. Believe me, I do not mean to disrespect you, but you have just made me laugh even though I have been moody the entire day. Let me just quickly explain why your view is wrong here. According to
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cannot understand my mean, when two copy editor reviewed the article and edited, then you undid that edits, without any reason or acceptable reason. if you want to improve article by edits, there is no problem, but you undid the edits of copy editor!!!please be polite.
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Shia scholars think that Sunni collections are lies, Sunni scholars say that Shia collections are all lies. Now sourcing a claim to a particular sect works quite well when we are in a genre specific to that sect, for example if a Shia writes a book on, lets assume,
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The main text of the book containes the interpretations of hadith, so it is better to nominate to interpretation as Hadith, but there is two problem, first the interpretation is too long and second, it is meaningless to use interpretation without appropriate
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In the preface to Forty Hadith, Khomeini writes that he had permission to relate hadith on the authority of three Islamic scholars, who he calls his teachers: Shaykh Muhammad Reza Najafi Isfahani, Shaykh Abbas Qummi, and Allamah Sayyid Muhsin Amin
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In the preface to Forty Hadith, Khomeini writes that he had permission to relate hadith on the authority of three Islamic scholars, who he calls his teachers: Shaykh Muhammad Reza Najafi Isfahani, Shaykh Abbas Qummi, and Allamah Sayyid Muhsin Amin
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Somewhat hard to believe a relatively new editor made this up on one fine day. That would be a monster of a hoax, even implicitly backed up by a hadith. Is there no explanation of the number? In other texts? In Khomeini's book? In Nawawi's works?
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Muslims. Muslim scholars use this Hadith for write collection of forty Hadith books. So, the author of the article refereed to the Hadith that mentioned in the Al-Khisal. I think that the sentence has grammar issue and is better rewrite.
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he wants to give a controversial hadith he says that the chain is strong, nothing more. Even there he does not discuss the chain. So discussing the chain is useless for this book because the author did not intend for it to be discussed.
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the quote is in itself a tradition and present in many books of tradition. It may be present in the Khisal, but still it does not specify any number etc. So saying that it inspired people to gather hadith in groups of forty is pure
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just how is one supposed to know that a DYK is in process? Furthermore there are no rules saying that an article cannot be edited while it is going through DYK. Thirdly anyone can edit this article. Better read the policy at
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There is a strong tradition in Islam that any Muslim learns and memorizes at least forty sayings transmitted (Hadith) from the Prophet Muhammad. So, in different period of time, scholars gathered 40 Hadiths in different
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about the clarifying the sentence, you are right, he says those scholar confirm the Accuracy of Hadithes! about the quote i have explaned my reason at your talk page, isn't it better to put this on the article
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i decided to add one Hadith of the book to the article. we write article to introduce the book, isn't it? so the attaching one Hadith of the book do this job in the best way. I would never do that to decorate
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A source is needed to show that AL KHISAL is a book of just forty hadith and not a book of 1000. Furthermore a source is required to show that Al-Khisal was motivated by the hadith which mentions the number
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shows that it is not a book of forty hadith at all, rather it has more than 1000. Furthermore there is no mention of this book being the inspiration behind the said genre of hadith. So this information is a
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I don't understand this consequence; you cannot possibly discount all Shia sources? You would, for neutrality, also have to forbid Sunni sources, and who else writes about the popularity of Islamic books?
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I said your information is incomplete. If Shaykh‐i Bahāʾī's book is not most popular book of this genre, who has popular book? It is your opinion and we must the sources based on Knowledge (XXG)'s rules.
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is one version of the book. Imam khomeini wrote the book by this style, first explained the chain of narrator, then nominated to Hadith and finally he gathered his personal interpretation. According to
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Thanks for letting me in! Well, what I see here are two reliable sources exactly supporting the claim that the tradition of authoring 40 Hadiths books stems from a Hadith by the prophet of Islam. 1)
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of The Encyclopaedia of Islam, New Edition: Supplement, Parts 1-2. I saw this relation at other sources but they are more reliable. Because you can't read sources in persian, I found
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You're welcome. Although Nawawi's book is a pioneer of the genre, it's not regarded as a motivation for others, rather it is the very Hadith by the prophet motivating the Muslims.
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Husseini and published by the Islamic Republic of Iran’s cultural attaché in Turkey. It has also been translated into English and Urdu’’’ have nothing to do with the background.
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done like that. We're not doubting the hadith itself, of course, but we're looking for a source that relates the '40' in this hadith to the '40' in many hadith collections. --
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I reinstated that explanation, as from my perspective it is not obvious where this number is coming from. Sorry for not bringing it up here on the talk page beforehand. --
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is not present in either of your sources, rather one of the sources given says that this book is not the motivation, rather names another work as the motivation. Regards
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Your questions are clearly showing that, in my opinion. There's no problem with that. Not all users are expert in all subjects! I explain them for copy editor and solve.
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The motivation for Islamic scholars to compile collections of forty hadith into books goes back to Al-Khisal ("The Book of Characters"), written by Al-Shaykh al-Saduq.
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I'm sorry for the late in response. I found thiese source that indicate the '40' in this hadith of Mohammad prophet is related to the '40' in many hadith collections,
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The motivation for Islamic scholars to compile collections of forty hadith into books goes back to Al-Khisal ("The Book of Characters"), written by Al-Shaykh al-Saduq.
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The motivation for Islamic scholars to compile collections of forty hadith into books goes back to Al-Khisal ("The Book of Characters"), written by Al-Shaykh al-Saduq.
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There is no need for a reception section, as there is nothing to put in there. Translations may be an accurate section heading to use, but reception is just not OK.
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You would have to convince both FreeatlastChitchat and me, or else the arguments continue between us two. I'm happy to help. Let's work towards consensus. Cheers,
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I must admit that I do not see how the quote corroborates the article. It is nice to have quotes, but not just as decoration. --
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