510:
institutions such as the
British Embassy, and Hotel Adlon. This article refers to a particular street and the structures situated along it, and are only indirectly and historically related to the Foreign Office. The strong history of the street as the former centre of the German government including buildings such as the Reich Chancellery, Kaiserhof Hotel, and other important property. It is unfair to relate and compare Wilhemstrasse with its broad and rich history and present significance, with the foreign office of Germany. Through doing this you are creating a narrow perspective and singularly associating the entire street with a single government institution. The separate subjects are only distantly related, it would be disproportionate to merge these two articles.
638:
74:
22:
53:
84:
179:
477:: maybe not the whole article should be merged, but the parts of the history of the foreign office should be merged into here. If there is a source for the 'in grandiose style' ;-). The article of the street should link to the other articles were the history is explained. And the article of the street should be limeted to the 'monument'.
158:
468:
there with several other ministries (Reich
Chancellery) and organisations. (To give google links are IMO no source because it's a selfsource with very often hits on en:wiki and the ffo own edited books. Like other stats 2,420,000 for "foreign office" and 68,500 for "federal foreign office" or some article
467:
Thanks for answering on my statement at your talkpage. You are right the official given name is federal foreign office (ffo) but in wikipedia common names should be used. You are right wilhelmstraße is a street and is known for its existence. But IMHO it's known because the foreign office was located
759:
If we decide to go with an approach like this, then we should keep "Federal
Foreign Office", but it should only cover the period from its formation under Adenauer. Everything else should be split off into another article covering the predecessor organization, under one of the titles suggested above
580:
Agree it's too long, but don't believe it should be split into a new article. What it needs most of all, is some better organization, and the addition of some subsection headers to provide logical, thematic separation. A lot of the stuff concerning
Wilhelm and not really relevant to the Foreign
555:
The history section is turning into an essay rather than an encyclopedic text. It goes on at length, on page after page, about 19th century recruitment practices. While this is in itself interesting, it is far too detailed for this article and needs to be summarized more briefly. If someone feels
897:
A couple of paragraphs seems more than enough to cover the history of the
Foreign Office under Wilhelm II, at least given the current length of the article and the weight given to other sections. Some of the current content consists of overly-long quotations which should either be summarized and
564:
would be a better solution. Similarly, the article goes on at length about how
William II took pleasure in homoerotic spectacles and humiliated members of his court, offering many and detailed examples. This is even more peripheral to the Foreign Office and needs to be summarized more briefly.
688:
In addition, there should perhaps be a "Terminology" or "Naming" section, where various different versions of the name over time could be discussed, such as for example, "Imperial
Foreign Office" where this term only makes unambiguous sense in the context of a book about Germany (or Japan, or
509:
There is no direct relationship between an important and historical street with the German
Foreign Office. Wilhelmstrasse was the German equivalent of Whitehall before the Second World War, however many important government buildings were destroyed during the conflict; the street maintains
605:
I believe this article should be entitled, "Foreign Office (Germany)" or "Federal
Foreign Office (Germany)" or even, "German Foreign Office" but not plain "Federal Foreign Office". (You could even make a case for keeping the title in German, in which case the title would be
894:, very little of which is directly related to the Foreign Office, which leaves the article seeming fuzzy, or about two different topics. I plan to remove anything in the Wilhelm II section that doesn't pertain, which means cutting out the majority of that section.
384:, however, on English WP (and all WP for that matter I guess), we don't go by translations from the native language into English; we go by what is the most prevalent English usage, or the English name for the article subject. If you look at the
358:( = Foreign Office) and the former headquarter was located in Wilhelmstraße (<- German spelling :P). By the way I'm not so happy with this page move exactly because of this problem, now it will be much more harder to merge the article.
971:
335:
It will also involve some intricate phrasing. The actual subject of this article is the
Foreign Ministry of the Federal Republic, which never has been on the Wilhelmstrasse, and is only rarely so called.
411:
408:
405:
1195:
229:
219:
472:(from a independent German source) also quite unuseful, I think.) wp naming is a very hard and difficult case. Not all articles of places, people or events go by their official name.
1200:
1190:
972:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150619071435/http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/68749-150423-armenian-church-prepares-to-canonize-up-to-1-5-million-genocide-victims
682:
195:
975:
266:
It may dispose of the silly war over whether to spell it with an esszett (English doesn't), by drowning the issue in something actually useful to the Encyclopedia.
1113:
1109:
1095:
1003:
999:
985:
186:
163:
674:
1180:
738:
Having two articles like this, one for a historical organization and another for its modern counterpart is not at all unusual. Consider for example,
658:
458:; all of these are terms which in some usage may have another meaning, but first and foremost they are an independent, notable entity on their own. --
130:
434:
is an article on the Street; a street with its own history; a history which does not apply to the Federal Foreign Office. Much in the same way that
140:
898:
removed, quoted more briefly, or perhaps partly moved to quotes in footnotes. Possibly some of the content could be moved into the article on
317:
is on the Foreign Ministry; but anything is better than this move war with editors who show no sign of understanding that English does not use
1185:
1175:
858:
678:
1081:
976:
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/68749-150423-armenian-church-prepares-to-canonize-up-to-1-5-million-genocide-victims
717:
Another approach might be to split the article into two, considering that this article is really about two separate topics namely, the
517:
106:
1091:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
981:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
819:
495:
is a street known for housing many different government offices and embassies. Why should they be merged? They are not the same.
890:
This article is supposed to be about the foreign ministry of Germany. However, there is extensive content (1,607 words) about
773:
I think it should be called the German Federal Foreign Office, as that is what it is always called in real life, even by them.
557:
626:. You'll even hear the official term in English in some formal settings, but nobody would argue that it's the common name.
961:
921:
I would agree with this. The article has massively too much history and significantly not enough about current activities.
97:
58:
561:
1156:
1046:
747:
33:
812:
British Documents on Foreign Affairs--reports and Papers from the Foreign Office Confidential Print: Germany, 1909-1914
802:
751:
670:
623:
743:
541:
482:
363:
304:
1112:
to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
1002:
to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
654:
646:
565:
Extensive coverage of William's behaviour belongs in his article or an article about the Imperial-Royal court.
21:
1147:
1073:
1037:
953:
570:
521:
191:
673:. Article titles for several German ministries are titled with parenthetical disambiguation, for example:
1069:
1065:
945:
891:
739:
1131:
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
1119:
1021:
If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with
1009:
634:
39:
1082:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120311013032/http://israelcfr.com/documents/5-1/5-1-8-MosheZimmermann.pdf
1072:. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit
952:. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit
854:. Schriftenreihe der Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte, 109. Munich: De Gruyter Oldenbourg. p. 40.
630:
537:
513:
478:
455:
359:
341:
326:
300:
287:
271:
806:
662:
615:
The current title "Federal Foreign Office" doesn't even specify what country we are talking about.
194:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
105:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
907:
765:
705:
694:
650:
642:
622:, which clearly uses the common name, even though the official name of the country in English is
590:
566:
1116:
before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template
1006:
before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template
608:
1132:
1085:
1022:
815:. John F. V. Keiger. Frederick, Maryland: University Publications of America. pp. 70, 72, 154.
926:
864:
855:
825:
816:
778:
447:
393:
849:
666:
1139:
1029:
500:
385:
337:
322:
283:
267:
962:
https://web.archive.org/web/20130824090001/http://www.bundeshaushalt-info.de/startseite/
1098:, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by
988:, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by
492:
443:
431:
314:
252:
89:
1138:
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
1028:
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with
1169:
918:
903:
761:
701:
690:
586:
459:
414:
469:
922:
774:
1161:
1051:
930:
911:
782:
709:
594:
574:
545:
525:
504:
486:
462:
417:
367:
345:
330:
308:
291:
275:
810:
491:
The Federal Foreign Office is one specific institution of the German government,
1105:
995:
965:
729:
Republic of Germany, to the present. (Or three topics, taking into account the
451:
435:
1104:. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
994:. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
899:
582:
496:
413:. Moving the page to the current title will not affect any merging efforts. --
79:
73:
52:
867:
828:
649:. In other countries, there seems to be a preference for the version using
556:
this topic is worthy of extensive coverage, a separate main article on the
725:
Foreign Office" as the successor organization that formed as part of the
619:
618:
This is somewhat analogous to the situation with the Knowledge article
581:
Office should be taken out, and considered for merger into the article
102:
902:, if relevant and not already covered. Anything else should be cut.
665:, and the full article titles underlying the links in the tables at
470:
German Foreign Office comes out in favor of Open Document Format
439:
178:
157:
721:
or Foreign Office from 1871 through the end of WW II, and the "
15:
1086:
http://israelcfr.com/documents/5-1/5-1-8-MosheZimmermann.pdf
282:
I've removed the merge tags, since the idea got no support.
733:
section below, but that's not relevant to this discussion.)
1076:
for additional information. I made the following changes:
956:
for additional information. I made the following changes:
313:
It will mean a long subsection, only a sentence or two of
949:
848:
Hürter, Johannes; Mayer, Michael (11 December 2014).
689:
Russia), or in German, "Kaiserliche Auswärtige Amt".
653:
in some other, similar ministries: see for example:
190:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
101:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
1108:using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
998:using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
683:Federal Ministry of Food and Agriculture (Germany)
259:This is probably the primary meaning of the name
1196:Top-importance International relations articles
1094:This message was posted before February 2018.
984:This message was posted before February 2018.
536:Del merger, I think nobody want it but me ;-)
966:http://www.bundeshaushalt-info.de/startseite/
204:Knowledge:WikiProject International relations
8:
1201:WikiProject International relations articles
1191:Start-Class International relations articles
207:Template:WikiProject International relations
19:
1064:I have just modified one external link on
675:Federal Ministry of the Interior (Germany)
152:
47:
944:I have just modified 2 external links on
663:Ministry of Defence#Ministries of defence
659:List of health departments and ministries
398:Ministère fédéral des Affaires étrangères
372:In German, the ministry may be known as
793:
558:history of the Foreign Office (Germany)
154:
49:
851:Das Auswärtige Amt in der NS-Diktatur
438:is an article on the street, not the
7:
679:Federal Ministry of Health (Germany)
299:with readding the {merger} template
184:This article is within the scope of
95:This article is within the scope of
562:recruitment of diplomats in Germany
187:WikiProject International relations
38:It is of interest to the following
601:Rename to Foreign Office (Germany)
454:is an article on the complex, not
14:
1068:. Please take a moment to review
948:. Please take a moment to review
446:is an article on the street, not
255:be merged here; for two reasons:
1181:High-importance Germany articles
210:International relations articles
177:
156:
82:
72:
51:
20:
224:This article has been rated as
135:This article has been rated as
1052:04:47, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
730:
629:As a title, we should use the
575:07:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
1:
643:parenthetically disambiguated
404:is prevalent as evidenced at
276:06:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
198:and see a list of open tasks.
115:Knowledge:WikiProject Germany
109:and see a list of open tasks.
1186:WikiProject Germany articles
1176:Start-Class Germany articles
1162:22:03, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
748:Office of Strategic Services
697:) 20:32, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
651:parenthetical disambiguation
292:19:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
118:Template:WikiProject Germany
931:17:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
783:17:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
752:Central Intelligence Agency
671:Ministry of Foreign Affairs
624:Federal Republic of Germany
388:, they call themselves the
1217:
1125:(last update: 5 June 2024)
1061:Hello fellow Wikipedians,
1015:(last update: 5 June 2024)
941:Hello fellow Wikipedians,
912:06:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
744:U.S. Department of Defense
710:20:09, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
595:20:45, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
546:10:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
230:project's importance scale
141:project's importance scale
612:, currently a redirect.)
551:Length of history section
526:20:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
505:23:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
487:22:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
463:21:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
418:21:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
368:20:17, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
350:The German title for the
346:19:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
331:19:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
309:10:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
223:
172:
134:
67:
46:
655:Ministry of Home Affairs
647:Foreign Office (Germany)
1057:External links modified
937:External links modified
396:, they call themselves
201:International relations
192:International relations
164:International relations
1066:Federal Foreign Office
946:Federal Foreign Office
750:and its successor the
742:and its successor the
740:U.S. Department of War
402:Federal Foreign Office
390:Federal Foreign Office
352:Federal Foreign Office
28:This article is rated
635:German Foreign Office
1106:regular verification
996:regular verification
807:Watt, Donald Cameron
456:Government of Russia
1096:After February 2018
986:After February 2018
475:But back to merging
386:FFO English website
98:WikiProject Germany
1150:InternetArchiveBot
1101:InternetArchiveBot
1040:InternetArchiveBot
991:InternetArchiveBot
34:content assessment
1126:
1016:
860:978-3-11-034543-8
801:Bourne, Kenneth;
713:
712:
528:
516:comment added by
448:10 Downing Street
344:
329:
290:
274:
244:
243:
240:
239:
236:
235:
151:
150:
147:
146:
1208:
1160:
1151:
1124:
1123:
1102:
1050:
1041:
1014:
1013:
992:
878:
877:
875:
874:
845:
839:
838:
836:
835:
803:Stevenson, David
798:
699:
698:
667:Justice ministry
511:
340:
325:
286:
270:
212:
211:
208:
205:
202:
181:
174:
173:
168:
160:
153:
123:
122:
121:Germany articles
119:
116:
113:
92:
87:
86:
85:
76:
69:
68:
63:
55:
48:
31:
25:
24:
16:
1216:
1215:
1211:
1210:
1209:
1207:
1206:
1205:
1166:
1165:
1154:
1149:
1117:
1110:have permission
1100:
1074:this simple FaQ
1059:
1044:
1039:
1007:
1000:have permission
990:
954:this simple FaQ
939:
888:
883:
882:
881:
872:
870:
861:
847:
846:
842:
833:
831:
822:
800:
799:
795:
760:or some other.
719:Auswärtiges Amt
609:Auswärtiges Amt
603:
560:or even on the
553:
538:Sebastian scha.
479:Sebastian scha.
400:. The usage of
376:, and this may
374:Auswärtiges Amt
360:Sebastian scha.
356:Auswärtiges Amt
338:Septentrionalis
323:Septentrionalis
301:Sebastian scha.
284:Septentrionalis
268:Septentrionalis
251:I suggest that
249:
209:
206:
203:
200:
199:
166:
137:High-importance
120:
117:
114:
111:
110:
88:
83:
81:
62:High‑importance
61:
32:on Knowledge's
29:
12:
11:
5:
1214:
1212:
1204:
1203:
1198:
1193:
1188:
1183:
1178:
1168:
1167:
1144:
1143:
1136:
1089:
1088:
1080:Added archive
1058:
1055:
1034:
1033:
1026:
979:
978:
970:Added archive
968:
960:Added archive
938:
935:
934:
933:
887:
884:
880:
879:
859:
840:
820:
792:
791:
787:
786:
785:
770:
769:
756:
755:
735:
734:
602:
599:
598:
597:
552:
549:
534:
533:
532:
531:
530:
529:
507:
493:Wilhelmstrasse
473:
444:Downing Street
432:Wilhelmstrasse
426:
425:
424:
423:
422:
421:
420:
382:Foreign Office
315:Wilhelmstrasse
311:
297:Strong support
294:
279:
278:
264:
253:Wilhelmstrasse
248:
245:
242:
241:
238:
237:
234:
233:
226:Top-importance
222:
216:
215:
213:
196:the discussion
182:
170:
169:
167:Top‑importance
161:
149:
148:
145:
144:
133:
127:
126:
124:
107:the discussion
94:
93:
90:Germany portal
77:
65:
64:
56:
44:
43:
37:
26:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
1213:
1202:
1199:
1197:
1194:
1192:
1189:
1187:
1184:
1182:
1179:
1177:
1174:
1173:
1171:
1164:
1163:
1158:
1153:
1152:
1141:
1137:
1134:
1130:
1129:
1128:
1121:
1115:
1111:
1107:
1103:
1097:
1092:
1087:
1083:
1079:
1078:
1077:
1075:
1071:
1067:
1062:
1056:
1054:
1053:
1048:
1043:
1042:
1031:
1027:
1024:
1020:
1019:
1018:
1011:
1005:
1001:
997:
993:
987:
982:
977:
973:
969:
967:
963:
959:
958:
957:
955:
951:
947:
942:
936:
932:
928:
924:
920:
916:
915:
914:
913:
909:
905:
901:
895:
893:
885:
869:
866:
862:
857:
853:
852:
844:
841:
830:
827:
823:
821:9780890936108
818:
814:
813:
808:
804:
797:
794:
790:
784:
780:
776:
772:
771:
767:
763:
758:
757:
753:
749:
745:
741:
737:
736:
732:
728:
724:
720:
716:
715:
714:
711:
707:
703:
696:
692:
686:
684:
680:
676:
672:
668:
664:
660:
656:
652:
648:
644:
640:
636:
632:
627:
625:
621:
616:
613:
611:
610:
600:
596:
592:
588:
584:
579:
578:
577:
576:
572:
568:
567:Tadeusz Nowak
563:
559:
550:
548:
547:
543:
539:
527:
523:
519:
515:
508:
506:
502:
498:
494:
490:
489:
488:
484:
480:
476:
471:
466:
465:
464:
461:
457:
453:
449:
445:
441:
437:
433:
430:
427:
419:
416:
412:
409:
406:
403:
399:
395:
391:
387:
383:
379:
375:
371:
370:
369:
365:
361:
357:
353:
349:
348:
347:
343:
339:
334:
333:
332:
328:
324:
320:
319:Wilhelmstraße
316:
312:
310:
306:
302:
298:
295:
293:
289:
285:
281:
280:
277:
273:
269:
265:
262:
258:
257:
256:
254:
246:
231:
227:
221:
218:
217:
214:
197:
193:
189:
188:
183:
180:
176:
175:
171:
165:
162:
159:
155:
142:
138:
132:
129:
128:
125:
108:
104:
100:
99:
91:
80:
78:
75:
71:
70:
66:
60:
57:
54:
50:
45:
41:
35:
27:
23:
18:
17:
1148:
1145:
1120:source check
1099:
1093:
1090:
1063:
1060:
1038:
1035:
1010:source check
989:
983:
980:
943:
940:
896:
889:
871:. Retrieved
850:
843:
832:. Retrieved
811:
796:
788:
726:
722:
718:
687:
628:
617:
614:
607:
604:
554:
535:
518:84.67.185.80
474:
428:
401:
397:
389:
381:
377:
373:
355:
351:
321:or why not.
318:
296:
260:
250:
225:
185:
136:
96:
40:WikiProjects
892:#Wilhelm II
700:Updated by
631:common name
512:—Preceding
452:The Kremlin
436:Wall Street
30:Start-class
1170:Categories
1157:Report bug
1047:Report bug
900:Wilhelm II
873:2017-03-30
834:2017-03-30
789:References
731:#Unfocused
583:Wilhelm II
450:; and the
342:PMAnderson
327:PMAnderson
288:PMAnderson
272:PMAnderson
261:in English
1140:this tool
1133:this tool
1030:this tool
1023:this tool
886:Unfocused
868:897042389
829:165474208
746:; or the
392:, and in
378:translate
1146:Cheers.—
1036:Cheers.—
919:Mathglot
904:Mathglot
809:(1990).
762:Mathglot
702:Mathglot
691:Mathglot
645:version
633:such as
587:Mathglot
514:unsigned
460:Россавиа
415:Россавиа
1070:my edit
950:my edit
923:CT55555
775:CT55555
727:Federal
723:Federal
641:or the
620:Germany
263:anyway;
228:on the
139:on the
112:Germany
103:Germany
59:Germany
639:ngrams
429:Oppose
394:French
247:Merger
36:scale.
681:, or
637:(see
497:Udibi
927:talk
908:talk
865:OCLC
856:ISBN
826:OCLC
817:ISBN
779:talk
766:talk
706:talk
695:talk
669:and
591:talk
571:talk
542:talk
522:talk
501:talk
483:talk
440:NYSE
410:and
364:talk
305:talk
131:High
1114:RfC
1084:to
1004:RfC
974:to
964:to
407:,
380:to
354:is
220:Top
1172::
1127:.
1122:}}
1118:{{
1017:.
1012:}}
1008:{{
929:)
910:)
863:.
824:.
805:;
781:)
708:)
685:.
677:,
661:,
657:,
593:)
585:.
573:)
544:)
524:)
503:)
485:)
442:;
366:)
307:)
1159:)
1155:(
1142:.
1135:.
1049:)
1045:(
1032:.
1025:.
925:(
917:@
906:(
876:.
837:.
777:(
768:)
764:(
754:.
704:(
693:(
589:(
569:(
540:(
520:(
499:(
481:(
362:(
303:(
232:.
143:.
42::
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.
