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cinnamon flavor". Regarding the definition of 'liqueur', I think it is important to consider that the definition used in a law may somewhat differ from the definition in common widespread usage. Few people are familiar with strict legal definitions, and
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alcohol board, for classification. The TTB classifies a liqueur as being produced from spirits in combination with fruits, flowers, plants, juices, or natural flavors and with the addition of at least 2.5% by weight of certain sugars. Per the TTB Fireball does not meet the definition of a liqueur. They are required by law to be labeled with a truthful statement of composition in this case
Fireball is ‘Whisky with artificial flavors”. As 99% of Fireball sales are in the United States we look at the TTB as the governing and deciding factor in classifying this product.
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some of these products are not whiskey, so the only similarity they have is the utilization of some type of cinnamon flavoring. Cinnamon is very common so this opens up ‘similar products’ to anything. 3) This section seems a target for black hat SEO techniques in such that brands are linking to their products to capitalize on
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That it is a Whisky base is also true. It really straddles two different product categories I think. I would caution, however, that all of the foregoing is mere opinion, and is totally unclouded by any other facts or personal experience (tasting) of the product. Of course, the latter would probably be deemed
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dominant usage in Canada generally. To U.S. eyes, "flavour" and "colour" are distinctly foreign looking, while "whisky" is acceptable and is used on some U.S. products. This is presumably why the manufacturer uses "flavor" on the label (at least in the U.S., where most of the product seems to be sold). —
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I’ve been struggling with the similar products section as featured on this page. It is really not here in good faith. 1) No other alcohol brand has this section and if they did we would have to simultaneously update similar products for each flavoring agent and each upcoming product on the market. 2)
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very closely associated with the product currently). I personally suggest that we follow what the manufacturer seems to be doing and use "whisky" and "flavor", and thus presumably "color". I have the impression that "flavor" and "color" are reasonably acceptable in
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See below, as I’ve gone through the list of similar products. Many do not have citations and are made with a very different base. The only distinguishable similarity is the use of cinnamon. I feel if we define similar by one flavoring agent then nearly every page would have links to multiple brands.
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Fireball Cinnamon Whisky would be a more accurate page title for this product. I am not as familiar with the intricacies of Knowledge (XXG), would you look into doing the history merge? Knowing Fireball pretty well from a bar sense, I feel like people will mostly be looking for Fireball
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The above comment was a reaction to an edit that I made, partly because my edit summary may not have been very clear. I don't actually have any complaint about the reference to the lyrics, although I think it's not entirely clear that the lyric is referring to this particular branded product. (Some
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that use that phrase to refer to the product? The sources that you provided above do not say that. (One of them is a dead link.) I also looked at photos of labels, and all I found were photos of labels that said it is "liqueur" or "liqueur blended with cinnamon & whisky" or "whisky with natural
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Zinamom Vodka - vodka base. The first citation goes to a listings page with mentions of possible recipes. There is no brand information, ingredients, or mention of Fireball. The second citation talks about a Latvian release of Stoli vodka flavors. This has no relevance to Fireball. The only
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Fireball is classified as a "whisky with artificial flavors". In the United States the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau has specific labeling requirements for each product and how they are classified. We should defer to the TTB, the regulatory
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At first blush, I think it's a liquer. That it is so denominated in at least some of the countries in which it is sold ought to be given some weight. We are not strictly speaking a U.S.-oriented publication. I note the competitive products and the use of flavoring support that interpretation.
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Hot Rose - this is a tequila base, the product is also dairy inspired whereas Fireball is certainly not. Again, there are sales phrases here talking about product packaging. This really does not belong on Fireball’s page but should be on their own page. The citation has absolutely no mention of
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Hey BP. I can agree with your verbiage "mixture of whisky, cinnamon flavoring and sweeteners". Although we disagree slightly on this matter I like seeing we can come to a mutual place. Let me know which links above are dead because they work on my end - I will update or add another if you have
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I went through most of the related products section and looked at the citations. None of them had Fireball Whisky mentions, rather there were links to company websites, and a few blog posts talking about cinnamon as a flavoring agent. I went into a virtual reality page and went to see if they
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Jose Cuervo Cinge - product is a tequila base, not whiskey. One citation discusses a $ 10 million ad campaign but no mention of Fireball, just the ad agency. This citation reads more of a an advertisement for the ad agency. Citation two discusses assorted flavored tequilas with one sentence
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Perhaps the U.S. label doesn't say "liqueur" on it. But that doesn't mean that the product is not a liqueur. It just means that the manufacturer chose not to print that word on the label. The U.S. label says "Whisky with ". The proper term for whisky mixed with sweeteners and flavourings is
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Becherovka - citation is Thrillist article where bartenders talk about what could be the next ‘Fireball’ as in the next big thing. Should every brand who gets mentioned as wanting to be the next Fireball deserve a place on the Fireball page? This should be a place to learn about Fireball.
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that text is there, I do agree that it's almost all useless. At best, it's people just adding stuff with sources that either don't mention Fireball or mention it because they want to be considered alternatives, and at worst, yep, it's the producers themselves advertising their stuff and
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That's kind of a tough question. It's a product of a company that's headquartered in the U.S. and it is highly prominent and heavily marketed in the U.S., but it's a product that originated in Canada and is made with Canadian whisky. And its label uses "whisky" rather than "whiskey".
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I propose we add a link to flavored liquors (if we must) which I have updated to include cinnamon liquors. This page feels more appropriate as it is a collection of liquor brands with flavoring agents, rather than a single product page.
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To the extent that it is a trade name, maybe the article should be renamed as Fireball Whisky (liquer) or even Fireball Cinnamon Whisky (liquer). I am not trying to confuse anyone, and obviously own no stock in this company. Or as
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In my view, the mere fact that some other articles don't have a similar section doesn't mean that this article shouldn't. I won't necessarily argue that the whole section is great and well sourced, but I don't see anything wrong
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This product was formerly branded as Dr. McGillicuddy's Fireball Whisky Shooter, a hot cinnamon flavoured corn whiskey. It was (and still is) produced and bottled in Quebec, Canada, and distributed by the Sazerac Company.
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Peligroso Cinnamon Tequila - this product has a tequila base, not whiskey. The mention of 100% blue agave is a sales phrase and doesn’t belong on this page. The link has no mention of Fireball and is just a product launch
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It is incorrect to call Fireball Whisky a liqueur. It is flavored but it is a whisky base. This page is the only real thing calling it a liqueur, but there is no real reason to call it a liqueur rather than liquor.
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Tennessee Fire - this is definitely a similar product to Fireball. I would think if we include TN fire on this page then we would need to include a similar products section about Fireball on the TN Fire
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Fireball is not actually a liqueur but is a cinnamon whisky. It is made using Canadian Whisky. Would anyone be opposed to changing this?
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