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person or persons to come up with a sources saying otherwise. If people question whether the event actually happened reliable sources should be easy to find saying that. They did not at anytime come up with anything saying it didn't happen. This isn't a place for original research or other items. I am not at a location right now where I can address all your items, but many of your items are taking things out of context, OR and not AGF. Just the sections talking about
Bonaventure show an agenda. I said Bonaventure wasn't being used. I was correct. He is not the source that is being referenced. Whether other people use his account or not isn't what is being addressed. The complaint was about primary vs. secondary source. Primary would be Bonaventure, secondary is someone other then Bonaventure. Second I said he was a comtemporary. That is true. I didn't say he was a companion. That is two different things. He was alive when many of the people that were companions of St. Francis were still alive. Thus he could interview those people and get information from them. What it comes down to is much of what you are saying is OR. In order to insert anything you need a valid RS that calls the event in question. The original people did not provide anything. Pure and simple, provide what you want the changes to be with the appropriate sources. Right now this entire thing is only a couple of sentences in the entire article.
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Mahomet for Christâs sake, then light a big fire and I will go into it with your priests. That will show you which faith is more sure and more holy." To that the sultan replied, "I do not think that any of my priests would be willing to expose himself to the flames just to defend his faith, or suffer any kind of torture" (he had just caught a glimpse of one of his priests, an old and highly esteemed man, who slipped away the moment he heard Francisâ proposal). Then Francis continued, "If you are prepared to promise me that you and your people will embrace the Christian religion, if I come out of the fire unharmed, I will enter it alone. But if I am burned, you must attribute it to my sins; on the other hand, if God saves me by his power, you must acknowledge âChrist the power of God, Christ the wisdom of Godâ (cf. 1 Cor 1, 24) as true God, the Lord and Savior of all." The sultan replied that he would not dare to accept a choice like that, for fear of a revolt among his people.
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conducive to consensus-building. All you have to do is to explain your point of view and support it in any way you can. Regarding choosing a painting simply because it was painted closer in time to when St. Francis lived does not mean it was an accurate depiction of him. This type of painting could be included in a gallery, though. I agree with
Hafspajen that an image that shows St. Francis receiving the stigmata would be appropriate because he is known for that. Other considerations for the lead image are that it should be visually stunning, at least somewhat comprehensible to most readers, including children, and illustrative of his life and work. An image that looks like a Byzantine icon would not meet the second and third of these criteria. There are a number of paintings that would be good, but I like the current lead image.
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Francis to ride because he had a great honor and respect for his bother. However, Leonardoâs social standings got in the way. This caused a great divide in the family. Saint Francis was not able to keep a strong relationship with his brother although he made many attempts. His brother as well as many others had great concerns about the way he wanted to run their religious order. At the time his principals were unheard of and his brother did not think his way of running things would work. Francis departure from Italy changed him and his family for better or worse irreversibly. After a long absence many believed him to be dead. He went on to help many people in his life despite his falling out with his family. He suffered from ailments that proved to be very harmful to his health.
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could become a knight. The first way was the normal course of action for the son of a noble: When a boy was eight years old, he was sent to the neighboring castle where he was trained as a page. The boy was usually the son of a knight or of a member of the aristocracy. He spent most of his time strengthening his body, wrestling and riding horses. He also learned how to fight with a spear and a sword. He practiced against a wooden dummy called a quintain. It was essentially a heavy sack or dummy in the form of a human. It was hung on a wooden pole along with a shield. The young page had to hit the shield in its center. When hit, the whole structure would spin around and around. The page had to maneuver away quickly without getting hit (The
Medieval knight, 2003).
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Francis in a characteristic gesture of generosity invited the knight to dinner and, before the evening was out, he had given the knight a whole new knight outfit. Francis joined
Gentile on the expedition but it didnât last very long. Francis had a dream the first day on the expedition. An unknown voice asked Francis where he wanted to go. When Francis explained his plans, the voice asked, who can do more good for you, the lord or the servant? Francis replied the lord; the voice told him he was abandoning the lord for the servant, the patron for the client. The voice told Francis to go back to his land and what he needs to do will be told to him later. Francis abandoned the expedition and went back home (Galli, 2002).
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but these were not acquired until 1934. Whether or not he was familiar with the iconography, Chesterton's version â minus the melodrama â is well attested: Sassetta's brief for the panels is dated 1439; Benozzo
Gozzoli's frescos at S. Francesco, Montefalco were painted in 1452. In neither case, however, is there any justification for talk of Francis "fling himself into the fire" as Chesterton has it: Sassetta shows Francis advancing one foot into the fire whereas Gozzoli has the saint with both feet firmly inside. Chesterton theatrical heightening of an already heightened episode, together with the vague "some say", renders him useless as RS for this incident.
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adopted his teachings and began to spread the word of the lord. Catherine later changed her name to Agnes. She believed in his teachings so much she allowed physical harm to herself to promote his teachings. She was viciously dragged through the mud and beaten in the name of the lord. Saint
Francis arranged for the two sisters, Clare and a friend of her mothers to stay permanently at San Domiano. He gave her the blessings and support she needed and with her families help she took on fifty nuns. As the group grew they became âsistersâ and they began to spread his ways even further. He was an inspiration and with his help the word of the lord was spread.
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squire in service to a knight. His duties included dressing the knight in the morning, serving all of the knightâs meals, caring for the knightâs horse, and cleaning the knightâs armor and weapons. He followed the knight to tournaments and assisted his lord on the battlefield. A squire also prepared himself by learning how to handle a sword and lance while wearing forty pounds of armor and riding a horse. When he was about twenty, a squire could become a knight after proving himself worthy (The
Medieval knight, 2003). Francis didnât have to play the role of a squire his name alone got him in the position next to count Gentile.
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1916:. The Franciscan role at the Holy Places is necessarily a Catholic one and has no reference to the various Orthodox Christian Churches represented there. The next question is: recognized by whom as "custodians"? Important concessions were granted to the Franciscans by the Mameluke Sultan in 1333 regarding (a) the Holy Sepulchre at Jerusalem and (b) in Bethlehem, but these were not exclusive of the claims of other non-Catholic Christians. In 1335 Christian donors purchased land on Mount Zion and the Franciscans rebuilt the ruined Cenacle. (on all this, see Tolan, pp.259ff)
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alive in the 1100s. Many of the newer "sources" tend to rewrite history based on their particular want for St. Francis. They tend to turn him into a animal loving hippy when that is far from what he was. As for getting a college textbook view on this, I don't tend to have access to those types of sources. But the fact this event happened is in numerous contempory sources so I still don't see what the problem is. I honestly think more time should be spent on this article sourcing things that haven't been sourced.
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Anglican church recognizes many of the Saints that the
Catholic church recognizes, especially those that were declared Saint before any splits. Just a quick search will reveal several Anglican churches named for St. Francis of Assisi. The difference between putting Anglican and putting "All Christians" is that most Christian churches don't recognize Saints period. They may recognize St. Francis as a holy man, but they don't "Venerate" him. Re-write what you want to add and keep it to just the facts.
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see that he knows no more than Jacques de Vitry of the proposal said to have been made by Francis to pass through a fire if the priests of Mahomet would do as much, intending so to establish the superiority of Christianity. We know how little such an appeal to signs is characteristic of St. Francis. Perhaps the story, which comes from Bonaventura, is born of a misconception. The sultan, like a new Pharaoh, may have laid it upon the strange preacher to prove his mission by miracles.
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best to follow the teachings of the lord. However, he was not known for his learning styles. He was never thought to be a well educated man and many thought he was unintelligent. He was a spoiled boy who got away with many things and eventually disowned his father. He took pride in the lordâs words and never gave up spreading his teachings. He believed that he should always try to make more of his life and commit himself to God. He refused to others stop him on his path to God.
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1734:. . it was at that interview that he evidently offered, and as some say proceeded, to fling himself into the fire as a divine ordeal, defying the Moslem religious teachers to do the same. It is quite certain that he would have done so at a moment's notice. Indeed throwing himself into the fire was hardly more desperate, in any case, than throwing himself among the weapons and tools of torture of a horde of fanatical Mahometans and asking them to renounce Mahomet.
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removed unless some other valid and reliable source can be given, or unless it is recast as a legend (see below), or unless the article is put in balance by reference to criticisms of the historicity of the incident as made by, e.g., Sabatier. The article does not reference Bonaventure here although all accounts of the incident derive from him, so it is imperative to see how reliable he is. The article impliedly addresses his hagiographical bias under
1588:) Based on an IP editor's request I don't see a need to update something that is already sourced. Nothing has been called into question about the sources other then their age. No reliable source has been put forward that shows this didn't happen. It sounds like in your opinion the only source that would be allowed is a college textbook written by a secular author within the last couple years. I personally have never seen that requirement in
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belong in the "Early life" section :-)) but then comes a 6th paragraph evoking his father's reaction to his choices, without any time references... Also, the end sentence of the 3rd paragraph seems to imply that Francis' first interpretation of his vision didn't capture its full meaning, yet this has no follow-up within the section, or later on. I hope these remarks can be of use! (
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contemporary followers such as Father Richard Rohr. Hence the focus is on Saint Francis's love of nature, his peace-making and poverty. Saint Francis's "spirituality" is transformed to reflect contemporary fashions, with virtually no reference ideas that underpinned the vows of chastity, poverty and obedience; namely, that penance and mortification are the pathway to Holiness.
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conviction that Francis must have visited the Holy Places) became more and more developed until it reached its fullest and most definite expression (with abundant, and therefore suspect, circumstantiality) in the works of Juan de Calahorra in the 17th c. and Francisco JĂŠsus MarĂa de San Juan del Puerto in the 18th c. (see on all this Tolan, pp. 169 and 263-271)
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the Giotto illustration. I think some tidying up of "books" and references is called for, but I cannot attend to it for a few months. Also, the second pic illustrating the trial-by-fire (visually low-grade) ought to come out, making space for one depicting a different "episode". The deleted passage is reproduced here for reference:-
4234:. By this point, the Franciscan Order had grown to such an extent that its primitive organizational structure was no longer sufficient. He returned to Italy to organize the Order. Once his community was authorized by the Pope, he withdrew increasingly from external affairs. In 1223, Francis arranged for the first Christmas
1522:) but I have never seen any book call to question the details of the meeting with the Sultan. Right now all you have is a question from an IP editor, not even a statement from ANY source let alone a reliable source. Until you get ANY source that calls into question whether this happens this discussion is a mute point.
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from these schools were grateful and enjoyed learning about Saint Francis in this manner. No other freely available video appears on the web about the life of Saint Francis that I could find. So including it here does add to general knowledge and appreciation. With this information, could you reconsider? Thank you,
2779:. The duties of the cardinals include attending the meetings of the College and making themselves available individually or in groups to the Pope as requested. Most have additional duties, such as leading a diocese or archdiocese or managing a department of the Roman Curia. A cardinal's other main function is
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First let me say again that I like the image that is in the lead now (della Gatta). You don't have to change it on my account. You had asked earlier for alternates, so I picked out five from your gallery, above. If shape is a consideration, that would affect the choice, that's all. Of the five that I
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Well no, the 13th century means the years of 1200-1299 and not the 1400s; And as i said before the most contemporary picture should be chosen due it being the most valid; There is a picture (fresco) of St. Francis in Subiaco which is contemporary in terms of life-time (his time of refuge there) which
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When this play was viewed live, many parents, who are not Catholic, were deeply moved by it. They remarked that they never knew about these (or any) Catholic Saints and they gained an appreciation they previously did not have. The school Living Wisdom School is non-sectarian and is thus able to reach
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Next, the trial-by-fire challenge, although occupying only two sentences in the wiki-article, bulks disproportionately large in the episode of the visit to the Sultan (almost one third of that paragraph, and constituting the essence of his "missiology") and even larger in the illustrations, since, of
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I feel similarly in regards to Quin's point. Although if I refresh the article, it will be without the spiritual language. There are plenty of hagiographies out there, and this is an encyclopedia. If I go to far in a change or not far enough, I hope that someone will discuss it here first and not
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Saint Francis of Assisi had many followers through out his life. He was admired by many and lived a life of service for the lord. He gave up many of his belonging and turned to god and nature. It is believed that Saint Francis had a special relationship with God but was in fact very human. He did his
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There's an interesting paragraph in Steven Runciman's "A History of the Crusades 3" CUP, 1954, about Francis' visit to the Sultan. It says that he was escorted under flag of truce to Fariskur, where the Muslim guards were suspicious at first, but then decided that anyone so, simple, so gentle and so
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in September. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, he was keeping "a forty days fast in preparation for Michaelmas". Also, the Feast of the Exaltation of the Cross is and always has been September 14. The Catholic Encyclopedia merely says that the vision which resulted in the stigmata occurred "on
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Well for your information, almost 25 years ago, a Catholic friend gave my parents, a statue of Saint Francis that is still in our garden, not being Catholic, my mom always had to tell me as a child, who Francis was and what he represented(animals, the birds, the enviroment,etc).--Hailey 18:53, 16 May
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Just to reiterate to a recent editor who changed 1181/1182 to 1181 - it is currently unclear based on the best available historical information whether he was born in 1181 or 1182. Tradition usually gives his year of birth as 1182, and if we had to specify only one year that would be the preferable,
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With this sentence, we get way ahead of the events of his early life. After this, it returns to the events of his early life and proceeds in chronological order. So, either we should just remove this passage or, if it is not mentioned later (I didn't study the rest in order to find out), place it in
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I think it is fine to remove it. All the stuff is covered in other sections. The trip to Egypt and his death doesn't belong in the "Early Life" section. Everything in that paragraph is covered in the correct corresponding sections of the article. Whether a better summary should be in the lead is
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True, it is the other way round, but that's only my bad math. My art history is on the other hand quite fine. I don't agree at all that the oldest pictures should be displayed, but the best quality depiction available. And considering that it has been a non stop messing around with the lead pictures
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OK; as usual, you revert me, John, and editwar. Also you reverted me for the third time. You always make conflicts with me, wherever I am, because you always seem to think you know everyrhing better. I was working on that gallery a lot. I am the one who illustrated this article. I think the gallery
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I pulled this section out of the talk archive because people continue to change St. Francis' death date. Whoever keeps changing Francis' death date from October 3rd to October 4th, Francis actually died on October 3rd. The reason his feast day is on the fourth is due to early church ideas of dealing
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I have already given reasons why the currently-cited reference (a brief notice in chapter 8 of Chesterton's "slight sketch" or "little book" as he called it himself) is unacceptable as a reliable source, and that credible authority (Sabatier, still the leading scholarly work) long ago rejected it as
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and the encounter with the Sultan Malik-el-Kamil camped outside Damietta are not in dispute, being sufficiently well-established by a contemporary chronicler, Jacques de Vitry (bishop of Acre, who was present in the Crusader camp); and it is he (along with Celano) who must be the primary sources for
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I'm picking up on strange, subtle anti-Catholic, pro-Anglican editing practices...combined with vaguely anti-confessional tendencies. I have no problem with Wiki being rather 'secular' or 'agnostic' in its approach to subject matter, but when we're dealing with someone famed for his Catholicism and
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The young man was also taught more civilized topics. He would be taught to read and write by a schoolmaster. He could also be taught some Latin and French. The lady of the castle taught the page to sing and dance and how to behave in the kingâs court. At the age of fifteen or sixteen, a boy became a
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Although, Saint Francisâs brother was not one of his many admirers there has been tell of a story where his own brother, Leonardo allowed Saint Francis to ride on the back of a donkey while he walked. He believed in his brothers teachings and loved the way his brother inspired other people. Leonardo
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To achieve this end, Francis is reported to have used flagellation and a hairshirt (a garment of rough cloth made from goats' hair and worn in the form of a shirt or as a girdle around the loins, a Catholic encyclopedia informs us) for his penance. To defend his purity St Francis is alleged to have
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In practice this meant warfare against his own body, its senses and its appetites. According to the still wide spread Catholic belief, without mortification of the senses, our desires will remain unruly and our rebellious will shall not conform to the will of God. Mortification was crucial to the
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Objections to the appositeness, sufficiency, and reliability of the existing sources cited in this part of the article can be extended:- for example, the statement that the Sultan permitted Francis to preach to his subjects as a result of the impression made on him by the trial-by-fire challenge is
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We notice first of all that the article entry is self-contradictory. Francis' visit to Sultan al-Kamil is situated in what is said to be an "attempted rapprochement with the Muslim world", but the previous presentation (including especially the alleged challenge to trial-by-fire) is by no means an
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The reference to the Franciscans as " 'Custodians of the Holy Land' on behalf of Christianity" is doubly erroneous. In fact, there is but one "Custos of the Holy Land", which is the official name of the head of the Friars Minor living in the entire Near East (taken to include Cyprus and Rhodes, but
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and do not personalize discussions. Second you are opening up a 2 month old discussion and inflecting many things that were not discussed in the original discussion. Pure and simple, there were sources saying the event happened. None of the sources were primary sources. It was up to the original
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When the sultan saw his enthusiasm and courage, he listened to him willingly and pressed him to stay with him. Francis, however, was inspired by God to reply, "If you are willing to become converts to Christ, you and your people, I shall be only too glad to stay with you for love of him. But if you
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Also, in the side bar, under "venerated by" the Anglican Communion is listed. That's tenuous. One might as well say 'all Christians' for I'm sure you could find Christians of every stripe who venerate or respect or like St. Francis. The more solid truth is that veneration of the saints is almost
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There is a LOT of reliance here on G.K. Chesterton's biography/hagiography of Francis. This is a quite dated work now, lacks all the recent scholarship and was written for purposes other than transmitting an accurate biography. He was, as he himself claimed, writing a spiritual work. It might be
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Is there a reason for this section to be added to the talk page? If the intent is to get consensus and add it to the main page there are several things that need cited and a few things that aren't correct (i.e. Francis didn't turn to God and nature, just to God, the love of nature came from loving
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Francis returned home, began preaching on the streets, and soon gathered followers. His Order was authorized by Pope Innocent III in 1210. He then founded the Order of Poor Clares, which became an enclosed religious order for women, as well as the Order of Brothers and Sisters of Penance (commonly
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I did read both WP:ELNO & WP:TY before linking and did not see an issue myself. The school does have permission from parents. It is a normal procedure for any non-profit, private school to get signed approval for use of pictures, videos, ... that include their children. Yes approval for use of
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With broad encouragement from Marauder40 (to whom many thanks), I have today replaced the previous text with the text posted on my user page and made some consequential alterations (stylistic and to avoid duplication) to other parts of the section. I have also added "alleged" to the caption under
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compiled in 1246 by brothers Leo, Rufino and Angelo (intimate contemporaries of the saint) who explained that they had consulted other companions - naming brother Illuminato and five others - and that they declined to repeat the same material others had dealt with, but had, rather, concentrated on
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Muslims continue to be tense in many parts of the world, marred by mutual suspicion and the burden of history) requires the historicity of the trial-by-fire challenge to be subjected to particular scrutiny. The fact that this probable slur is propagated in a mere two sentences does not excuse it.
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Chesterton gives no hint of who is hidden under the hopelessly vague "as some say". My first thought was that he must have known of the series of panels by Sassetta in the National Gallery in London which show scenes from the life of St. Francis including the trial-by-fire panel (acq. n° NG4761),
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As to the interviews between Francis and the sultan, it is prudent to keep to the narratives of Jacques de Vitry and William of Tyre. Although the latter wrote at a comparatively late date (between 1275 and 1295), he followed a truly historic method, and founded his work on authentic documents; we
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You can say that Francis was privileged in being a knight because becoming a knight is not something anyone could just willingly do. Francisâs father didnât feel like Francis had to be a knight he felt he would be fine working with him with his fabrics. There were only a few ways in which a person
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In his lifetime he inspired many people and they took on his beliefs. One of the many people he inspired was Clare di Favarone. She adopted his teachings and began to spread his message and beliefs. She even became inspired her sisters and a friend of her mothers to join her in his practices. They
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Whoever keeps changing Francis' death date from October 3rd to October 4th, Francis actually died on October 3rd. The reason his feast day is on the fourth is due to early church ideas of dealing with vigils and starts of days. Francis died on the evening of October 3rd. Many Franciscan churchs
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There are other details which don't correspond. Someone (an anon) has changed the location of the vision from La Verna to Isola Maggiore. I am changing it back. Also, in the statement "⌠Thomas told a crowd of Franciscans that he had witnessed this account" the article doesn't say who "Thomas" is.
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by Mark Galli, "Francis was never much of a student; he barely learned to read and write, and always preferred to be read to. He wrote even less. As an adult he was considered 'a man without learning', meaning he never undertook advanced studies in theology or law." I would be grateful if we could
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The article gives almost no sense at all of the actual form of spirituality that dominated and gave direction to Saint Francis's life. It is a travesty of the Catholic understanding that informed St Francis's life and the lives of those who imitated him, adopting his vows of chastity, poverty and
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I note that, shortly after Pope Francis' election inserted 'di Pietro' into Francis' baptismal name. It was never there before and there is no source for it. Indeed, the Catholic Encyclopedia says his name was simply Giovanni. Evidently this is a conspiracy theorist attempting to connect the new
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Again I think having this link will serve some people, who would not otherwise learn about Saint Francis from just reading. Younger audiences in particular could benefit. During the play, several Catholic private schools sent their students to view the performance. Both the teachers and students
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first, under the condition that if he left the fire unharmed, the sultan would have to recognize Christ as the true God, the sultan was so impressed that he allowed Francis to preach to his subjects. The sultan was impressed enough to give Francis permission to visit the sacred places in the Holy
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Bonaventure isn't the source used in the article. Bonaventure is just the first person to mention the events. The sources in the article are Chesterton and Paul Sabatier. They aren't new sources (1924 and 1894), but just because it is newer doesn't make it a better source for a person that was
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You need to remember that everything you add needs to be NPOV, statements like "arguably the greatest and most widely popular" don't really fit in with NPOV. If you can get a reliable source that says the same thing, you may be able to put it in the article. As to whether Anglican belongs. The
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I believe the structure of this section can be improved. The 4th paragraph ("Francis' father was Pietro di Bernardone", etc) repeats facts that have already been stated in the previous paragraphs. Then the 5th paragraph ("In 1219, he went to Egypt" etc) ends with his death (which perhaps doesn't
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That's an interesting possibility. To be honest, I prefer stability. When I see the image, I know I'm at the right article, and if it's an image I really like, I enjoy seeing it each time I go to the article. If there is a consensus that change is desired, is there a way to change the lead image
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The picture you mentioned as it would be good to have in the gallery - is already in the gallery. It was picked up from the gallery and put in the lead (and in the main while left in the gallery too, thus becaming a duplicate). If you think there are any pictures that are visually stunning,
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Hafspajen began this discussion appropriately by saying, "Let's decide what we want and stick with it," inviting other editors to participate in the decision-making. Agilulf2007, by responding, "What is there to discuss? What discussion do you wish to have?", you are injecting a tone that is not
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Nor is Bonaventure reliable on this episode, which he continued to elaborate. In a sermon preached on 4 October 1267, he went so far as to say that the Sultan secretly converted â a new and inherently improbable embellishment which further diminishes his credibility as an authentic source on an
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but reliability. The article at this point references only Chesterton, who is clearly unreliable on this incident and is far from being the best source. Sabatier cannot be substituted because he says the opposite of what he would be cited in support of. On that basis alone the passage must be
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Well the last thing I want is a squabble here. I commented on your response to fair comment by two editors which seems to have closed a useful line of inquiry that might have improved the article. Your new comment does not address my points regarding the text of the article on which we need to
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As to the other questions, it all depends on which source you read on how it treats it. Bonaventure was a contemporary of St. Francis so he is a pretty good source. The information in the article is already validly sourced via other sources and provides references. To put any other theories in
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Part of his appreciation of the environment is expressed in his Canticle of the Sun, a poem written in Umbrian Italian in perhaps 1224 which expresses a love and appreciation of Brother Sun, Sister Moon, Mother Earth, Brother Fire, etc. and all of God's creations personified in their fundamental
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The lead is the first part of the article that most people will read, and for many, it may be the only section read. A good lead section cultivates the reader's interest in reading more of the article, but not by teasing the reader or hinting at content that follows. Instead, the lead should be
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I made a change which was reverted by one user, who said it wouldn't be sourced. He replied that in this article the name is also unsourced. So either the name here becomes deleted or it becomes added to the Prophecy of the Popes as a connection to the current "pope" Francis, who is there being
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The image you chose was 200 years after his death too, he was born 1181 or 1182 - died 1226. 13th century means the years 1400 . But that's really not a good argument. When choosing a lead image of a like him, a saint that is depicted this often by the best painters of the art history, being
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What is there to discuss? What discussion do you wish to have? The image i am in favor of is simply more contemporary. In case you dont know what that means, it means it is closer in time to the actual person i.e. the 13th century instead of the current picture/image which is 250years after his
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The link falls under WP:ELNO and WP:YT. Also I would like to ask if you have the permission of all the parents of the kids in the play to post this on a site clearly with larger access then just a school web-site, and the permission of the copyright holders of the play. My bet is you don't have
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began two years before the Damietta encounter, for brother Elias had established a presence in Syria in 1217 (see the link to para. 6.47 on a Franciscan webpage above in the previous comment). That there was a causal relation was first stated in the 14th c. and the idea (united with the devout
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Though not yet a knight, Francis insisted on looking like one, which cost his father a small fortune, sporting a coat of mail, a helmet, sword, a lance with its pennant and flowing robe. As Francis was making ready for his with Gentile he ran across a bedraggled knight with a threadbare outfit.
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doesn't use any contemporary image either. There is an image of a fresco depicting him made when he was alive, but that image is good were it is - it has EV- but it is not a lead image quality. One has to strive to chose the best possible depiction available that captures the person's essence.
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Finally, it must be recognised that the entire incident is provocative and derogatory to the Muslim scholars who are presented as cowards in the face of Francis' challenge which they effectively concede ("but retreated"). This consideration (not least because relations between Christians and
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I'm interested in the fact that when Francis returned to the Crusaders after being among the Muslim armies he was labelled a heretic and the Sultan had to intercede to save him. How did this happen? I would have thought a Sultan wouldn't have much sway with the Crusaders. Can anyone elucidate?
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draw attention to some other disputable statements and imprecisions in it which demand a full-scale revision of this section. I say nothing for now about the remainder of the article which, however, reads more as a quasi-devotional work than an encyclopedia entry and oscillates between frank
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Two editors raised a good question here about the credibility of the sources relied on for the trial-by-fire legend which Marauder has unfairly (I think) and, in some respects, incorrectly responded to. I accept that Marauder is presenting a case by reference to what the anonymous editor(s)
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I would side with Marauder's initial assessment on this. Since WP:YT puts high standards on youtube and such sites (eg vimeo), it would be better not to include this in the ELs. Moreover, I'm sceptical that the site passes the first criterion of links normally to be avoided at WP:EL. Younger
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From the infobox I removed that he is the patron Saint of San Francisco, the Archdiocese of San Francisco, the Philipeans, etc. I figured the actual list of every city, country, etc. that he is the patron saint of is to large for an infobox. If someone wants to add the information to the
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The critic has a point. What's our best RS saying that this happened, and what evidence is it based on? Do commonly accepted reference texts treat the trial by fire as a story or as history? If you read a college history textbook about Francis, what would it say about the trial by fire?
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way Saint Francis attempted to advance in the life of holiness. Impure lusting after sex and the temptations of money were to be resisted by poverty and chastity. The ultimate aim was to tame the desires of our body, through mortification, and become an obedient follower of God's will.
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I have read many books about St. Francis both modern, not so modern, some critical, some not so critical. Not a single one doubts the meeting with the Sultan took place. Some modern books doubt certain stories about St. Francis actually took place (i.e. some mentioned in the
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that claimed that exist an ongoing struggle between the forces of good and evil in the universe. It is also an eclectic religion that attempted to provide a synthesis of previous religious teachings. Its founder, Mani, claimed to be the final prophet for all religions. The
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Now, I don't know enough to say if Lent was different back then, but I don't think Lent was in September. Do these two times perhaps come from different stories about when St. Francis received the Stigmata? I just wanted some clarification and change to the article if
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It is a link to a play about the life of Saint Francis and Saint Clare of Assisi. Many people can learn more about a subject by watching videos of the material than through just reading. Video can also communicate the information with a deeper feeling of inspiration.
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Land. Francis's visit to Egypt and attempted rapprochement with the Muslim world had far-reaching consequences, long past his own death, since after the fall of the Crusader Kingdom it would be the Franciscans, of all Catholics, who would be allowed to stay on in the
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His father's name was Pietro. 'Di Pietro' goes with the custom of the time to be know by your father's name in addition to your own name. Directly from the Catholic Encyclopedia "His father, Pietro Bernardone, was a wealthy Assisian cloth merchant." No conspiracy
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If the incident is to stay at all (and it hardly bulks large in the scheme of things) the correct sources must be given, and a proper qualification added showing that the incident is far from being historically proven and rests squarely on the shaky foundation of
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Aw, don't be that way. The point's not moot because the discussion tells us whether we have any cause to look for a better source. In Bonaventure's account is our best source, then maybe we should look for a better source, like a college-level history textbook.
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The results of efforts, however, were those of a theologian in touch with the currents of mystical theology of his time. The virtues of Francis, while described through the anecdotes of Thomas and Julian, are presented in orderly, theological fashion. Both
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An editor added that Clare was best friends with St. Francis. As far as I know the exact relationship of Clare was never defined as "best friends". "Friends" maybe but not "best friend". I reverted it to allow the editor to either provide a cite or redo the
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supported by neither Chesteron nor Sabatier (the sources cited for it in the text); nor is any such claim to be found in da Celano or in any of the primary sources, nor, even, in Bonaventure. It is, I imagine, unnecessary to pursue this theme further.
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Well, Latin was not anymore spoken even during the last centuries of the Roman Empire. In 1182, when San Francesco was born, the spoken language in Assisi was a lot closer to the modern Italian than to the ancient Latin. --Folini 18:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
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This is a three-part post which I shall stagger. Dissatisfaction with the treatment of the trial-by-fire challenge related in the fourth paragraph in the "Missions work" section of the article has already been made by me and others (see above). Before
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We can see here the seeds from which later embellishment can all too easily grow. De Vitry had not, however, mentioned this episode in a letter written in September 1219, when the event was fresh. On de Vitry's material, see chapter 1 of John V. Tolan,
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The reference to the Franciscans "of all Catholics, who would be allowed to stay on in the Holy Land" erroneously presupposes that the Franciscans were never excluded, and invites the false inference that non-Catholic Christians were not affected: see
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Is there a reason for this section to be added to the talk page? If the intent is to get consensus and add it to the main page there are several things that need cited and the section on the process of becoming a knight isn't really needed in this
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Having gone so far on this route (through ignorance of a better way) I shall finish what I set out to do, but in more economic format. My proposed re-write of the relevant part of the section of the article criticised by me above, can be found at
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would be even better; Other than that i can only recommend to use the most contemporary picture of any saint for any saint instead of a 'hundred years' later imaginary projection; A good example would be St. Ambrose on wiki; Thus my vote goes to
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Clearly, the bulk of the assertions in this part of the article - and the existing source references purporting to support them - are inadequate and even defective from several angles. These considerations, as well as the remarks made under
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Francis had ambitions of becoming a knight. Francis heard that an Assisi count named Gentile was preparing to leave for Apulia to engage in another battle between church and empire. Francis convinced Gentile to let him join him (Galli, 2002).
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I didn't say there aren't any contemporary sources. All you have to do is do a search for "St. Francis sultan fire" on the internet and you will find hundreds. I have read several. There are entire books written about this encounter (i.e.
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The lead image has been changed for various reasons around five times at least in the last couple of month. I will add some possible images here and let's decide what we want and stick with it. There are so many great artworks about him.
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Prophecy of the Popes allegedly published by Benedictine monk Arnold Wion in 1595... Several historians have concluded that the prophecies are a late 16thâcentury forgery. W can't use it as a source for removal of Francis birth name.
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the seven depictions of St. Francis in the entire article, two depict a trial-by-fire actually in process, which (lacking as it does any adequate historical support or even some iconographical commentary) is seriously misleading.
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supplying what others had omitted. They said nothing about any trial-by-fire challenge, although it is Illuminato whom Bonaventure was the first to name (in 1263) as the friar who had accompanied Francis into the Saracen camp.
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There is an interesting film about Francis called "Brother Son, Sister Moon," that highlights many of the documented accounts of Francis, with a groovy soundtrack by Donovan! I think it's worthy to be added to this article.
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this episode in the saint's life. Neither of them mentions any trial-by-fire proposal by Francis to demonstrate the truth of Christianity and the falsity of Islam. Trials-by-ordeal (of which this trial-by-fire was
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I'm confused. My introduction gives a solid overview of the importance of Francis (the previous - and now current - is so vague as to leave one unenlightened as to his importance. Why are my changes being rejected?
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I am STRONGLY in the favor of an image representing Francis getting his stigmata, because this is made so special. Don't favor much skulls and morbid stuff like that, children are also watching the encyclopedia.
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out of material that had been deleted from the biography article. Since cultural references sometimes get deleted without discussion, I'd like to suggest this approach as a model for the editors here. Regards,
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Can anyone tell me, what's the source of September 26, 1181 as St. Francis' date of birth? Other Knowledge articles just say 1181/1182, as do a lot of trustworthy books and sources about St. Francis, e.g.
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Wasn't to clear there: I think it should stand in the lead, because I think they were probably parts of it before they slided downwards - and got embedded in other texts. So I moved it UPP; INTO THE LEAD.
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I wonder why the account of his death is included in "Early Life". Also, after the mention of his death, the narrative double back to some vague conflict with his father. The chronology is out-of-whack.--
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Sorry for this long explanation. If the deleting editor is from the Catholic faith, I do believe having this video linked will help viewers learn about and more importantly appreciate these great Saints.
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The first appearance that I know of the visit with the Sultan was in the book about St. Francis that was commisioned/written by St. Bonaventure, the Major Life of St. Francis. It is mentioned in Chapter
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I think its surprising that the location of his mortal remains has not been mentioned. His remains currently rest in Goa, India in the Basilica of Bom Jesus. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.
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Do any Franciscan experts here have more sources, links, stories to follow this please? If so, it will be worth adding to this page anyway. Please post ideas/suggestions here. Thanks.
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a contemporary of Francis and knew him) was written twenty years after the saint's death. The historicity of Francis' mission to Egypt in 1219 in the middle of the
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I feel as if this entire article is made up. Especially the donating to cub scouts... when were the cub scouts even invented? these are things we need to focus on!
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of cub scouts. I haven't seen a reliable source for the recent addition of this fact. It doesn't mean the rest of the article is "made up".
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Neither have I, and there's no site on the web that confirms this independently. I'm removing it. --
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Hallo, now this no good either. This has to stop, really. It is pure disruption by now.
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a collection of legends and folklore that sprang up after the Saint's death
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Light in a Dark Age, The Story of Francesco and Chiara
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4072:The lead is meant to summarize the key facts :).
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2036:, 3 vols., 1999-2001, New City Press, vol. 1)
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331:ECK_master#Historical_figures_as_ECK_masters
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2113:Thanks. My response to them, ditto.
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446:Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc
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3959:Greetings, For this update:
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825:for further ideas. Thanks,
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2173:References
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