Talk:Franklin D. Roosevelt/Archive 4

1967:"In August 1921, while the Roosevelts were vacationing at Campobello Island, New Brunswick, Roosevelt contracted an illness characterized by: fever; protracted symmetric, ascending paralysis of the upper and lower extremities; facial paralysis; bladder and bowel dysfunction; numbness; and dysesthesia. The symptoms gradually resolved except for paralysis of the lower extremities. The unquestioned diagnosis at the time was paralytic poliomyelitis, which was fitting because polio was epidemic in the northeastern United States during the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. Yet his age (39 years) and many features of the illness are more consistent with a diagnosis of Guillain-Barré syndrome (an autoimmune peripheral neuropathy). A peer-reviewed study published in 2003, using Bayesian analysis, found that six of eight posterior probabilities favored a diagnosis of Guillain-Barré syndrome over poliomyelitis. Regardless of the cause, the result was that Roosevelt was totally and permanently paralyzed from the waist down. He could sit up and, with aid of leg braces, stand upright, but could not walk. 1031:

instead of five dollars. The other result of maintaining the dollar-pound and dollar-franc ratio as high as it has been was our ability to get rid of a great many of our export surpluses. Cotton has been moving out. Of course, you know one of our objectives is to eliminate the very large surplus which has been overhanging the domestic prices. The same thing applies to wheat and everything else. Our objective has been to get rid of the surpluses. We got rid of a great deal of cotton and we got rid of a great deal of copper, for instance. At the same time the import trade has increased enormously during the past three months, since the dollar has gone down in terms of pounds. The result has been a very excellent one from a general economic domestic point of view. This revaluation of not more than 60 percent and not below 50 percent should enable us to maintain a fairly reasonable exchange ratio with other Nations.... They have a managed pound, absolutely managed, far more so than we have ever thought of managing the dollar. . . ."

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a 21 cent price based on "lucky numbers.") There is nothing trivial that the AAA and NRA were found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. There is nothing trivial that he raised incomes taxs up to 90% on the top income bracket, and then proposed a 99.5% tax which failed. There is nothing trivial about the fact that he issued an Executive Order to tax all incomes over $ 25,000 100%! I'm sorry if this stuff tarnishes the Roosevelt myth, but it's the truth and it needs to be told. That's one of the great things about Knowledge (XXG) --we're able to tell the whole story instead of the "official" censored version of events.

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It had too much detail on events not directly connected to FDR (such as details of Supreme Court decisions or NRA or industrial production data or how historians evaluate the overall New Deal statistics) that are best covered elsewhere. The long Glass quote is not very meaningful (Glass never before or after showed an interest in protecting poor orphans). This is a bio of FDR. There is a full article on the New Deal. The jokes ought to go in the TRIVIA section, not main body--such as the good joke about gold and booze. It is important to mention Harry Hopkins in 1933.

2333:"The irony is that even if Roosevelt had helped to lift the spirits of the American people in the depths of the depression—an uplift for which no compelling documentation exists—that achievement only led the public to labor under an illusion. After all, the root cause of the prevailing malaise was the continuation of the depression. Had the masses understood that the New Deal was only prolonging the depression, they would have had good reason to reject it and its vaunted leader."—Higgs, Robert, Against Leviathan, p34. 1971:

benefits of hydrotherapy, and in 1926 he bought a resort at Warm Springs, Georgia, where he founded a hydrotherapy center for the treatment of polio patients which still operates as the Roosevelt Warm Springs Institute for Rehabilitation (with an expanded mission). Furthermore, after he became President, he helped to found the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis that supported the rehabilitation of victims of paralytic polio and the discovery of the polio vaccines."

1727:…can mean only one of two things, (a) that a considerable part of the German population must be liquidated through diceases, malnutrition and slow starvation for a period of years to come, with resultant dangers to the rest of Europe from pestilence and the spread of plagues that know no boundaries; or (b) the continuation of large occupying forces to hold down unrest and the affording of relief mainly drawn from the United States to prevent actual starvation. 772:

utterly baffled by cryptic comments in a bio of FDR (there were of course many other government officials, bankers, etc involved in the gold decisions). To go beyond POV, RJII migh ask the question: was the gold policy good or bad for most Americans, and for the economy? Who was hurt by it? Who was helped? What did the courts say about it? What did the congress say? He migh also tell us what sources he is using so we can help him evaluate them

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have been removed for no apparent reason. Irrelevant digressions and contradictory statements have been added. Factual statements have been changed to non-factual ones. Myths, opinions and conspiracy theories have crept back in. So now I have had to come back and redo much of what I did last year. I don't mind doing so, but this should not be necessary, and of course I can't keep doing so for the rest of time.

1981:, of which I was a co-author and which I can add as a reference in the Roosevelt article. Also, information on Roosevelt's work related to polio is added. Also, several unreferenced statements that are peripheral at best (historians speculate, escape from mother) are deleted. The edited section is about the same length and more factually correct. I have tried to retain as much of the original as possible. 423:

statement which was explicitly racialist or racist in content. Yet, such ideas circulated widely among white Protestant Americans during that time period. To portray the internment of Japanese-Americans solely as an issue of national securtiy without any reference of the racism in wide circulation in the U.S. is a distortion of the record. Note the difference of treatment towards

2296:"In reality, FDR's economic policies made the Great Depression much worse; caused it to last much longer than it otherwise would have; and established interventionist precedents that have been a drag on economic prosperity and threat to liberty to this day."—DiLorenzo, How Capitalism Saved America, p179 (introduction to ch. 10—How the New Deal Crippled Capitalism.) 1813:"By 1935, the New Deal was in its second year and still gaining steam. In later years, Rose and I came to be among the best-known critics of the growth in centralized government that the New Deal initiated. Yet, ironically, the New Deal was a lifesaver for us personally. The new government programs created a boom market for economists, especially in Washington." 2367:

would have been a short depression with a natural market-driven recovery. Of course, we can't prove this, because you can't see what naturally would have occured if it weren't for the centralized control over the economy by policitians. Do the same things that Roosevelt did in the midst of a recession today and you'll see another great depression commence.

2314:"One biographer said that there was no one more ignorant of economics than FDR. It showed. FDR knew nothing about how wealth was created. The legislation he called for was a patchwork of absurdities, sometimes at odds with each other, and sometimes even at odds with themselves."—Woods, Thomas E. Jr, A Politically Incorrect Guide to American History. 1414:

to be, or dilayno (short i, like 'city,' dǐlānō in American dictionary pronunciation guides). No stress is indicated, and since the popular pronunciation of Delano is apparently inaccurate the stress may fall on the wrong syllable in the popular pronunciation, too. I'm not familiar with this pronuncaition; could someone clear these two points up?

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Allies in the second world war, it was certainly in 1939. Therefore Roosevelt cannot have been their leader as it says in this article as America did not join the war until 1941. I would appreciate comments on this and if people agree a change to the wording to reflect this fact. A very good article on this topic is available on this Wiki page:

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system, which had promised everyone (particularly in the US) prosperity and freedom. In Europe masses of people turned to fascism or communism as alternatives to capitalism. What seemed remarkable at the time was that the American electorate, in the depths of the Depression, rejected these alternatives and elected FDR.

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GNP decreased. That was the delayed result of central planning and excessive taxation. By 1940 there was still 13.5% unemployment. There is no reason for a depression to last 10 years. It's ridiculous. A 10 year depression has one cause: government intervention in what would otherwise be a free self-directed market.

2640:--organization and efficiency emerges unguided by an central planning authority. Government intervention causes inefficiencies in the market system which are then used as justification for further interventions to fix the inefficiencies that the intervention caused. The best "plan" is not to plan in the first place. 1709:’By forbidding the American Army to maintain price, wage and market controls, it literally decreed, as a State Department official put it, economic chaos. In this way the treasury’s view that the extreme disruption of German economy was not in conflict with Allied interests became official American policy. 2792:

reflect neutral point of view. This is because two or three authors are repeatedly removing comments added to the article (no edits have been made by this contributor) by those who wish to show alternative points of view to those who would take every opportunity to overstate the flowery bouquet that

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Roosevelt compounded the errors of his predecessors and guaranteed that the Great Depression would last through World War II. Described as a "failure of capitalism," the Great Depression was anything but. It was the failure of idiots like FDR who knew nothing about economics but wanted to play with

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lots of merit--FDR in fact simultaneously led the allies and tried to keep the US out of combat. That's been well known for 65 years so welcome to the world of history!! His goal was to advance the USA and most people think he did pretty well--except for the Nazis and Japanese who liked him even less

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This was an important motivational boost to the German-occupied Norwegian people and resistance during WW2. It has since been quoted numerous times. A Google for "Look to Norway" gives 11400 hits. I suppose this was mostly noticed by Norwegians, but I wonder if the speech is totally unknown in the US

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I had never seen that pronunciation before reading this article (generally you hear Delano rendered ). I'm not 100% sure what they're going for here, since ı is not IPA (while i and ɪ are), but it's either deelayno (dīlānō, as many American dictionaries would explain it) if 'i' is what ı is supposed

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Rjensen has put this in the article: "After January 1934 he then devalued the international value of the dollar by 40% in terms of gold, hoping to stimulate exports. " I'd like to see the exact quote from that source so we can verify if you've interpreted it correctly. Does it actually say that that

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for example --that's HIGHLY controversial and experienced a huge amount of edit warring, but now that the information is sourced and footnoted, it's realtively stable and a featured article. If someone wants to know where the information came from, there's a direct link to the source right there. The

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I strongly disagree. If someone adds information and adds a source below but doesn't footnote to the source, how is anyone to know which source it is from? If the person that put the edit in is gone, then when someone requests a source for information, nobody knows where the information came from and

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No it's not. And, it's not "simple" facts. Few people are aware of these facts. Find just ONE textbook that mentions that Roosevelt proposed a 99.5 percent tax on incomes over $ 100,000 and then issued an order to confiscated ALL income over $ 25,000. It's not common knowledge, therefore it's crucial

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First of all, stop your personal attacks. I'm not a "crank." And, as I stated I will go on including sourced, relevant information. That's the way Knowledge (XXG) works. But, you're the one in the wrong. There is nothing trivial about the fact that FDR confiscated private gold (and that he decided on

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Of course it is. Relevant claims have been made to the effect that alternative points of view have been censored. No one "owns" the article. I will remind you that I have not written or edited a word of the article. I am responding out of sympathy for people who are being censored. (signed) Mark

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checks (this further aggravated the monetary contraction). The depression was brought on due to government intervention and then lengthened due to more intervention by FDR (who then created make-work programs that were only "necessary" because his further harming of the economy made them necessary).

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Correct, the picture is significant. I'm not sure if was taken at/around Cairo, Teheran or Yalta. Once facet of significance is WHY would FDR be meeting with a Saudi King, a seemingly (at the time) insignificant player since while oil had been found, it was not being produced during WWII. Clearly

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Oh well...I guess you could euphemistically call what he did "getting things done." You can blow off the claim of hypocrisy too, but you basically agreed he was being a hypocrite. I guess there are a lot of people who agree with the concept that "the ends justify the means." Too bad their weren't

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The allied alliance had been in existence effectively since Britain and France allied with Poland in 1939 and Neville Chamberlain declared that Britain and France would offer all support in their power to Poland, Greece and Romania. Whatever you want to take as the exact date of the formation of the

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Roosevelt held a speech in 1942 were he among other things stated: "If there is anyone who still wonders why this war is being fought, let him look to Norway. If there is anyone who has any delusions that this war could have been averted, let him look to Norway; and if there is anyone who doubts the

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Page 95: Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF) had compiled a handbook for the occupation of Germany which stated that the German industry should be brought back into operation as soon as possible after the surrender, every German must be promised two thousand calories of food per

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I think it would help a lot if you would stop inserting biased external links in the middle of the article. It is fine that you add information about the the tax raises, however it is completely inappropriate to misuse them to put external link to propaganda material in the web. This is a very clear

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The old version was full of useless details (for example the detailed rules regarding gold), and incorrect information (it is not true that 1/3 were unemployed). The WPA was falsely presented as a 1933 program when it was 1935--a very important difference. The CCC employed 250,000, not "millions".

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EB is no longer a good reference source. Before the 1980s they had experts write their articles but now most are written by freelancers who do 20-50 articles at a time on a variety of subjects. The freelancers do not pretend to be experts and they don't say what sources they use. So it's no longer

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Anyway, I am going offline now, so I will see what you come up with while I am gone. Blanket reversions will be reverted, others dealt with on merit. Since you asked earlier, my source for the US politics sections of the article was Ted Morgan's biography. I do not claim to be a particular expert on

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This article could be used as a textbook example of "what's wrong with Knowledge (XXG)." Since I wrote the current version in April 2005, it has steadily deteriorated in quality and coherence under the impact of many random edits. Its grammar, syntax, spelling and punctuation have declined. Sections

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well FDR's 3rd term was even better than the first economically! If you like numbers--FDR had the BEST term in American history, counting 1933-45. Unemployment went from 25% to 2%--how much better do you want? GNP grew at a compound rate of 8% a year no president comes close. (It's a little better

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So you think that the entire banking system would have just collapsed and died? That's unrealistic. And, the first term is not really relevant, because the effects of economic actions typically take a few years to arrive. We saw the Roosevelt Recession in 1938 --unemployment increased to 16.5% and

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I keep on deleting that piture with Roosevelt and the Saudi King but someone keeps on putting it back up. I think every picture on a Wiki article is a picutre that should have significant meaning. But that picutre has no meaning or purpose to be put up their what so ever. Is the person who keeps on

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In 1942 Norway was occupied by Germany. Roosevelt was referring to the unprovoced attack by the Germans, the Norwegian will for peace and democracy and the steadfast resistance from the Norwegian government and people. I suppose it was also a kick against those in the US who still argued against US

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The article quotes freedom and makes it looks like he thought the New Deal was a good idea, but he doesn't. The quote I provided says this: "Roosevelt's policies were very destructive. Roosevelt's policies made the depression longer and worse than it otherwise would have been. What pulled us out of

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Page 108 Conditions in Germany reached their lowest point in 1947. Living conditions were considered worse in 1947 than in 1945 or 1946. At an average ration of 1040 calories a day malnutrition was at its worst stage in post war Germany. Herbert Hoover asserted that that ration was hardly more than

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The surveys of 100+ historians, political scientists, lawyers and economists rank FDR #3 with little disagreement. That was the right wing survey, no less! The article correctly summarized the surveys of scholars and public opinion. What happened is that the old hatreds of the 1930s have died away.

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The only relevant "fact" here is that you are an opinionated anti-FDR crank, one of a long line of such cranks which this article has attracted ever since it was written, which is why I had to rewrite the whole article last year to get rid of all the POV garbage it had become filled with. As I said

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Secretary Harold L. Ickes, Attorney-General Francis Biddle and FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, who said that there was no evidence of Japanese-American involvement in espionage or sabotage." -- contributes to the second contested sentence which I think explicitly states FDR's rationale for his action.

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I think three sentences should remain: First, "Pressure came from the Democratic governor of California Culbert Olson, the Hearst newspapers and General John L. DeWitt, the U.S. Army Commander in California, whose simple attitude was that "a Jap is a Jap." Opponents of the suggestion were Interior

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Well Adam--the Wiki system calls for lots of people to join together. Some of them in fact are experts in American history, but we do welcome any Australian contributions. Your analysis of 1932 Democrats for example is wrong--where did you get it? Check the bibliography again (I provided nearly all

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I'd also make the point that this is a biographical article about FDR, and not an article about the Depression or the New Deal. It should not be used as a battlefield for conflicting schools of economic thought. I haven't read right through this article for a while, but when I do I will remove any

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It's being deleted because it is not directly connected to FDR and this is a biography of FDR. Hoover's people wrote that order and FDR only signed it. If anyone thinks it's an important issue they need to FIRST write up a serious article on the matter. In any case it's a New Deal issue not a FDR

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Actually, Ulysses S. Grant sought a third-term in 1880. He led the balloting for the Republican nomination for the first 35 ballots. A stop-Grant movement became successful when supporters of trailing candidates James Blaine and John Sherman rallied behind James Garfield, who won the nomination on

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blamed on him, anyway. It was caused by people who, like him, did not understand economics, and was made worse by him. It was not the "culmination of a decade of free-market, pro-business Republican rule." You've been reading too many history texts colored by "progressive" propaganda. It took

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People aren't asked to name the worst President and the best President in that survey with the results being weighted. Just because a number of people think FDR was a great President does not mean a number of other people don't consider him an awful one. I realize this is your pet article and you

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Do you not realize that there is a difference between the article and the talk page? Of course he was a thief. I can be as POV as I want to be on the talk page. All I'm saying is that it needs to be noted in the article that FDR ordered Americans to turn in their gold for paper money. You need to

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POV. B) You better have references—and I don't mean two or three—if you're going to toss around "most observers." They also better not all be from the "same school" or they can't be "most." I'll guarantee you that Ludwig von Mises was not among them—nor, I'll bet—was he in the minority on that

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The sentence refered to most observers at the time thought, not what you think. In the 1930s most political debate rotated around the question of whether capitalism or socialism was the superior political/economic system. The Depression was seen at the time as a breakdown in the world capitalist

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Hoover's adminstration was definitely not laissez-faire. There was the Smoot-Hawley tariff act --protectionism which brough on a world tariff war, there were huge increases in income tax rates (from 25-63% on the top rate), and a 2 cent tax (30 cents in today's money) was levied against all bank

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Do you honestly think the Great Depression would not have ended if it wasn't for all that intervention? You think the economy would just stayed in a perpetual standstill until the State come to the rescue? That's unfathomable. It never would have been a "Great" Depression in the first place. It

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Many people consider FDR the worst president? well no--no evidence whatever for that. The press does surveys all the time and he comes out #3 in all groups, including conservatives. See for example the right-wing Federalist Society poll in Wall Street Journal. (#3 two years running.) Furthermore

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The Presidential Papers of Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1934, Item 9 Excerpts from the Press Conference. January 15 "It has, I think, been felt by people on the other side as well as here that if we had not pursued the gold-purchase policy, the actual exchange-value rate on gold would be four dollars

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RJII writes (today) of FDR that "He's the one that stole Americans' gold." I suggest RJII is calling FDR a thief--or am I misreading that?. That is POV and is not allowed in Wiki. RJII should be able to explain the importance of the gold issue in a separate article, or else the readers will be

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And finally, ""... Anyone who has traveled in the Far East knows that the mingling of Asiatic blood with European and American blood produces, in nine cases out of ten, the most unfortunate results."" -- finishes the remainder of FDR's quote. It's abscence would have drastically sanitized FDR's

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Adam's problem is that he distrusts the Wiki system of slow improvements. If he wants to challenge any changes he should do it here before erasing other people's work--that's called vandalism in the Wiki world. So I suggest he go through his changes one by one and see how good they are. 06:53, 7

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I may be missing something here, but FDR didn't take office until March 1933, by which time the depression had already been the Great Depression for three years, and was obviously in a different league to any previous recession. Clearly it was not a self-correcting recession, it was a complete

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The "talk" page began with a "what's wrong with Knowledge (XXG)" screed. The "authors" of this article typify what's wrong with Knowledge (XXG). It cannot hope to be unbiased when authoritarians go running around creating tight edits of their version of "the truth" because they're afraid of

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The problem is that when there is a crisis it needs a solution, no matter what caused it. Roosevelt had the BEST record of any president in his first term in: GNP growth and in fall in unemployment. With "no plan" the banks would never reopen--the first one to open would be flooded with cash

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Although the paralysis (whether from poliomyelitis or Guillain-Barré syndrome) had no cure at the time, for the rest of his life Roosevelt refused to accept that he was permanently paralyzed. He tried a wide range of therapies, but none had any effect. Nevertheless, he became convinced of the

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The Wall Street Journal/Federalist Society survery made specific mention of how most other polls tended to lean left (since academics and historians tend to lean that way) so they made a specific effort to have an equal number of conservatives and liberals on the poll. It's not a conservative

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I'm not a "crank." Stop your personal attacks. But, you have explained why the article is of such low quality now. And, you're free to remove information, just as I'm free to put it back in. I happen to enjoy Sisyphian tasks, and can continue indefinitely. But, you're wrong to remove sourced,

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There have been 500 edits in the last 6 weeks alone, so any requirement that each edit have its own source note would make for a strange article indeed. I think it's better this way, and if people challenge any point then that point can be examined here on TALK and footnoted as needed. The

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Roosevelt "took charge of our government when it was comparatively simple, and for the most part confined to the essential functions of government, and transformed it into a highly complex, bungling agency for throttling businesses and bedeviling the private lives of free people. It is no

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actually the article is about Franklin Roosevelt who became president March 4, 1933--when EVERY bank was closed and 25% were unemployed. He did something. Critics say he should have done something else--what??? The critics turn out to be speechless and planless. They have zero to suggest.

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Since this is a major change, and since the new information casts doubt on the previously countlessly repeated and unquestioned assertion that Roosevelt's paralysis was caused by polio, I thought it would be good idea to start a discussion thread to give a chance for others to disagree.

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The purpose of putting a link in the middle of the article, is so the information won't be deleted. The link is the source. The source I provided is from a professional historian with a doctorate in history, who specializes in economic history. That's not a violation of an NPOV policy.

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The whole point of laissez-faire capitalism is that there should be no plan. A "plan" is what causes the economic problems. So, of course laissez-faire advocates have no plan. The point is that government cannot plan the economy better than the economy can plan itself. Market systems

934:, in the critics section. This article simply did not fit in the reference of a serious Encyclopaedia. What Trifkovic wrote is not a critic on FDR's politic but a dumb agitation against him. The author compares FDR with Mussolini and writes that FDR is more fascist than Mussolini. -- 1596:

Please don’t bring in emotional issues such as the neo-nazis. Ok so they profit from the plan becoming more widely known, but it’s not wikipedias purpose to be a tool for political education in correct thinking, rather the goal should be to provide as accurate facts as possible.

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Roosevelt funded the war before the US entered--and thereby shaped the policies. Britain would have surrendered without massive US $ $ $ and munitions (as well as ships). USSR got the same help after it was invaded (whether Stalin needed it as much as Churchill is debatable.)

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Page 169 After Roosevelts complaint on the SHAEF handbook, Stimson and McCloy had been working on a directive for Eisenhower. JCS 1067 had much of the sound of the Morgenthau Plan. Eisenhower was to combat starvation, but was not to rehabilitate the economy. Germans must be

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all banks were "closed" in the sense they could not give out money. Most banks kept "open" in the sense that tellers were on duty to explain to people what was going on. also people could come in and use their safe deposit boxes. See detailed stories in NY Times every day.

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You don't get it do you? I'm not saying I want it to state in the article that FDR was a thief. That's just my personal opinion. What I am saying is that I want it to state that FDR ordered that Americans turn in their gold for paper money. Stop censorship the information.

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If it's really important write an article explaining what happened, tell all sides of the controversy, mention the Supreme Court case, and give some references. If it's not important enough for an article then it should not get mentioned in bio of FDR. remember: NO POV.

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Second, "A fight for Japanese-American civil rights meant a fight with influential Democrats, the Army, and the Hearst press and would have endangered Roosevelt's chances of winning California in 1944. Critics of Roosevelt's actions believe they were motivated in part by

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FDR's variance is small--controversial president = Nixon. Now some policies are controversial (esp NRA and AAA, which were the first ones to be dropped), and maybe the Wagner act, but lots of programs are hailed. Milton Friedman for example hails the relief programs.

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Eventually, recoveries happen. I see no reason to think that Roosevelt caused a recovery. How, do you know such a recovery wouldn't have occured much sooner if a laissez-faire president were elected that reduced taxes and regulations? I think that's much more likely.

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why mention it in a bio--it belongs under New Deal. There were so many other things happening that were quite important. The president signed thousands of orders written by Treasury, State, War department etc that he did not write. They are not part of his biography.

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an economic system characterized by private or corporation ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision rather than by state control, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly in a free

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it's a very important picture. FDR went to the Middle East and promised that if the King supported WW2 the US would protect his kingdom. That promise is still in effect and the cornerstone of US policy in region--Bush did go to war in 1991 to fulfill the promise.

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The statement is literally correct that both liberal and conservative specialists rank him in top 3. Perhaps BHC has a different personal ranking, perhaps he agrees with #3. But no one can dispute the consensus of specialists, which is what Wiki needs to report.

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counterfactual history is not Wiki's realm. Fact is FDR's had the BEST economic record of any president, and the GNP growth in his 12 years exceeds China in last 12 years. Maybe China will turn out to outperform FDR, but it so far has not. So Wiki can say that

2287:"Though all of this was a recipe for higher unemployment, labor unions enthusiastically supported Hoover's labor market interventionism—interventionism that would be radically expanded under President Roosevelt..."—DiLorenzo, How Capitalism Saved America, p167 1666:

Page 233 On may 10, 1945 Truman signed the JCS 1067. Eisenhower pleaded with Truman not to make it public, lest it embarrass the British who thought it much to harsh. Morgenthau told his staff that it was a big day for the treasury, and that he hoped that

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Because it's still of political interest today. The odds of a Knowledge (XXG) article attracting POV merchants are directly proportional to those of its topic starting an argument in at least one bar or house of parliament anywhere in the developed world.

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In the future, to help shorten the Roosevelt article and provide more information on Roosevelt's paralytic illness, I would be willing to further shorten this section within the main article and start a separate article on Roosevelt's paralytic illness.

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FDR did embrace the plan in late 44 but in fact no implementation was ever ordered by him or Truman. the plan was dead by the time the US actually occupied Germany. There is a neo-nazi effort to resurrect it but that does not belong in the FDR article

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opposing opinions. BTW, I have no "ownership" issues here, as I have neither written a word of the article nor edited a word. I am also neither Republican nor Democrat. I'm calling the disgusting politics I'm seeing. (signed after the fact) Mark

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Roosevelt looked at the evidence available to him: the Japanese in the Philippines had collaborated with the Japanese invasion troops; the Japanese in California had been strong supporters of Japan in the war against China. There was evidence of

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exaggeration to say that he took the government when it was a small racket and made a large racket out of it."—Ebeling, Richard M, "Monetary Central Planning and the State, Part XVI; The New Deal and its Critics," Freedom Daily 9, Feb 1998, p15.

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Look up "FDR as worst president" on google and you will find people saying "my old uncle used to say that years ago". Yes, and that generation has died out. I challenge anyone to come up with evidence that more than 10 scholars rank FDR low.

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In general a very well written article. I have a little nit to pick, though. In the section Political Career you write "(The Encyclopedia Britannica...says that 'by careful exercises and treatments at Warm Springs he gradually recovered',

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the allies consisted of a lot of countries--like Australia, Canada, Britain, Free France, Norway, Brazil, China, etc in addition to USSR. FDR was the leader for all except the USSR which was mostly independent (and thus barely an ally)

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The reason the "von Mises crowd" gets little attention is they aren't trying to hijack the country like your polemic friends and enemies. They have a crystal clear plan—stop screwing with the economy—at the macro- and micro-economic

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Why leave out 1933 to 1948? I'm more than happy to give both parties credit for having their heads firmly planted in unreality land (I have no emotional investment in either party.) You seem to be one who wants to make it a polemic

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What?? There are lots of facts in this article that don't have an article of their own. What are you talking about "NO POV"? How is it POV to mention a FACT? It's not. Deleting fact because you don't like they reveal is what's POV.

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No, it is not a source. The main purpose of the linked article is to propagate a very controversial and minority opinion, and therefore a clear violation of the neutrality principle. Could you provide us with a more factual source?

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The no-third-term precedent was very strong, and was later put explictly into the Constitution. Grant and TR insisted it meant no-consecutive-3-terms. Most people disagreed with that interpetations and neither Grant nor TR was

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I will not accept the repeated removal of the "early life" section and its replacement by the illiterate rubbish that was included in its place. I have restored this section and will go on doing so as often as it is deleted.

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after 12 years (March 1945) 426.9 he QUADRUPLED the industrial economy!!!! Pretty impressive numbers. Meanwhile unemployment fell from 25% in March 33 to 2% in 1945. If you live by numbers you have to praise by the numbers.

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Yes it is a source. A credible source. A professional historian. Just the fact that the author has a POV, in that it he opposes a progressive tax (a pretty mainstream position even), does not mean it's not a credible source.

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collapse of the world trading system. And if any politicians are to be blamed for that it must be Hoover and Mellon, not FDR. The Depression was the culmination of a decade of free-market, pro-business Republican rule.

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05:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC) More to the point, he would have to be a hypocrite or a liar or both to "lead" a war he claimed to want nothing to do with. The "leadership" claim—especially before December 1941—has no merit.

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the depression was the natural resilience of the economy and WW2." I feel if you're going to quote, him this much should be clear. And, he definitely should be quoted as he's one of the most respected economists alive.

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Someone mistook pseudo-Greek IPA letters for actual IPA. and should probably be and respectively but I can't be sure, because in proper IPA actually represents a consonant sound which doesn't exist in English (a

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I of course have no objection to you or anyone else making relevant additions to the article. No doubt there is more that could be said about many things. But I see, for example, you have deleted the sentence about

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verifiable info. Recent comparisons with Wiki show EB full of errors. (As is Wiki). EB has no good way of removing errors but Wiki does. There are plenty of solid books that can be used--see the bibliography.

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they believe accompanied the FDR administration. Repeated attempts to balance the article have been obliterated, and a "fan-boy" attitude remains on the talk page for all to see. (signed after the fact) Mark

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I strongly disagree with you. It's directly connected to FDR. FDR signed the order. He's the one that stole Americans' gold. I don't see how anyone could think that is not notable. Enough of this censorship.

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the reason the von Mises crowd gets little attention is they pay little attention. They did not in 1933 have a plan, they do not in 2006 have a plan. So why should anyone pay attention to them then or now?

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there was plenty of secret diploacy but ALL funding was approved by Congress before and after 1941. no exceptions. As for the poor goaded Japanese, they should have cooperated with their neighbors better.

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FDR had the best economic performance in American history (no one is close) and probably the best in world history, but there are some critics who say that totally different policies might have done even

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After being handed a memo on this by Morgenthau Roosevelt strongly complained against the SHAEF handbook as being to lenient on the German population. At a cabinet meeting, he said that the Germans could

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US domestic political history. My main concern with the damage done to this article (apart from the grammar etc) was with the foreign policy and World War II sections, on which I do claim some expertise.

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Since many people consider FDR the worst American President this sentence might better read: Universally called FDR, he was both loved and hated in his day and such strong feelings continue to this day.

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He goes on to discuss how it got them jobs in an anti-semitic environment, and he continues to the statement that has been provided out-of-context. Any fool can see that he was reflecting on his past

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references listed cover all the information involved. Almost no facts are in dispute--instead there are moralistic judgments about whther what FDR did was good or evil. Sources don't help much there.

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Page 277 In the winter of 1946-1947 President Truman sent former President Herbert Hoover on a tour of Western Germany. In his situation reports Hoover warned that the economy of the defeated land had

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I said nothing conciliatory toward the Japanese—only pointed to the goading. You still haven't indicated why his behavior constituted "leading the allies." It seems to me Churchill lead the allies.

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So in other words, the American people are stupid and just elected him to four terms for grinns and giggles. Please, don't insult the "Greatest Generation." (I moved this comment, which had been

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Adam, well I confess my grammar and spelling are imperfect. I will be glad to corect your misstatements one by one. Starting with the misinterpretation of 1932, and your ignoring the interregum.

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way this FDR article is now, is totally unscholarly with dubious credibility. The article is basically worthless for any reader that wants to have some comfort that the information is correct.

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Yes, his name was pronounced Rose-velt. Roose-velt has always been a common mispronunciation but his name was Dutch and in the Dutch language "oo" is pronounced with a very open "oh" sound. --

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I'm refraining from continuing in detail because, frankly, others have already pointed at bias, and I've already invested far too much time in this. The above is simply an example. Mark

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What part of "stop playing games with the monetary system" didn't you understand? The order in which events unfolded was no accident. E.G. how he made the same mistakes--only worse:

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I don't want to question the credibility of the source, but it is plain wrong to put an opinionate article into an encyclopedia as the main source for some simple and objective facts.

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Your opinion is not necessarily so unbiased as that of the woman holding the scale of justice. The belief that you have the truth and others are opinionated is very dangerous. Mark

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economic recovery throughout western Europe suddenly stalled and went into a tailspin, coinciding with the necessity for facing up to the problems of Germany at the Moscow Conference.

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I feel it should be mentioned since this ended up influencing U.S. occupation policy in Germany in the years 1945-1947 (Through amongst others the Joint Chiefs of Staff Directive 1067

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The IPA pronunciation for Delano is frustrating. I'm a fairly intelligent guy (or so I like to think), but I can't make sense of it. Some of the symbols in don't appear to be on the

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As stated, I will go on deleting RJII's edits until he/she stops adding opinionated, trivial and unnecessary material to this article. (Why does this article attract so many cranks?)

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That's not the half of it. This deliberate misrepresentation of Friedman is the result of taking his comment completely out of context. Friedman begins by saying the following:

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I'm not relying on any studies. It's not a matter of studies. It's just a matter of reporting the facts. FDR ordered that people turn in their gold and get paper money in return.

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rise, too. It's BS. You can't make money by throwing it at government. That's how you waste money, and that's what happened, and why the Great Depression lasted through WW II.

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wrestling a monopoly of the monetary system to the government, then abusing it, to cause the mess. Further government irresponsibility made it worse. As they say, "Go figure!"

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I'd like to change the second and third paragraphs under "Private crisis" section to the following two paragraphs (just the text is shown below, I will fix up the references):

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That doesn't explain why you think funding the war behind the back of Congress and the American People before finally goading Japan into war constitutes "leading the allies."

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No POV. If you think a person is a thief, you should start your own blog. But please don't put POV into Wiki. You might read the Surpreme Court decisions upholding the law at

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The victorious Allies …delayed by several years the economic reconstruction of the war torn continent, a reconstruction which subsequently cost the US billions of dollars’’.

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I whole heartedly agree with your statement. Some of the deletions you made were well justified. However, the rational behind FDR's decision to intern 170,000+ people of

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How about we source this article properly? Just having a list of references at the bottom doesn't do it if there are no footnotes in the text linking to those references.

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Apart from one tendentious phrase, I have no problem with your latest edit. Most of it is expansion and rephrasing of existing points rather than "corrections of errors."

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at your talk page, when I get time I will go through the article again and remove all the recent POV and unencyclopaedic detritus, including no doubt most of your edits.

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What do the "American people" know about economics? "Take from the rich and give to the poor" is pretty much the extent of knowledge of economic theory for the masses.

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Overenthusiastic techies; can't live with 'em, can't live without them. I generally find it less bad than the other options, but here the pseudo-English will do fine. ～

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the article is pretty good. Perhaps out anonymous poster has a better plan to solve 24% unemployment and massive poverty? It would be a shame to keep it secret.

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I just used the citations to show that things aren’t as clear-cut as your reply made them seem. The subject is full of grey areas. But fine, have it your way.

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Most of the edits I restored were not made by "experts" but by the usual illiterate dimwits who make most edits to articles on high-profile subjects like this.

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While I don't doubt that today many people don't actually remember FDR I still think the introduction paints an overly rosy view of a controversial figure. --

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This article has to be about FDR and not about all the millions of things that happened to 140 million people on his watch. See separate articles for that.

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by Republicans (to my knowledge.) If you want to blame Republicans for having a hand in it, go ahead—I've as much as given them credit along with FDR—but

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When statements are challenged they have to be backed by sources. So will RJii please tell us the sources he is using so we can evaluate them and not him.

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cables were kept secret from all but those with the highest clearance, such as Roosevelt, lest the Japanese discover the decryption and change their code.

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Regarding "change 'overcame crippling polio' in intro to 'overcame a crippling paralytic illness'" wouldn't "overcame paralytic illness" be sufficient?

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democratic will to win, again I say, let him look to Norway." and "any nation seeking to resist tyranny and build democracy need only 'Look to Norway'"

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Page 170 Thankful for JCS 1067’s militant language, Morgenthau chose to ignore how McCloy had used the directive to weaken his plan with his loopholes.

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The results are not the opinion of the Wall Street Journal. It's the results of a survey that was conducted in conjunction with the Federalist Society.

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Pg 212, the last time Morgenthau Spoke with Roosevelt, just before his death, the President told Morgenthau that he was with him one hundred percent.

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terms, but doesn't this still count as a third term? If we are to use the much later 22nd Amendment as a guide, any term over 2 years is a full term.--

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made it worse, and somehow got credit for fixing what didn't get fixed until after he was gone (and wasn't fixed by any miracle-work by government.)

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I believe this to be a "Good Article" on it's way to being a featured article, it looks like it's been forgotten about. Compliments to the editors.

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The facts are fine, but I think that external links to opinionated articles in the web are clear violations of the wikipedia neutrality principle.

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While I am generally reluctant to interfere in discussions of this nature, I would like to point our anonymous contributor toward our articles on

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I thought I had read 'most everything on FDR and don't recall anyone mentioning that speech. If it had an impact in Europe it should be included.

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And, no that is not part of the "new deal." That and the devaluation was simply one of the ways he obtained money to help pay for the "new deal."

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the system anyway. The resilience of the human spirit is the only thing that got the United States through his disastrous make-work presidency.

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during the first two years of the allied occupation the Treasury program of industrial dismantlement was vigorously pursued by American officials

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I agree. That's very POV. What is "the capitalist system"? It certainly wasn't a laisser-faire system as capitalism is commonly defined today ("

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the information is deleted from the article. We have to put footnotes, especially with controversial articles like this. It's the best way. See

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a previous recession in the early 1920s, but since nothing was done to "fix" it, it did not turn into a "Great Depression"—unlike FDR's fiasco.

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at the time he was starting his career. The whole chapter in which he was misquoted was a reflection on how FDR's trashing of the economy was

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Well, go ahead... do a web search on "fdr 'worst president'" and see 131,000 hits--it's no accident they're found in the company of each other.

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Objective readers will notice, if they read the article, and the talk page for the article, that the current version of the article could not

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What claim? That the EB said what it said? I have quoted it. That the claim is untrue? This is common knowledge. Cite my source for what?

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the strong emotions have pretty well died out. He died 60 years ago and only the very old remember his controversial years before 1940.

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No, they did it because hawking the future benefited them, just like misguided people do today. Oddly enough, Roosevelt was initially

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that it's sourced. There is absolutely nothing wrong with putting an "opininated source" in an article. Most sources are opinionated.

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Franklin Roosevelt was the preaident of course. HE was the 32nd president. I was bit suprised he died of the death. Just to tell you.

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Why is it being deleted by Rjensen and Adam that FDR ordered private gold be turned in for paper money? This is EXTREMELY notable.

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he was a hypocrite, but for the sake of the point I was supposing he wasn't. This wasn't the only thing he was a hypocrite about.

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Freidel summarized FDR's statements. p 101 mentions cotton and wheat sales for example and the heavy pressure from rural senators.

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Sure...stop playing games with the monetary system, which is what started and perpetuated the trouble. Learn a little something:

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Intelligence, Internment & Relocation: Roosevelt's Executive Order 9066: How Top Secret "MAGIC" Intelligence Led to Evacuation

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If the Supreme Court didn't find the NRA and AAA as unconstitutional, then economic fascism is exactly what we would have. (see

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Point of fact related to NPOV, the NPOV tag was arbitrarily removed, without comment. I replaced it. 04:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

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for its ignorance of economics. But hey: when FDR took office in March 1933 the Fed index of industrial production was: 100.0

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made to understand that all necessary steps will be taken to guarantee against a third attempt by them to conquer the world.

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Big change is factual information initially described in a peer-reviewed publication in the Journal of Medical Biography

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Norway!! That must've been back in them days before Norway was part of NATO, ie. part of the worst arms rase ever.--

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Note that the conservative Federalist-Society / Wall Street Journal ranking of presidents in 2000 put FDR as #3 see

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or elsewere? Does anyone have info on this? If so could it be added to the article if it is deemed notable enough?

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which was a basis for US Occupation policy until July 1947, at which time policy shifted towards the Marshal plan)

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This article isn't even CLOSE to being up to reasonable standards that any Knowledge (XXG) reader would expect.

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Well, it's obviously ridiculous that a double "o" might be pronounced like a long version of a single "o". ;-) ～

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What's so funny about "progressives" is they think they're solving things when they're just screwing things up.

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Michael Beschloss, The Conquerors; Roosevelt, Truman and the Destruction of Hitler’s Germany 1941-1945. (2002)

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survery. In fact the WSJ news section was found to be more liberal than the New York Times in a recent study:

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You're obviously being deliberately obtuse. Monkeying with the monetary system and increasing government

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like FDR a lot but the article should remain balanced, I'm just looking for fairness, not to insult FDR.--

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Keep the Morgenthau plan details to its own article. This is a bio of FDR who died before the war ended.

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No-one at Knowledge (XXG) is allowed to claim "expert status" as a basis for having their edits accepted.

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Not all of your deletions were unjustified. I'm putting them some of the things you deleted back in.

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I see this article is being taken over by cranks (again). Crank edits will be ruthlessly reverted.

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be useful — I can't be the only one who can never remember if it's "rose"evelt or "ruse"evelt. ～

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Because it's not part of the New Deal. "Hey I've got a new deal for you. I'm taking your gold!"

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This is not NPOV. I'll happily accept being in the minority, though I'd dare to say that the

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05:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC) BTW, regardless of the hypocrisy, he still didn't "lead the allies."

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live happily and peacefully on soup from soup kitchens if she couldn’t make money for herself.

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the ration which caused thousands in the Nazi concentration camps to die from starvation.

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drafted and together with President Roosevelt signed a toned down version of the original

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without attribution, inside the previous contributor's comment.) 01:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

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The journal has seperate parts, conservative editorial section, liberal news section.--

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The evidence has now been published and is now referenced in the article: Keith Robar,

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The Conquerors: Roosevelt, Truman and the Destruction of Hitler's Germany, 1941-1945

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It doesn't seem to me that constitutes "leading the allies." 04:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

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the problems. You don't fix it by (in this case) "doing something." You do it by

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notable, relevant information. We'd all appreciate it if you were more reasonable.

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matter. (FDR did get interested in gold issues later in 1933, but not first week).

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what about the 25% unemployed in March 1933--what are your plans for them???????

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involvement in the war. NATO was established four years after the war, in 1949.

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I entirely agree. I've changed it so that it's now an uncontentious statement.

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Vladimir Petrov, an expert on the financial aspects of the occupation wrote:

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with statements such as the one you quoted. Mark 00:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

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That's not true. Some just had deposit restrictions. I provided a source.

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You're not the only one who's surprised that someone died of the death.

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Smith was not acceptable as a candidate in 1932. Why have you done this?

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would not consider it an "obvious breakdown of the capitalist system."

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The bias in this article is just shameful. It's not a "good article."

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Unless you're referring to yourself, you're misusing it. You proved

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withdrawals and have to close in hours. Wheere would that leave us?

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I found the text of the Order in an article for you. Here you go:

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If you disagree with any of my edits you are free to contest them.

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clear. If you read my comments, the entire fiasco was

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someone doesn’t recognize it as the Morgenthau Plan.

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