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any mobile platform. But you know that already. I tried to explain that to you when you brought that topic to the dispute resolution board, where you were told that you acted wrong by not even invoking the Talk page first. Now you act as if that didn't happen. You were also strongly advised to finally get a login which – apparently – you chose to ignore.
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does not contradict that in any way. Maemo is a mobile platform and when support for that was removed, mobile platform support was removed. You were phrasing it as if other mobile platforms were still supported by KOffice, yet there is not a single file in KOffice's git repo that specifically targets
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