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Vancouver Harbour? I'd say the Indian politicos who organized the expedition knowing it didn't have a hope in hell of succeeding; easy to blame it on bad ol' whitey, but when "you" (I don't mean anyone here, using "you" in the egneral sense) use your own people by putting htme in a situation where you know they will suffer - well, you have to accept PART of the blame; if not all of it, which is really the case here.......
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That is not the purpose of categorization. The purpose of adding a category is to illustrate relevance. The KM incident is clearly relevant to anti-Indian sentiment, since that was the primary motivator behind the exclusion of the passengers. Please don;t engage in ill-conceived obfuscatory rants and
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Indians. Ergo, it is an "anti-Indian" sentiment. The exclusion laws
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Palestinian Liberation Organization listen in the intro section. Of what relevance is a group that was found in 1964 to an incident that occurred in 1914. There is a lot of other stuff in that intro and the rest of this article that is highly questionable.
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