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I have travelled in thailand and never heard the word kathoey describing an F to M person. However, I did meet a few F to Ms and 'butch' women, and would imagine they're more than 'exceedingly rare'. I was told the terms "Tom" and "Dee" were sometimes used similarly to the
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the main transgendered/transsexual pages certainly wouldnt let a demeaning pic like that stand, and I dont think this page should either. it seems pretty obvious to me that it should be replaced, maybe with a relevant picture of the famous muay thai boxing kathoey, seeing as she is the most famous
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Oh, let's see, maybe someone wants to specifically flirt with female women (flirt-flirt - not shove a wad of bills down her panties and buy her, buy, you know, flirt non-commercially, human being to human being?) or specifically make a platonic transgendered acquaintance ("friend"), take a picture
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Does anyone know the name of the Thai buddy cops (I think they were cops, I'm not sure) action movie/comedy that came out last summer where one the two leading characters was a kathoey? Maybe it should be included. I also am curious because I never got around to seeing it and would like to see if
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I suggest changing "sao (or phuying) praphet sorng ("a second kind of woman")" to sao (or phuying) praphet song ("woman of the second kind") for cultural reasons and reasons of accuracy of translation. Thai people place sao or phuying (meaning girl or woman) before song (meaning the number 2 in
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An anon added five or six project banners to this article the other day. I'm removing WPMED and
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The article currently uses both "kathoeys" and "kathoey" for the plural form. As it's a thai word, there's a good argument for "kathoey" (after all, it's wrong to speak of "bahts"); on the other hand, it's an English encyclopedia, and I'm fairly sure that "kathoeys" is more commonly used among
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The Nong Tum picture is appreciated. Clearly the numerous less-privileged kathoey working in gogo bars that cater to Westerners are viewed by sex-tourists as sex objects (and possibly view themselves as such); documenting facts isn't offensive. I put the pic back, further down in the article.
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be pronounced that way, Mark, except that it would be absurdly optimistic to expect this to actually happen.... even so, I shall continue to pronounce it that way, and I don't think my rendition of your sentence would be any less "English" than yours. I could argue, with conviction, that you
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this need to be mention. i feel bad for native pattaya people they don't deserve this, people have been misunderstood native pattaya alot, prostitute and kathoey who doing this usually (not all of course) come from Laos and Khmer. give pattaya a bad name and now they leaving due to covid 19.
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2436:'Kathoey' is a Thai word that also refers to effeminate gay men as well as to trans women though is not used by trans women themselves. 'Ladyboy' and 'Shemale' are pejorative/insulting English words for a trans woman sex worker. It is also used on porn sites.
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I read the article and noticed that as well. It is an interesting subject which might offer an explanation for this phenomenon and its seemingly significantly higher social acceptance in Thailand compared to many other parts of the world.
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