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Kool-Aidman was left there for months without source, finally removed today. Most of the page examples listed have no source. And your attempt at applying a definition that excludes
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Then References to King Kong and 20,000 Fathoms, and even Godzilla should be removed. Godzilla is also not from ancient japanese legends but was inspired by the Rhedosaurus of 20,000 fathoms. You seriously have to complete some mental gymnastics to come up with a Kaiju definition that includes
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this section simply mentiones King Kong and Cloverfield, however it should note that any number of creatures, especially early monster movies such as the Beast of 20,000 fathoms and others would also constitute, and in fact America's giant monster movies have been cited as inspiring the early
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Failing to challenge the Kool-Aid Man and only caring about the presence of Clifford shows an obvious bias. It's not provocative language, it's a description. While editing this page you left up Kool-Aid Man. Someone else removed it, finally. Why was Kool-Aid Man more of a kaiju to you?
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