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English version. The only reason people are still so stubborn to think that its Kallen is obviously because they hear Kallen in the English version and think that the translators are god and know everything. Though I think Tohdoh should be Toudoh, at least they sound the same...I guess I can do what that guy that above me said and look at that scene in the anime...Oh, I just thought of something. If you guys still won't change the name, why not put a link so if someone types in Karen, it will at least show a link to Kallen's page. That would prevent some confusion...
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