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Israeli-German tattoo artist was believed to have been killed in massacre, multiple sources indicate the massacre was perpetrated by
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Looks like a piece of IDF propaganda. Dominant views change over time. Right now the dominant political voices are pro-genocide. Next year, that could be different. Decisions are not set in concrete. If the idea of deletion is not presently supported by the institutionalists, fine, but we shall
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