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their annual meetings every year is crazy. The board members stand at the head of the room and look as though they are daring you to have an issue they don't like. And if you do speak up they flip a coin to see with one is going to (nip this one in the bud). We had our annual 4th of July picnic yesterday and our common area and this year was even worse. They did not even put up a sign this year at the gate or the mail box area to let people know about the picnic as far as the day and time. I talked to several people who did not even think we were going to have one this year. And a lot of them have stopped going because it is nothing but a big drunk fest anyway. They put a sign up at the gate that says we have security cameras and security patrol. But we do not. They allow their kids to ride their ATVs on the roads here at full speed and then they themselves ride theirs drunk. If you call the sheriffs office they say it is a POA matter. I don't think so! We don't want to move. We love our home and have put a lot in to it. Plus we have some good neighbors as well. Their friends and relatives keep voting the same ones in every year. Its like and eternal cycle. Or a never ending nightmare.
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that racially discriminate. Unfortunately, that case has been severely limited to that narrow exception, in a subsequent line of cases. Removing it doesn't make much sense. That said, I'm surprised by the relative balanace this article turned into. I"m not a
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1212:(1) “Declaration” means an instrument, however denominated, recorded among the land records of the county in which the property of the declarant is located, that creates the authority for a homeowners association to impose on lots, or on the owners or occupants of lots, or on another homeowners association, condominium, or cooperative housing corporation any mandatory fee in connection with the provision of services or otherwise for the benefit of some or all of the lots, the owners or occupants of lots, or the common areas.
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the state's sanction of that ownership. The reason HOAs can foreclose is that (most) have language that there is a lien or obligations that is continuing or ongoing and relates back to the date of the recording of the declaration. Therefore, that lien preates your purchase of a home. It has priority. That is why in homestead states like flroida, HOAs can foreclose on homestead - under those circumstances.
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I agree that HOAs have way overreached their bounds into vague and overly broad rules that attempt to control personal coduct. Declarations hae become monsters of some of the worst legal drafting I have ever seen. I find that alarming. However, even though we own "homes" we are still subject to
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I think it's established that, if the owner of a house in a HOA sells their house, they're required to sell it to someone who agrees to the HOA agreement. However, if the owner dies and leaves the house to a beneficiary who refuses to sign the contract, what happens? Obviously the new beneficiary
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Our POA is ruled by a bunch of thugs who run the neighborhood like a cell block in prison. They cater to their friends and relatives and to hell with the rest. We have some really nice and decent people in this community who pay their dues every year and are treated like dirt. The way they conduct
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But my neighbor doesn't legally own my home. The limit of HOAs should be the regulation of public areas, not control of a person's private life. They have no financial stake in my home and they aren't the government, how can they foreclose on my home. Let's say you don't pay a doctor's bill, does
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Wow thanks! I had written about the racial deed restrictions that were the basis for ALL of these housing private deed restictions prior to the civil rights acts. They were erased by shills for this HOA industry. It was becoming quite frustrating to deal with them here.
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once did i get assistance with a barn raising or whatever. I'm on my own and I get to see how much they spend on managing the process to print me a coupon booklet so I can fork out 57 bucks a quarter.
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