Talk:Horse racing - Knowledge (XXG)

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perhaps could be added in/around the Harness racing section. Perhaps there should be mention of ridden trot/pace races as well? It might be too specific, but I am thinking it fits considering it is a form of racing. As there is a section mentioning some of the criticisms of the sport without citation I wonder if we should simply add citations to the current text or if it is better to add more detail then do the same. In order to seem neutral would it be considered acceptable to offer rebuttals or counterarguments to inspire more though or not? Also unless I missed it, there appears to be no mention of the China Horse Club who are furthering the sport in mainland China. I am not trying to promote them, but they would factor in to the history of the sport in the country. I complied a list of sources that support my claims above. I know they're not necessarily organized as of yet, but before I started poking around in the article I wanted to see what the community here thought and if these would be considered appropriate references. Thank you everyone.

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Place % 83.3. He won 4 races later classified as group 1 on the introduction of the group/grade racing system in Australia. An article on his achievements was published in the Australian Town and Country Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1870 - 1919) Saturday 22 October 1870 at page 24 which is available for viewing for free under the 'Trove' section of the National Library of Australia website. I can send further information to anyone interested by email.

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called Dangers in the horse racing article, then it should be about dangers of horse racing. I appreciate the comparison in numbers to other sports, but if it doesn't make sense as stated, throwing in off-subject comparisons just muddies things. If you think this drastically needs some other comparison, I suppose you could throw in something like "even more dangerous than hang gliding, mountaineering..."

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I asked at wikiproject gambling. They oppose it. I think that the proposal is beyond the scope of this article and discussion belongs elsewhere. Until there is a project-wide consensus, I oppose it, per my comments below, we don't have links to alcoholism in every beer, wine and spirits article, we

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Hey 149... Sorry if I reverted info that was incorrect. I don't really know about horse racing and there was no explanation for the change. This info must be in some sort of rules or regulations. It would be nice to see a reference for it if you know of one. That way if it were changed, other editors

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Hello all, I was browsing through the article and noticed there was a bit of outdated information as well as information that could stand to be added. For one, there is mention of the Pegasus World Cup still being the world's richest race, but this is no longer the case. There is also a section that

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Just removed two references to families which were irrelevant to the larger subject of the article. Both were unreferenced and likely put in by members of said families. Good riddance. Also, horse racing is reputed to be in decline, its popularity fading precipitously. There's nothing in the article

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Does anyone know what the term is for the practice of deadening the nerves in the hooves and ankles of horses , so that if they are injured during a race they will continue to run often resulting in the horse finishing the race but then needing to be euthanized . I don't want to go off on a rant but

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I have updated the career record for 'Glencoe II' on pedigreequery.com to read 58 starts, 18 wins, 10 places, 7 shows. The career record does not appear on the wikipedia page of 'Glencoe !!'. If the author of the wikipedia article wants a copy of his complete racing record/past performances I can

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Is there any reason this is not mentioned on the page? I see a section on dangers which covers horse mortality and jocky injuries, but nothing on the welfare of the animals themselves. Is there any reason for this? I feel like it's a pretty important topic that would be good to cover from an unbias

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in this article's see also section at the WP gambling task force. I am of the view that the link is an all-or-none issue; if all the gambling articles contain such a link (and arguably, if they do, there probably needs to be a navbox created) , then I don't object here. But if it's just a few and

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No real argument here, and there is also ]. The problem is that all the horse racing articles need some serious reorganizing and re-structuring and no one seems to have the time to do so. For now, the best interim solution is to probably add some nice sections here on racing in the other breeds.

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My thinking is that a fair comparison is to note some fatality rates in other sports to show where horse racing ranks in relative terms. For example, comparing sports seen as very dangerous, such as boxing, to horse racing, provides the non-horse-owning reader a base to understand the risks of the

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The claim "Just as Americans differ from the British on which side of the road they drive, so too do they differ on which way a horse race is run around a track" simply can't be true, as there are many both left-hand and right-handed British circuits. As well as at least three (like Brighton and

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Um, if they actually did that, they wouldn't be able to effectively run. They sometimes DO cut certain nerves on some horses who develop certain degenerative diseases in an attempt to keep them comfortable in the pasture, but such horses can't race. What is sometimes a problem in racing and other

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Thanks Montana. All good points. Do you think this article would work OK as follows? A section on types of racing (flat, jumps, harness etc.) with links to main articles on each; a section on racing breeds (thoroughbred, quarter horse, Arabian) with links to main articles then a reduced section on

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I replaced the section with the comparisons to other sports with some more recent referenced material about horse racing dangers and added info about injuries and horse deaths since that was implied in the 1st sentence but never developed. Hope this works for you. I just think that if a section is

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What does the fatality rate of college football have to do with horseracing? Those other stats do not belong in the article since they are not about horseracing. The point you didn't see is that base jumping and bowling have about as much to do with horse racing as scuba diving, mountaineering and

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The real difference between US and British courses is that the British are varied in shape, often quite hilly, and have a wide variety of distances. American courses tend to be flat with gentle turns and all pretty much the same short distance. But someone who knows more about them than I do can

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I haven't been able to find a reference to the racehorse, Tarragon (AUS) 1858, on wikipedia. He was a bay horse by New Warrior (GB) 1851 - Ludia (AUS) 1850 who raced in Australia with a career record of: 24 starts: 13 wins, incl. 1 x dead heat, won run-off, 6 seconds, 1 thirds. Win % 54.2,

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Letting you know that the website 'racehorsetalk.com.au' is about to be shut down by its owner. It was run as a hobby. It contains hundreds of complete race records (past performances in USA speak) of notable horses from around the world some of which have not been covered by wikipedia. Anyone

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Some of the claims are distinctly out of date- It claims that the Japan cup is the largest turf racing purse in the world, and the the Prix de L'arc de Triomphe is 2nd largest, and yet the Melbourne Cup was just run with a purse of 6.4 million $ US, and the Japan cup has only 5.88 million $ US in

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Horse racing doesn't have a relationship to problem gambling. Sports betting, handicapping, off track betting... betting on horse racing has a relationship to problem gambling. You should familiarize yourself with appropriate articles and see how they address problem gambling, not leap to the

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The whole article kind of sucks, overlarge sections are the least of its problems. Personally, I'd love to see ALL these "horse racing in country X sections tossed into some other article altogether (like "list of race tracks in country X") and this be an overview of horse racing generally.

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Sorry, made changes to this section before I saw this talk. The alleged value of a pedigree is impossible to describe with any accuracy, nor is it of much value to the topic of horse racing. I removed the explanation of terms and replaced them with wiki links, and removed speculation about the

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Should 'Horse racing in the United States' not be a separate article linked to in this article? That way we could condense the North American section down to a more concise description. Those interested in a more in-depth look could click on the separate page. That would make the article more

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for being "subjectively anti horse racing". Which is true, this was very poorly written with some very bold claims such as "Horse racing has operated for over 150 years without any consideration given to the animal it uses" which clearly isn't true. However no attempt to create a new section

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I've made a start on implementing your suggestion but I wouldn't consider myself knowledgable enough to expand any more than what I've already written. I don't think the Shergar incident deserves mention at all; Irish racing is much bigger than a kidnapping that happened over 20 years ago.

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I was just coming here to suggest the same thing! This article is very focused on modern racing, but horse racing has occurred in various forms for millennia! Also, what about the changing culture around racing: at times it has been a very popular sport, a "lower-class" sport, or an elitist

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claims the 'club' is second oldest, which might be more plausible, the ref's that gives are timing out on my internet at moment though. Seems this section (and the Champs de Mars article) might still need a bit of work. I'll see if I can find anything more conclusive, unless you have any

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You´ve mention that there´re many other topics related to horse racing, but i think the subject about a human disease linked to gambling and horse racing, should be quite relevant, so i don´t think it´s a case of POV, might be a bit of online clumsiness, but i think the issue it´s fairly

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I like that. Just capitalize the breed names, they are proper nouns (grin). I'm almost wondering if the "by country" stuff could just be a simple chart here, linked to the spinoff articles. I kind of suck at charts, but a basic design idea is like the one I have for color patterns at

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I reverted this info about the fatality rate of other sports since it is not relevant to horse racing, but it has been replaced. It is a very incomplete list and doesn't include bowling, base jumping, or many sports which did not even exist in 1984. I think the list should be deleted.

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above all those other pages gives the appearance of pushing a POV. If there is a particular relationship between horse racing and problem gambling, it can be discussed in this article (with cites to reliable sources), and the link can be included in-line in the appropriate section.

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If someone has time to fix it, the section on muscle fibers could be deleted, and the links put in to direct to the muscle page. It doesnt really fit to have a general muscle physiology section in this article as well as repeated elsewhere in Knowledge (XXG).

2830:. Basically, have a column for country, linked to the spinoff, and in the chart a short paragraph with very basic summary info. I may do a run through and copyedit here eventually. Revert or discuss anything I do that you aren't so sure about. No worries 2370:

My impression in Britain is that the big showcase meetings are booming but that the grassroots are really struggling. But without hard figures it's hard to tell. And what about Hong Kong, Singpore, Japan, UAE? Things seem to be going well in Asia.

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That definitely seems the right sort of tone now. Unfortunately I'm fairly sure the claim the reference makes that its the second oldest racecourse in the world is wrong.... (there's at least two early 1700's claims for British courses alone).

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What is described sounds more like denerving, which is sometimes performed on horses with navicular disease. While I read a harrowing account of this in a novel when I was a kid, I prefer to believe it's not actually done for this purpose.

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Just removed a link to the Victor Chandler betting site from IP user 212.22.228.187, which turns out to be from the ISP for Victor Chandler Online (Gibraltar). Not subtle. If they try this crap again I'll see about getting them blocked.

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Anyone notice that the Horse racing in Mauritius section reads like an ad... and the entire references section for the Horse Racing page seems to be ad's for the same course 'Champs de Mars' in Mauritius! Any ideas on rejigging that?

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Is it really appropriate for the kidnapping of Shergar to be the only fact mentioned concerning Irish horse racing? Surely there are more germane facts to mention, like listing Irish Classic races or a list of great Irish racehorses?

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I clarified it a bit for now, but good point about Thoroughbreds (live cover only), I don't know about Sbs except they do allow artificial insemination so maybe. That part of the section should be rewritten and have a good source. -

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Hi M, i don´t really have a goal, but improving the data from Knowledge (XXG). I observe relationship between gambling and gambling problems. I don´t observe relationship between horse riding and gambling, but with horse racing...

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using the information on the main article. I then condensed the United States section of this 'Horse racing' article down to a more reasonable size and linked to the new dedicated page. I hope people can see the rationale behind

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About alcoholics anonymous, it´s an international association, with a great job, but it does not mean alcoholism, and i do see relationship between liquor and alcoholism, but it´s out of my scope right now, thanks for the tip.

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Epsom) which aren't circuits at all, some (like Cheltenham and Newmarket) where there are different courses possible over a large complex of tracks, and two figure-of-eight circuits where the horses cross their own path.

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For those wishing to research that racing records / past performances of notable Australian throughbreds note that the Australian racing museum has recently posted a digitised copy of Australian Turf Registers online (at

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Mauritius: Well, bad parapharasing made sense in head. And those behind those links I listed is stuff I listed. Not horse racing-related stuff (unless you buy ticket online or consider getting villa there) and site with

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I'd suggest the other way around. Basically, this article should, eventually, cover ALL types of racing and be the "overview" article from which everything spins off by use of "main" links. For example, we do this at

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China: That mainland part made me cry with all dated information. I just updated it without cleaning it up much. And what comes to Hong Kong and Macau, I think those two should be combined because they run under same

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North America, for example, has a large section about horse racing history, tracks etc. that dominates the page. Yet countries like Great Britain have incredibly brief sections with a link to a more in-depth article.

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Thoroughbred, Arabians, Quarter horses all have races for them. This article should be rewritten to include those as well. Thoroughbreds may be the most famous of the racing breeds, but are by no means the only.

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to all the gambling related articles, maybe as a category or navbox as Montanabw suggested. I don´t believe than i can tackle the whole issue myself, so i would like to ask for help to cover this issue.--

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Bowling is unlikely to have a fatality rate that is relevant for comparison, and I'm not sure base jumping is actually widely acknowledged as a sport, so I don't really see the point of this argument. -

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The creation of the new page was good, I noticed that France and the UK appear to also have their own. That said I restored a bit of what you cut here, but still have it chopped by at least half.

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The system of naming for race horses is quite complex and notable, yet I cannot find it on this page. Would be interested to see if this is wanted here, or if this has been proposed before.

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sports is overuse of overall analgesic and antinflammatory NSAIDS like bute to mask milder pain, inflammation and fatigue. If a horse needs painkillers, it probably shouldn't be running.

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Facts that show horse racing in a bad light were moved off to a seperate page, which has now been deleted. It is clear that both the good and the bad should receive equal show on the

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I do remember a horsetrack on the bangkok map, but never visited to see if races were done there. maybe someone can research it and find out if its worthy to be added under Asia.

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1) As previously mentioned. Palio has nothing to do with sport. It can't be included in the list. 2) Italy has a great tradition of harness. These are the main races: a) Harness:

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1) As previously mentioned. Palio has nothing to do with sport. It can't be included in the list. 2) Italy has a great tradition of harness. These are the main races: a) Harness:

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1) As previously mentioned. Palio has nothing to do with sport. It can't be included in the list. 2) Italy has a great tradition of harness. These are the main races: a) Harness:

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Other: I included wikirefs (in good faith, again) only because people may not be familiar with other than Western to write years. And McNamara... Guess there is no excuse there.

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sport. I see no need for a huge laundry list, and good footnotes would be wise, but I do think a limited comparison is appropriate, which is why I restored it. JMO.

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section was split out. As the North American one starts with "Horse racing in the United States and on the North American continent dates back to the establishment of

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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.

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Basically, if your goal is to insert the article on problem gambling into every article that covers a wagering topic, that is probably WP:UNDUE (I don't see links to

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There are many other topics that have a relationship to gambling besides problem gambling, and they are best reached by navigating through the category tree under

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don't have links to diabetes in every article about candy, and I don't see why we ned a link to problem gambling in every article that concerns wagering, either.

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About my edition, i would take the discussion to the article´s talk page, but i usually reach for the user´s talk page before going to the article´s talk page--

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Oldest jockey club (founded 1734): Charleston Jockey Club, VA. Shortest odds ever for a winning horse: Dragon Blood (Lester Piggot up) 1 June 1967, at 10000:1.

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interested should access the material before the end of the month the likely end date. I have a copy of some of the material on the website as a contributor.

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I just changed one word of a poorly written section. I had very little invested. Thank you for your substantial changes. The section makes more sense now. -

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Can anyone explain the system of grades for racecourses? Maybe put this explaination in the article if it deserves a mention. For example, the lead for the

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I don't know who wrote this but it is factually incorrect. The most expensive stallions are not neccessarily the most successful racehorses, for example.

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Agreed, there might be a more sensible way of dividing this article up. However, as a partial solution to the issue I mentioned, I created this page -

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replacing the old one was made as far as I can tell. I will be working on a new and improved section probably called "horse welfare" or "criticism".

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broadest article covering a subject. Similarly people wager on golf, but adding a problem gambling link to the general golf article is a bad idea.

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I'm pretty sure that embryo transfer is permitted in Sbs; seem to remember the US Trotting Association recently rewriting its rules to regulate it.

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the page of sport in each country from corresponding article in other language Knowledge (XXG) to English Knowledge (XXG) which was marked in red.

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It seems odd to me that some countries have brief sections and then their own pages linked to within the article, and others like the US don't.

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usefulness/value of pedigree. If the value of a pedigree horse is germane to the article, perhaps some referenced examples could be inserted.

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Also it does not include enough about the contributions of Colonel William Whitley to the introduction of horse racing to Bluegrass Kentucky.

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it's definitly an obvious sign that a races results are more important to alot of these owners and trainers than the welfare of the animals .

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describes it as a grade-one racecourse. I'm a horse racing layman and I'm unclear. This would certainly be informative for other readers.

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Don't forget that they race Appies and Paints too. Eventually someone will have the time, motivation and energy to clean up this mess.

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Denerving, sadly, is used on racehorses but it is completely illegal and hopefully rare. A well-known British trainer was recently banned

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Criticism: ... Yes, rephrasing is good, but why change a year and certain word so article gives impression Japanese government is lying?

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racing by country. I've already started shifting some of the "horse racing in country X" material to separate articles as you suggest.

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I suspect a copyright infringement in the Korean section of the article in that most of the text appears to have been copied from this

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Good points, it seems to have some history per country but no overview. Also it looks like it might have lost continuity when/if the

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I would agree with Cuddy about "precipitously," but in the USA, gambling revenues are down and tracks are having trouble.

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Palio di Siena has nothing to do with sport horse racing. It is an historical race. So, it should be removed from this page.

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on every article about liquor). I think this is an issue to take up with the appropriate wikiprojects, not just me.

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In no sites about sport horse racing will you find any information about Palio. Palio is not a sport horse race.

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In no sites about sport horse racing will you find any information about Palio. Palio is not a sport horse race.

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In no sites about sport horse racing will you find any information about Palio. Palio is not a sport horse race.

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document that. And perhaps they can say whether American courses are raced clockwise or anti-clockwise as well.

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And don't forget that people of Siena get really angry when someone compares Palio with a sport horse race!

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And don't forget that people of Siena get really angry when someone compares Palio with a sport horse race!

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Should United States section be condensed and have a separate page linked to in the article?

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For the information of anyone thinking of doing an article on the subject, check these links

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Agree. I found one reference for the info I left, then dumped the rest. It was just an ad.

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Added clean up guys, the article needs more organization with topics and subtopics. Thanks

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If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with

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There are ways around such things, moving the article out of the way and labelling it

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email a copy to the author's email address if the author sends me the email address.

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https://www.sbnation.com/2019/1/26/18196598/pegasus-world-cup-2019-purse-prize-money

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In the Netherlands, sulky racing used to be televized, while gallop racing was not.

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http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1124475/index.htm

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it's inconsistent, I don't want to see horse racing singled out. Other thoughts?

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course named Newmarket... without article having mentioned the British Newmarket -

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into this article has been discussed before, seemingly inconclusively, in 2007 -

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https://alphasportsbetting.com/sports-betting-strategies/how-to-bet-from-the-uae

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to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for

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Although the anon's facts are wrong, they had probably heard of pin firing. -

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breed or into the growing number of articles on individual countries such as

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Hi, i didn´t mean to start such a discussion, but as the user adding the

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Embryo transfer technology is not permitted in TBs, uncertain about Sbs.

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after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add

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entertainment. I don't know enough to write this, but someone should.

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to the New Zealand section of the horse article removed the names of

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Racing records / past performance of notable Australian throughbreds

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could check the ref to make sure the right info is restored. Thanks

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Harness racing more popular than thoroughbred racing in Europe?

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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