Talk:Hatzalah - Knowledge (XXG)

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comparison to the sourcing of the rest of the article does not change things - first, two wrongs do not make a right, and second, there's a fallacy in the comparison. While the article as a whole could use a lot more sourcing, and of a better quality, it still probably approaches the subtleties of WP RS policies. It isn't a scholarly or controversial article or subject; those are the articles that require first tier sources. Material from a "sponsor's" web site is allowed for less scholarly, uncontroversial material, and the rest of the article qualifies. The new section moved off that softer territory, raising its its standard for RS.

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to something that is not visually too long. I believe the policy simply comes from the appearance of a long list and attempts by some to create articles that are really primarily lists (based on discussion pages about the policy and some scat on the net that isn't in the discussions). In reality, link lengths should probably be viewed in proportion to the article's density.. which itself can be questioned (do we want one article aout a broad subject, or do we want to break it up into articles about aspects of the subject, with an additional summary article? -- I've seen that one over and over)

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The linkfarm guideline does not refer to quantity, except to point out that having too few links is not a reason to add links. In this case, it is a balance between having to include in-site material on each of the organizations (which would probably start a discussion page fight over merging to one article versus having one article per neighborhood). The alternative would be to work all those links into the references section, and then sprinkle them as references into the article. However, doing so would make the material LESS usable, not more usable.

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felt that wasn't NPOV. Anyway, back to expanding Israel. I now realize that the structure with Israel having its own heading was absolutely necessary when the list fo chapters was still in the main article, and now there's far ess material, so it can be argued either way. Israel should be expanded with some of the following: more info about the competing umbrella organizations, info about their unique operations and protocols, more on the relationship with MDA, the funding crisis. If I had the time... until then, I can live with your edit.

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primarily be set up to make it easy to digest the material. The heading "throughout the world" was put in only to organize the scattering of relatively lonely Hatzolahs outside Israel/America. Israel gets its own section because of the size/significance of the Israeli organization(s). There should actually be much more material under the heading. I'm not going t revert now. If we gain a consensus that it should stay, then naturally, it will stay.

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the high level information about the organization on the main page. Compare the article sizes and do an honest review of the content of the chapter info, either of the hatzola chapters or the shomrim chapters. You'll see lines like "...currently has 20 members, including 3 rabbis and a Shmira Juniors program that includes 10 youths." I don't think that stuff is encyclopedia worthy. It's gratuitous at best. What are your thoughts?

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countries, Hatzolah is the most common spelling in chapter names (US, Canada, England, Australia). Note also the usage by Chevra Hatzolah of Israel, which is the oldest Israeli organization, and Hatzolah of WIlliamburg, the original Hatzolah anywhere. A small consideration is avoiding redeirects for existing links. So... reverted until consensus, please.

299: 195: 2493:. On the other hand, it is a notable and telling statement about the organization. Not everything that is unflattering is POV. As to the lack of a source, a large percentage of this article is self-referenced from hatzola.org or from chapter websites, neither or which post such a policy. My suggestion is, unless you know (even from a less than 2205:#7 - "Knowledge (XXG) is not a complete exposition of all possible details. Rather, an article is a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject." In general this article suffers from this. It is very long and has every possible detail about Hatzalah. I would like to work to make this article more readable and easier to navigate. 2032:

doing certain things other ambulance techs normally do? Is it because non-Jewish ambulance techs don't keep Kosher? Is it because "iconoclasts" don't want to be helped by people in uniform? I have no idea and the article doesn't express the "cultural concerns". I think the article would benefit from explaining the cultural context.

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names, the local spelling needs to be used. For example, in DRosenbach's recent mass search and replace, the history starts with WIlliamsburg's "Hatzalah EMS," where it used to be "Haztolah EMS" (as Williamsburg formally spells it), and Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton, a formal corporate name, also became Hatzalah of Passaic/Clifton.

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from Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton, an organization that was formed to compete with Hatzolah of North Jersey, or more likely you are involved with them. Why don't you guys stop performing this vandalism and showing more and more how the people involved with Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton act like a bunch of lying children.

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of CBALL, only para1 can be applied, and Chicago fits the parameters of what is allowed by para1. Perhaps a rewording that clealy states that Chicago INTENDS would be a better fit, as that is clearly verifiable. In principcal, I agree with #3, but I have not had a chance to review exactly what changed.

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Joe, I'm not against a statement, but it needs a few things that this insert lacked. As you agree, it can't violate undue emphasis (it did), it has not be neutral (Rex's was agenda driven, you toned it down a little), and it has to have appropriate sourcing (it had none, as you pointed out). Drawing

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Nope. Further, the new section is given undue weight (top level title for such a small section, with such relatively minor information), the title is incendiary, and even after Joe's calmer edit to tone down Rex's text, its still not NPOV. I'm removing it. Let some editor find the right way to put it

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A previous consensus was reached that the generic term should be transliterated Hatzalah, not Hatzolah. That is how the article title is now spelled, However, it is inappropriate to use this in some places. Where an organization/locality that spells it differently is referred to, especially in proper

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Sorry, I just saw this now. All your points are fine, but to answer point 6, perhaps that is correct. If we have a list page, why do we need the list on this page? This page should be about Hatzolah, and what it is and why it's needed, etc. If someone wants to know where there is a Hatzolah, they can

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2) The old version was confusing if the reader was not a Hatzolah buff, because of the "inventiveness" of some Hatzolah organizations' names. This is an encyclopedia, it is meant to be accessible by the masses. Explaining WHERE there is Hatzolah would seem to make more sense than using names that may

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Anyone stating that Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey doesn't exist is either being deliberately misleading, or was mislead themselves. There is currently an ongoing conflict with Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton EMS which was founded in Dec. 2007 in order to compete with Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey, and they

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The article stated that Hatzolah responds in 4 minutes and FDNY responds in 8. FDNY's site breaks down the response times by levels and a level 1 has a response time of 5 minutes. In addition, while Hatzolah has a response time of 4 minutes, the cited source clearly makes note that this is during the

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I'm sure there is a good way, I just don't wish to work at it. Find a logical place in the flow of the article, and add a single short paragraph something like, "In most Hatzolah organizations, all drivers and direct responders are men. This is typically an unwritten policy. Some Hatzolahs use women

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with every other use of the word being spelled differently. It's quite irrelevant which location uses which spelling because the article is not about any particular Hatzalah but about Hatalah in general. All uses of the word should follow the title -- consistency and streamlining is more important

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I'm OK with #1, as that function is well-served by the List article. I think #2 is a misapplication of WP:CBALL, because CBALL is primarily about not creating entire speculative articles, not about removing small forward-looking elements of an established whole. Further, the four four sub-paragraphs

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On May 21, Medic256 made a series of 11 edits, adding material about Ichud Hatzolah, and in some cases, removing or changing material about other organizations. None of the edits are sources, and some are contradictory to material that was removed but had been sourced. In an ever changing world, the

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Not saying chapters are consistent, just pointing out what is the most commonly used spelling in US/CN/UK/AU chapter names. I've counted them. Official names are taken into account in the WikiPedia naming convention, as in the titular (royalty, presidents) exception. Since that article refers mostly

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As I said, the official name has no bearing on the Knowledge (XXG) naming convention. Also, as far as the Google test is concerned, it appears that Hatzalah is the most commonly used name in English. It might not be the most common in the US (even though you have not proven that), but when Knowledge

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I've also looked high and low, there isn't one directory out there. Eventually, I hope to organize some regional articles, each of which will contain information about the Hatzolahs in that region, and will link to them externally on the more localized basis. That should reduce the size of each list

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It did not, AFAIK, violate any guidelines, including format, content, or original research guidelines. It is not in violation of the "linkfarm," guideline. Although the list is long, it is relevant to the article, serving as a useful off-site reference to the organizations mentioned in the article.

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If the FDNY response times are dependent on the severity of the calls, we can say that Hatzolah at night has an average response time of 8 minutes, regardless of severity. Their night coverage is not that great and they make no distinction in the article regarding severity and response times, as the

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Not really, as the part of "List of Organizations" is dedicated for all minor details of each individual organization, including information that may only be relevant to people familiar to that individual organization/area, however the rest of the article provides the kind of direct and high class

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The Shomrim page in an excellent example of the problem. Over half the article is about individual chapters, often crafted by members of those chapters hunting for any possible WP:RS that they can beef up their section. I think we all gain by having that stuff go on in a separate page and allowing

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The part I didn't buy was that the founding country gets special treatment... although, if you look at my past edits, I definitely took a very Israel-oriented article, and made it much more balanced, maybe even a little 'too' American! So my sympathies do lie with your approach, but as an editor, I

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What don't you buy? The reason the US was broken out is because there are tons of chapters in the US so there is a need to be broken out. I would be fine with a "America", "Israel" and "The rest of the world" system, but I think it will look funny with the current state of Israel's entry. If it can

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I think what could work is the following: Start off with the header sentence; "There are six independent Hatzolah organizations in New Jersey." and then subsection or bullet each Hatzolah, for example: Lakewood Hatzolah - This Hatzolah is based in Lakewood, NJ and serves the blah blah, for the more

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There's some value to having terse lists in the main text, otherwise you don't get a feel form the main article about Hatzolah's reach. When I used to do lots of editing on this page, I found a reasonable compromise: allow the neighborhood names in where they add some value, but try to keep it from

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Yossiea, you live not far from where one of the ambulances is parked, so why don't you go look at the state certification sticker on the side of the ambulance? Furthermore the leader IS certified in New Jersey through reciprocity of his valid New York certification. While you were on the phone with

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Yossiea, I don't know where you get your information from. I have friends who are active in Hatzolah of North Jersey. Hatzolah of North Jersey is currently State Certified, and has several ambulances and 24/7 coverage. You have obviously been listening to propaganda (that would make Goebbels proud)

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In the mean time, what to do? The link that's there can't stay. I'm thinking of putting in cites next to each neighborhood mentioned inn the artcle; the external links would then be references. I don't really think that's the way to go, but until I have a chance to write the many articles, it seems

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They are allowed to use lights and sirens in the UK on an ambulance - they were using them on a car. UK Law basically says to be an ambulance it has to be able to carry a stretcher. In recent years the UK NHS ambulance service has moved to fast response cars which attend an incident first and then

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As a Hatzalah member/responder, I have yet to see any documentation related to this matter (i.e. Hatzalah Halachah Manual, SOPs, etc.). Personally, I consider it more of a "general understanding" then a concrete policy. I concur with Yossiea, there are indeed female responders operating in certain

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I understand Hassidim are different. That's not the point of the question. I am asking for elaboration on the cultural or religious elements which prompted the feeling that a separate ambulance service was required. Are there things Hatzalah do that others don't do? Or do the Hatzalah refrain from

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No itention to get into an edit war. I reverted until consensus could be reached, and pointed out the reasons why it needs discussion (the comment cuts off though). My main objection to Hatzalah is that it is now has a common English usage diveregnt from any Hebrew origins, and in English-speaking

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Is there any reason the list of links was removed, and replaced by a single link to an externally-maintained list? If the two lists matched, that would make sense, but teh two lists clearly do not match. There is also some question about the legitimacy of the external list (politically selective).

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Not to pick on a point here, but the way the sentence is written makes it sound that it's 8 minutes for every situation, when in fact it is probably dependent on the severity. I'm sure a cardiac arrest gets a quicker response than a regular transport...which is why that sentence should be somewhat

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call an ambulance if needed. The private and volunteer sectors followed suit because the law was unclear. They can still use blues & twos on an traditional ambulance if they want to just like any other UK private or volunteer ambulance organisation, they just can't use them on response cars.

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and each paragraph uses a different spelling because each matzah bakery decided to utilize a different transliteration of the Hebrew word. With resistance like this, I suppose the consensus reached to have the article spelled in whichever manner was decided was only because there couldn't be two

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older sourced material could be out of date, but it would need to be discussed or cited as such. The material is also somewhat propagandist, instead of encyclopedia-like, and seems to be similar to some material that was previously removed as inappropriate (e.g., multiple references to Eli Beer).

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Yossiea has moved Israel from its own slot to a portion of "throughout the world." The argument given is that the USA should come first, because that's where it originated. I don't buy it. The overview material does give the historical weight of the US. The headings covering local chapters should

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The latter structure would make sense, but is a little unwieldy. The "stable" version is a reasonable compromise to organize regionally without having to either keep the United States as a separate middle (5.x) entry (USA looking like a continent) nor burying the big US organizations in a deeper

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My understanding from anecdotal reports is that the service(s) in the New York area less frequently treat non-Hewbrew-speaking Black/brown patients and more frequently refer them to 911. I have failed to find a good source for this, but also do not find a good source for equal outcomes based on

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Then we disagree. Proper names are proper names, and you can't choose their spelling. My name is Dovid, a variant spelling of David. If I happen to be quoted in the article on David, or listed as a famous David in that article, your approach would mean I would have to be David, not Dovid.

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In the "interaction with other agencies" section, the link to Nuran goes to a page about a village in Azerbaijan. As far as I can tell, there is no page about the organization in English, Hebrew, or Arabic- it's possible that it is now defunct. I'm removing the link for the moment.

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18:02, 20 September 2007 (UTC) Lately the Boro Park Chapter enacted a new special fly car to speed up the night response, where two volunteers sit inside a vehicle the entire night, it is split into shifts between their members. You might wanna mention that. (SolMax, April 21, 2009)

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The article needs "rooted in" added to go with "traditional", but also, there is an odd number of double-quotes in the paragraph. And the source for the "traditional Jewish values" part is not a literal quote but a paraphrase with "Frier said". I'm not quite sure how to fix this.

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Either Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey does exist or it doesn't. Yossiea says that they are run by "one person with no life." If that is the case (which it's not) he is obviously acknowledging it's existance, he just doesn't like them. It's very clear that Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey

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to names of people, one has to extrapolate for names of things and organizations. In this case, the proper name of an agency would be an exception. (Interestingly, any subject like this requires original research, in contravention of normal WP requirements of no original research.)

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Why does this organisation exist? The History section mentions the Hatzalah was created to "mitigate cultural concerns of a Yiddish-speaking, religious Hasidic community", but the entry fails to really explain this. Could someone please enrich the entry with some context? Thanks

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So now you admit that Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey does exist, and that Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton EMS is competing, but you are offering me a compromise that if I'll agree to let you remove this very true fact you'll stop vandalising the article by removing Hatzolah of North

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I'm also not seeing any sources for an EMT group called Nuran. I'm going to request help from a few Arabic speaking WikiProjects. If we can't find even a mention of it we should probably remove the line, as the group may not exist and just be a long-standing error.

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Doesn't mention anything about the old organization. And in fact, it rewrites history... nobody disputed that HI preceded UH, but the interviewer takes on faith Eli Beer's statement that he founded the organization way back when HI was started and UH didn't exist.

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Yossiea, so you admit that Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey does exist and that Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton EMS is competing within the same area, yet you contend that since according to you they are in violation of unnamed laws, you arbitrarily decided they don't

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I have nothing to do with them, but that doesn't mean I don't know things. I saw pictures of HONJ transporting groceries. I know that HONJ is run by one person with no life who just wants to make a name for himself. HONS is not a valid Hatzolah organization.

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Well then I'll just remove it, and post the letter from the community rabbis stating that HOPC is the ONE hatzalah to call in Passaic/Clifton. I admit that HONJ exists, but HOPC does not compete with them in Passaic/Clifton. Nobody in Passaic/Clifton calls

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2) Why not compromise? There is no reason to include that the Hatzolahs are competing. Push comes to shove, 99.999% of Passaic/Clifton calls HOPC, so you don't want to go there. We can leave it as 6 Hatzolahs in NJ and we can leave out the competing part.

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I propose that Medic256 be more careful with edits, and not remove material without discussing it here and providing sources, and that the material about ambucycles, Beer, and Kashash be either left out, or a good argument be made why they should return.

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What if we turn the list of chapters in to a table with room for comments on each chapter. That would also limit occurrences of the list (or the current region section) becoming a homepage for each chapter even in the absence of individual notability.

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getting caught up in puffery. Anyway, it sounds like you are not against my previous edit. I think NJ could be expanded with info about Union City being Klausenberg, and Lakewood being probably the #3 org in size (if I can get ref info to cite).

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Due to the depth that many of the chapters are described in, it made the main article unwieldy and huge. Rather than try to cut down the information about the 10 different NY branches and risk stepping on toes and editwars, I used the model of

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This change simply makes no sense. It places The Americas (continental level) within the United States (country level) instead of the other way around. It MAY have been an attempt to rationalize the structure to something like the following:

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Yossiea, if you have nothing to do with Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton, why are you repeating false propoganda that they are spreading? And don't talk about violating policies, since you are erasing true information and replacing it with false

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I would put the US as a sub-section of the Americas, and then have the US part under that, and then the rest of the Americas back at the US level. (Also, you might have a COI in editing this article and GM and his boys might not like it.

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Sorry, missed your assertion about the legitimacy of the currently listed directory. I just used the one that was on this article some months ago before it was erased in error. If you know of a better off-site directory page, please

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5) A complaint about "looks" is subjective. WP's more normative "be bold" would favor adding information and organizing it, as I've done, which is more objective. Please don't take this as getting personal, it isn't intended that

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For Pete's sake, people. I don't think your average Joseph is going to look in Knowledge (XXG) for which ambulance service to use while they're having a coronary, and even if they did this is not the place to debate who's best.

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undid my edit. I would like the community to review both the edit and my above reasoning. If it is found sound, I will restore this edit and continue improving this article according to the relevant policies. Thank you,

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Do you have any examples of "hybrid" lists in a format like that elsewhere on WP? How do we handle information in the artcile that crosses chapters, especially regional information and information about interactions?

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interesting ones like Union City or Passaic/Clifton, we can have the official name, and the city and then state the more precise details. I think we can do a maximum of 2-3 sentences per, without it getting too much.

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I don't see Hatzolah as being different than that or other chapter based organizations. Feel free to discuss it at relevant policy pages, and I'll extend my best wishes for success too, but don't get your hopes up.

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information you are referring to. But at least the reader can find all the information on one page. Starting off with the general basics, and gradually going into more and more detail as the article goes on. --

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A cardiac arrest probably will get a faster response time, but on average, their night response is 8 minutes. That is all we have from the source cited. FDNY breaks it down by call type, but Hatzolah doesn't.

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Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey clearly does exist, and even hosted a meeting of the New Jersey First Aid Council two weeks ago. Anyone doubting Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey's existance can visit their website

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The Hatzolah Israel collapse may very well be true (anecdotally, I hear the same things), but we need CITED MATERIAL, please stop sticking stuff in about it without attributing it to a qualified reference.

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to replace the one that's there. Even better would be if you know of a "central" website not directly associated with any particular local chapter, I can't seem to find such a site using Google. Thanks!

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Clearly even among chapters in the US there is nothing close to consistency in the spelling. We should go then with how the vast majority of English writers spell it, as evidenced by the Google hits. —

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heading level (5.1.1 United States, 5.1.1.1 New York City). It takes the density of New York metropolitan organizations at a relatively high level without destroying the logical continental divides.

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guideline, "Links in the "External links" section should be kept to a minimum. A lack of external links, or a small number of external links is not a reason to add external links." Also, per the

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I think what would be good is to have this page as just a Hatzalah page, what it is, why it is, etc. and then on the list page, expand the bullet point to a sentence or two on each Hatzalah.

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3) The bit about "in order of date established" is not useful, nor is that actual ordering useful. Most likely a vanity issue. The new version alphabetizes instead, and eliminates metacontent

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As a resident of Passaic, I looked into this. It seems Yossiea is spot on. There's a good deal of RS discussing HONJ several years ago, but that seems to have disappeared in the last year.

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was deleted. I argued it up as high as I could but the consensus was clear and was in fact expanded to all other fraternities' and sororities' whose articles had linked chapter directories.

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EMTs in certain situations, and many use both men and woman for emergency dispatch and other non-field roles." How's that? BTW, just wondering, do you have a special interest in Hatzolah?

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FDNY does. Also, it's interesting how FDNY measures response times from receiving of the call, I wonder how Hatzolah measures response time. But I am assuming they measure from dispatch.

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The "Americas" section structure (5.1) has been stable for some time now, but several recent anonymous edits changed it. These changes were made to only the titles. Existing structure:

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Come now, this back and forth page moving silliness is counterproductive. It's especially silly since there's no "right" way to transliterate a Hebrew word into English. In terms of

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to be the only way to keep those links, and being that there isn't anywehere else with an, ahem, encylopaedic reference to Hatzolah sites, where else? (Im lo po, eifo? `:| I guess)

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I think the reason that Hatzolah has a quicker response time is that they do not get the call then leave from the base, but they leave from wherever they are when they get the call.

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I am not very familiar with the rules of Knowledge (XXG), but if there is anyone who is and can help me put a stop to this deliberate vandalism I would appreciate it. Thank you.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20120813025250/http://www.catskillscoop.com/2012/08/breaking-hatzolah-members-illegally-ticketed-while-responding-to-life-threatening-emergency.html

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Freier said that what they're doing is not revolutionary but rooted in traditional Jewish values. They point to the Bible's Book of Exodus where the first midwives were women.

217: 2128:"Purely," I agree, but "practically," no. Too unwieldy: 5.1 Americas, 5.1.1 US, 5.1.1.1 NY, 5.1.1.2 Rockland, etc. I favor clarity over keeping a pure geographical hierarchy. 1681: 710:, should of course also be taken into account, and Hatzalah is much more clear to both English and Hebrew speakers, and moreover does not pervert the transliteration. -- 370: 1270:. This is a content dispute - neither side's edits were vandalism. I've locked the page to let you resolve the isuse in discussion with other editors here, or to seek a 849:. It is obviously the most commonly used variation. As for chapter names, there doesn't actually seem to be any particular consistency even there, note the citations in 3050: 3046: 3032: 3016: 2944:

Yes, the given source (Daily Mail, 2014) refers to a UK court case where two UK Hatzolah volunteers used blue lights and sirens on their private vehicles. According to

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I see that a section has been added regarding a male-volunteer only policy. After a quick search I see that it is a well known policy but I have (so-far) not found a

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The list of chapters does not contain any informational text about any of the chapters. Do you plan on incorporating the text form the Regions section in to the List?

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This Hatzolah is not licensed to operate, they have no crew, and their ambulance is not staffed. It is a rogue organization. Please stop putting it into this article.

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Catskillemt, there's some gross incivility in the above posts. Please consider striking it out. Any repeat of this behaviour will result in the usual applications of

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Suggestion: When the edit-warring gets out of control, report some incident in Passaic. They'll then be warring over some walkie-talkie instead of this article. --

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While I appreciate the motivations behind and the hard work put into the new *Regions* section, it does have some issues that need to be addressed. It is entirely

2607:. Any thoughts as to what info from this to integrate? I think that the campiegn is not worth noting but that the (now) verifiable ban on female responders is. 1359:

It exists, but it is violating state/city law. I know that they are not allowed to operate in Passaic. So your claim that PCH is competing with HONJ is not true.

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are policies, not guidelines. If your material isn't ready for "prime time", then it should be worked on in your user space- as I did with the chapter list. —

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The latest revision (which I reverted) seems to be yet another attempt to erase Hatzolah Israel. It may be going away, but folks, we can't change history!

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I know exactly who the individuals tampering with this page are, however apparantly due to the rules of Knowledge (XXG), I am not allowed to talk about it.

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Is there a policy across the board? I seem to recall some smaller branches do have female volunteers. (Staten Island comes to mind, as well as New Square)

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Yossiea doesn't like my edit. He's of the opinion that it doesn't "look good." So, let's get some consensus on this. I'd like to point out a few things:

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I just reorganized the regions section. It is now ordered by country and US state. It still should be sorted alphabetically but I'm done for today.

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in the right context in the right place in the article based on the right sources, right? (Five right's, for the EMTs observing this intervention.)

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6) The old version gave no information other than the list of Hatzolahs. That's completely redundant to the "List of Hatzolahs" page, so why bother?

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I propose a reversion of the uncritical search and replace, which DRosenbach, can then follow up by carefully editing the spellings individually.

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Taking only spellings from the chapters' own websites or official documents (tax exempt or DOH listings) these are the numbers I've come up with:

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The Red Cross is msssive, where as Hatzalah are not that big, and it would still look neat. Just like the Shomrim article on Knowledge (XXG). --

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And writing (Yosseia): "I know that HONJ is run by one person with no life who just wants to make a name for himself." is not gross incivility???

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Right right, we agree on that point. All i'm saying is that the sentence needs to be revised to reflect that. Something like "while Hatzolah's

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Why does it need explanation? Anytime you have an immigrant class community or iconoclast community, there are cultural sensitivity issues.

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Furthermore Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey currently has a letter of recognition from the City of Passaic, so stop lying through your teeth.

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Work in progress, it takes as long to work in the references as to write the text. I have the references, just need time to add them in.

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articles about the same entity! Other than pride, what is there to gain by having the article apparently peppered with misspellings?

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http://www.catskillscoop.com/2012/08/breaking-hatzolah-members-illegally-ticketed-while-responding-to-life-threatening-emergency.html

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than any particular sub-branch being properly represented, because there is no practical loss. It's like reading the article on

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The bigger issue is that many of the stuff will either be OR or not be RS. It'll be difficult to find something acceptable.

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nightime response time averages 8 minutes. The way it's written now makes it sounds like its 8 minutes flat. Anyway... --

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Yosseia, please don't use edit summaries reverting others edits as vandalism when they're not. This is also a breach of

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All you needed to do is add the words "by day". The averages still show a marked difference between the two services.--

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4) The old version lacked citations. The new one has some (could use more, but certainly far better than the old)

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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Dovid, what do you propose? Is there a way we can insert this information to the article in a neutral fashion?

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the state, why did you not ask if a New York EMT certification is considered valid as New Jersey certification.

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I once made the same argument as yourself when the externally linked chapter directory of my college fraternity

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Hi, I'd like to move the section in this article that lists where there are different chapters to the article

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from this for a day or two, until you've both calmed down a little. It's not the end of the world either way.

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to their apparent competition or to which is "better" in any way unless it's documented in an exceptionally

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an endorsement of the current version, its just the version that existed at the time I protected the page.

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i never thought I would get such a laugh from or agree so heartily with one of your comments, Brewcrewer.

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page, Hatzolah operates four Ambulances in London, all of which seem to be equipped with blue lights. --

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Hi there. Well actually such a directory of external links is a problem on a couple of points. Per the

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check out the list. Come to think of it, I think that makes the most sense and would be the cleanest.

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If there is no objection, I will retrieve the most recent version prior to deletion and re-insert it.

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be expanded, then it might look better, but right now I don't see how Israel needs its own heading.

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I think you should stop quoting false propoganda from Hatzolah of Passaic/Clifton and get a life.

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Do what you will, but frankly I don't think it's something to get in an edit war about. Cheers! —

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in my userspace. I'll add citations as are in the Eruvin list and more listings. Your thoughts? —

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Besides, the leader doesn't even have a valid NJ EMT license. (I just verified with the State.)

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I shortened the phrasing to a more encyclopedic and less promotional tone as per the policy of

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This turns it from an inconsistent-but-not-incorrect text to a consistent-but-incorrect text.

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I concur with Ynhockey on this. Hatzalah has more Google hits than all the other variations

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operate within Hatzolah EMS of North Jersey's area. They are spreading this misinformation.

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So, I reverted the recent changes. Let the counterarguments come or accede by silence.

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Thanks. Now remind me again, what were we fighting about about at Rachel Corrie? ;-) --

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SolMax, feel free to drop it into the article, if you can show a source for the info.

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provide..." and "Our first training class is scheduled to begin the first quarter of

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BTW, an ambulance squad with only one member is not considered an ambulance squad.

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I updated the response times for FDNY with the release of the new MMR for FY 2007.

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USA: Hatzolah-9, Hatzalah-7, Hatzoloh-3, Chevra Hatzalah-3, Chevra Hatzolah-1

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Rachel Corrie... that was awesome, guys! Let's run her over again! :) :) --

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1) I agree that use of "town" was sloppy, I will change it to municipality.

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Ok, can we get a citation for the cooperation or training with Hatzolah?

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O transparency, I ne'er knew thee well! 04:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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Why would the "List of Hatzalah orgs not be in ththis article? --

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Howdy. I revised a section concerning chapters outside of NYC (

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for a potential mockup. Feel free to dissect a bit then post.

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All of Knowledge (XXG) is a work in progress, really. However

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OK, I combined some of them, and I think it's a good start.

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Is there a third-party NPOV source for this? Specifically,

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exisit, some people just have a conflict with them.

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