Knowledge

Talk:Hard and soft magic systems

Source 📝

165: 155: 137: 437:, Sanderson actually explained how Lord of the Rings, unlike what this article is claiming, is one of the archetypal forms of the hybrid magic systems. It uses both extreme soft magic in Gandalf and relatively hard magic in the One Ring. The latter being explained in giving at least two powers to normal people: it gives you a longer life and it makes you invisible, and two detriments: Sauron sees you and you become corrupted over time. 106: 21: 55: 406:
Semblances from RWBY may seem like magic, but magic in RWBY is a completely different concept that seems to be limitless. The magic in RWBY is not governed by rules except for the fact that humans and faunus can't mess with life and death. However, the brother gods in the show use magic to return
352:
There is no real explanation of "bending" in Avatar other than some spirits gave people the power to "bend elements", and they have to dance sometimes or just wave their hands other times. The rules of this mysterious magic aren't ever explained. The only connection between bending and the hard
379:
This paragraph describes 'hard and soft' as a spectrum, but no definition of that spectrum is found in this article nor is there any citation for supporting documentation. There are two types of magic defined: 'hard' and 'soft' — no ‘spectrum’ is laid out with supporting sources. This paragraph
325:
All of this is based on one writer's personal opinions on things that don't actually exist. The fact that some people like that one author's idea does not make this worthy of a Knowledge article. There are all sorts of unproven and uncited assertions in this article. It should be nominated for
407:
people to life, make someone unable to die, and the god of darkness pretty much wiped out almost every person in the world except for one most likely with magic since it was apparently a gift from the gods. So is RWBY an example of both?
353:
magic definition given is that they get tired when bending. I'm proposing moving it to soft magic and adding KingKiller chronicles in its place. A magic system that is literally explained in an attempt to make it feel like a science.
456:
4 votes to merge and 7 to keep. And the result is to merge. With no evidence for the merges and deletions, and all the references in keep. They don't even pretend the discussion is relevant anymore.
471:
Ah, the same person that came to that conclusion also decided 10 keeps and 1 delete meant the following was a delete consensus, but was then later forced to undo the whole dumb thing.. Lovely
285: 75: 284:
Apart from the fact that a lot of the writing seems to be really basic, there are too many uses of terms like "interesting" making it seem far from neutral. Also not sure about the sources.
225:
If Hard Magic is defined by how consistently and rigorously the magic is applied, why are superheroes listed as hard magic? Only source is this wikipedia page
262:
Also, there seems to be a problem of over-reliance on one source. This seems like a useful conceptual distinction; is nobody using it but Brandon Sanderson?
85: 503: 271: 498: 187: 387: 333: 414: 360: 434: 232: 289: 178: 142: 473:
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Knowledge:Articles_for_deletion/Eastern_Rail_Services&diff=prev&oldid=963373352
40:
on 30 June 2020 and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see
117: 267: 256: 252: 61: 391: 337: 418: 364: 236: 105: 263: 123: 410: 383: 356: 329: 228: 54: 438: 303:
This reads like a fan page for an idea of Brandon Sanderson. Page should be cut down and merged to
186:
on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
479: 461: 442: 304: 170: 37: 33: 483: 465: 446: 422: 395: 368: 341: 315: 293: 274: 240: 154: 136: 492: 475: 457: 308: 183: 160: 64:. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination: 99: 49: 15: 307:. Otherwise it fails to meet any standard for inclusion---- 472: 41: 28: 259:, since Knowledge article titles use sentence case. 182:, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of 429:Lord of the Rings combining multiple magic systems 8: 408: 381: 354: 327: 226: 131: 116:does not require a rating on Knowledge's 133: 251:This article's title should move from 286:2409:4042:2496:3AEB:4953:EF96:4CAF:C0 176:This redirect is within the scope of 103: 7: 122:It is of interest to the following 14: 504:NA-importance Literature articles 375:Spectrum and Hybrid Magic Systems 196:Knowledge:WikiProject Literature 163: 153: 135: 104: 53: 19: 199:Template:WikiProject Literature 60:This article was nominated for 1: 396:21:56, 20 February 2020 (UTC) 342:17:26, 20 December 2019 (UTC) 190:and see a list of open tasks. 499:NA-Class Literature articles 369:14:34, 22 January 2020 (UTC) 275:23:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC) 257:Hard and soft magic systems 253:Hard and Soft Magic Systems 241:00:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC) 29:Hard and soft magic systems 520: 294:21:24, 18 March 2019 (UTC) 484:07:56, 20 June 2020 (UTC) 466:07:45, 20 June 2020 (UTC) 316:17:15, 27 July 2019 (UTC) 148: 130: 447:22:35, 25 May 2020 (UTC) 423:19:44, 2 May 2020 (UTC) 179:WikiProject Literature 84:, 7 January 2020, see 380:should be deleted. 26:The contents of the 433:In his most recent 348:Avatar? Hard Magic? 202:Literature articles 74:, 28 May 2020, see 118:content assessment 425: 413:comment added by 398: 386:comment added by 371: 359:comment added by 344: 332:comment added by 305:Brandon Sanderson 243: 231:comment added by 218: 217: 214: 213: 210: 209: 171:Literature portal 98: 97: 94: 93: 48: 47: 38:Brandon Sanderson 511: 313: 204: 203: 200: 197: 194: 173: 168: 167: 166: 157: 150: 149: 139: 132: 109: 108: 100: 66: 65: 57: 50: 31: 23: 22: 16: 519: 518: 514: 513: 512: 510: 509: 508: 489: 488: 454: 431: 404: 377: 350: 323: 309: 301: 282: 249: 223: 201: 198: 195: 192: 191: 169: 164: 162: 27: 20: 12: 11: 5: 517: 515: 507: 506: 501: 491: 490: 487: 486: 453: 450: 435:lecture series 430: 427: 403: 402:RWBY and Magic 400: 388:108.119.27.199 376: 373: 349: 346: 334:184.248.71.105 322: 319: 300: 297: 281: 280:Editorializing 278: 248: 245: 222: 219: 216: 215: 212: 211: 208: 207: 205: 188:the discussion 175: 174: 158: 146: 145: 140: 128: 127: 121: 110: 96: 95: 92: 91: 90: 89: 79: 58: 46: 45: 24: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 516: 505: 502: 500: 497: 496: 494: 485: 481: 477: 474: 470: 469: 468: 467: 463: 459: 451: 449: 448: 444: 440: 436: 428: 426: 424: 420: 416: 415:98.235.120.14 412: 401: 399: 397: 393: 389: 385: 374: 372: 370: 366: 362: 361:174.233.133.4 358: 347: 345: 343: 339: 335: 331: 320: 318: 317: 314: 312: 306: 298: 296: 295: 291: 287: 279: 277: 276: 273: 270: 269: 265: 260: 258: 254: 246: 244: 242: 238: 234: 230: 220: 206: 189: 185: 181: 180: 172: 161: 159: 156: 152: 151: 147: 144: 141: 138: 134: 129: 125: 119: 115: 111: 107: 102: 101: 87: 83: 80: 77: 73: 70: 69: 68: 67: 63: 59: 56: 52: 51: 43: 39: 35: 30: 25: 18: 17: 455: 452:Deletionist? 432: 409:— Preceding 405: 382:— Preceding 378: 355:— Preceding 351: 328:— Preceding 324: 310: 302: 283: 266: 261: 250: 233:173.18.125.0 227:— Preceding 224: 221:Superheroes? 177: 124:WikiProjects 113: 81: 71: 326:deletion. 42:its history 493:Categories 321:Notability 193:Literature 184:Literature 143:Literature 86:discussion 76:discussion 32:page were 299:Fan page? 476:Carewolf 458:Carewolf 439:KarstenO 411:unsigned 384:unsigned 357:unsigned 330:unsigned 229:unsigned 114:redirect 62:deletion 311:Cailil 120:scale. 34:merged 112:This 72:Merge 36:into 480:talk 462:talk 443:talk 419:talk 392:talk 365:talk 338:talk 290:talk 268:1968 264:Q·L· 247:Move 237:talk 82:keep 255:to 495:: 482:) 464:) 445:) 421:) 394:) 367:) 340:) 292:) 239:) 478:( 460:( 441:( 417:( 390:( 363:( 336:( 288:( 272:☿ 235:( 126:: 88:. 78:. 44:.

Index

Hard and soft magic systems
merged
Brandon Sanderson
its history
Articles for deletion
deletion
discussion
discussion

content assessment
WikiProjects
WikiProject icon
Literature
WikiProject icon
Literature portal
WikiProject Literature
Literature
the discussion
unsigned
173.18.125.0
talk
00:23, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Hard and Soft Magic Systems
Hard and soft magic systems
Q·L·
1968

23:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
2409:4042:2496:3AEB:4953:EF96:4CAF:C0
talk

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.