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Catholic Church, Jehovah's Witnesses, and many other lesser known cults. The Jehovahs also have their own "legal" system, based upon Old Testament law, which makes the prosecution of the perpetrators highly unlikely (e.g. there
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American haredi culture. "Seminary" is the correct word for a women's gap-year program in Jewish Orthodoxy, as distinct from "yeshiva", which can be used for any level of men's education, and from "rabbinical seminary", which might be used for a degree-granting
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Charedi world, fine, but then we should see high rates of molestation and rape reported in people who leave the Charedi world; since the general
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Your lies and antisemetism is highly concerning. Your lack of journalistic integrity is more concerning. The fact that white supremacists can use both of these issues to their benefit against Jews is even more concerning. That last one is the reason I even encountered this site.
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