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Hastings. Even more interestingly, Hastings + England + "New Zealand" returns 500,000 hits, so one in six of those pages could be about either or both of these Hastingses. Think about it - if my search above found that most of the top articles which didn't specify Sussex, New Zealand, or Australia weren't about the one in Sussex but were on a wide range of disparate subjects, you'd expect a big range of subjects for the search you did. But even if they weren't, and we assume for one moment that every single article in your google search was for the Sussex Hastings - excluding those which has Hastings, England, and New Zealand in them (which could easily be about either), that would give a maximum of 2.8 million ghits, with Hastings, New Zealand and Hastings, Minnesota each returning over 2 million. It may be the primary Hastings, but by a pretty small margin - arguably not by enough as far as satisfying
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Victoria. ghits hits for just Hastings comes to 24.7 million. Take away the 2 million New Zealand ghits and the 8 million Victorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Hastings&action=edit§ion=4ia ghits, you still are left with 14.7 million ghits which seem to be linking to the Sussex Hastings. ++
1770:- they deal with these sorts of things more than either of us, I'd guess, and they're more likely to have an objective view on the subject. I'll leave it there unless there's something requiring my input - and have a go at shifting some of the misdirected links pointing to Hastings in the whatlinkshere list.
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The early 19th century saw a grand, out-of-town hotel, the Tivoli Hotel (on the site of the current BP petrol station) and a row of houses, Silverhill
Terrace, developed to serve the hotel, but otherwise there was never anything here that could be described as a 'village'. Nothing in Silverhill other
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Is or isn't
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This is described as 'Olympic sized', but it was in fact considerably larger than an olympic swimming pool for which the standard is 50 metres, whereas the
Hastings pool measured 330 feet by 90 feet or about 100 metres by 27.5 metres. However I don't have a citable source for this. Anyone else have
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highlights that a borough is not the same thing as a town — although "town" is a dangerously ill-defined term compared with, for example, "city". But they're two different things. If they shared the same geographical space, as well as sharing the name, this would be made perfectly clear by option B,
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I am a member of the
Hastings Borough Bonfire Society. The picture you have is of Section 5 (an off shoot of the Bonfire Society but a group in their own right) They have their own facebook page as do the Bonfire society. It is also now known that the Bonfire event surpasses how many people attend
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I have inserted a couple of paragraphs under 'Early History' regarding the period when the Hastings area was a separate kingdom under the Haestingas tribe. I felt that Hastings having once been a recognised sub-kingdom in its own right was of sufficient interest to be referenced here. However, I am
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My statements were based on a lot more research than the short paragraph above indicates. (1) Hastings had 14371 views, the disambiguation had 1252 views, therefore at least 13119 readers did not disambiguate. Even if we assume that the 2453 people who looked at Hastings, New Zealand (and similarly
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I would further comment that ghits for Hastings + Sussex is low because the Sussex Hastings is so well known, web pages do not mention the county. Hastings + Victoria ghits includes lots of Sussex pages. The main train route is Hastings to Victoria, and there are many places in Hastings containing
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I would like to suggest that the page currently titled "Hastings (disambiguation)" is a more appropriate landing page for searches on the name Hastings. It needs some editing but is more likely to satisfy the general enquirer. Assuming there is consensus on this proposal, what is the best way to
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add some 180 articles to the whatlinkshere. (3) Indeed, Hastings + England does gain 3 million ghits. The first 50 include several articles on rugby players Scott and Gavin Hastings, three on Hastings School in Leeds, at least two for the Northamptonshire village of Yardley Hastings, and at least
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FWIW, having gone through the first 300 links (and fixed some 20-30 that were incorrectly to the wrong Hastings), I am now convinced that the best way for the article on a town to get loads of Knowledge internal links is for that town to hold a regular chess tournament. Seems close to 20% of the
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From a historical perspective Hastings economy had a lot to do with the sea, so fair enough to talk about this. From a modern perspective Hastings economy now depends mostly on other things. But what are they? I would take a wild guess the largest single source of revenue to the town is state
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Given how little we know about early Anglo-Saxon England, the idea that the place name can be traced to an individual settler known to be 5th century and Jutish seems pretty implausible. I very much doubt that there is a reliable modern source for this, but before I rewrite this section using
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I still believe that the East Sussex Hastings is the Primary topic, its the one most people expect when they type in Hastings. According to the policy, the article should stay as it is. However I do accept that contributions to this debate so far have had a regional bias. I think we need some
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Is there any evidence that seeda actually accomplished anything? Yes, I know it published and planned a lot, but did it it materially alter anything? Surely a much more important event was the expansion of the town after ww2 as part of the London overspill development. This enlarged the town
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What grounds are there for listing Silverhill as a former village? Historically Silverhill - like Bohemia (whose residents sometimes misclassify it as a 'village')- was never more than a farm, Silverhill Farm, which gradually got built over during the 19th century, as Hastings expanded.
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but not whether they went there expecting to find the East Sussex Hastings. It's very likely that a considerable number of those page hits were from people expecting to find an article on Hastings NZ, Hastings AU, or Hastings CA. (2) Looking at "whatlinkshere" may suggest more links to
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Whats with the big table about ethnicity? Does anyone care? It says the place is 97% white but goes on to itemise a load of categories of around 100 people. Is this here because it has become a standard to include such a table rather than because it is useful information?
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I feel the economy section should be updated or removed. As a 20-year resident of Hastings, I am of the opinion that a section that talks solely about fishing (and cites a fishing source) is not representative of the Hastings' economy, and is often totally irrelevant.
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involved an unsourced change to an unsourced figure. The figures have been tagged as unsourced since 2011, and I'm aware that I'm simply reverting one unsourced figure to another. I haven't found any current statistics from a brief google. Can anybody help? Thanks.
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although I'd want to see the word "borough" linked in the sentence. But since they do not quite share the same geographical space (according to the above, where the park is mentioned), there is a good case for option A which broadly allows for this distinction. –
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I suggest removing the paragraph in its entirety. I understand that it is difficult to find sources for how the Hastings' economy currently is, but a section, even without sourcing, and a "", would be better in my opinion then leaving this section in.
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In all honesty I think the demographics section hits the nail on the head with Hastings, its explained why it's behind against national statistics and the economic challenges it faces. I therefore propose removing the economy section in its entirety?
1705:(1) Okay, I'll accept that, though it is more than possible that those who went to Hastings didn't find what they were looking for and assumed that there was no Knowledge article. it is a fairly sizable margin, though. (2) The two templates on
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I seem to remember some such thing being suggested previously and being soundly rejected. In historical terms there'a bsolutely no comparison between the original Hastings and the various towns in other countries that have been named after it.
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Done the lot - and just for the record, the number of links relating to each Hastings now: East Sussex, 838; Minnesota, 523; Nebraska, 340; New Zealand, 273; Michigan 91; all others <90. Nebraska's Hastings was the surprising one.
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in England. I didn't know it was in Sussex though, so I agree that there is reason to believe that GHITS are biased against what's likely the primary meaning. Moving the dab page here is the second-best choice. –
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Hey, I have added information about the pier (a little information, just saying it's burnt down), and also removed some broken links (red). Should I replace these, or is it okay to remove unneeded, broken links?
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While I think the section on the net shops is interesting, particularly the bit about building tall and thin to pay less tax is quirky and interesting nothing else within the paragraph is of 'economic interest'.
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state that articles should be merged into the larger ranging article. This means sentence A is incorrect. As far as this article is concerned, Hastings is not the administrative centre, it is the borough. ++
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I've also removed the reference lower down the page to the Danes giving the town its name. This cannot possibly be correct because the hastingas tribe is attested before the Danish attacks on Kent. --
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How about an entry on the current rate of crime? Hastings is a dreadful place, with low education, low home ownership, and high amounts of petty violence and sexual misdemeanors...
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