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Ferdinant Of Aragon was not a Hitler an the Spanis Inquisition in spite of Anglos propaganda tales fortunatly were not for us the German SS The conflict was mantaining in term an level of religion not of racism ( as did the King of Portugal) And finaly thank for your article. Best regards
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fleeing from Europe to Turkey during WWII. Was there a mass migration to Israel? Were there any ethnic tensions in modern times that prompted large movements? The article makes it seems like all the Jews that went to Turkey never left, but 26,000 isn't that much, so it seems odd to me given how much was written earlier about the impressive vibrant midevil and early modern
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Heterodoxy" which is reference for the Jews in Yemen in footnote 24 here, deals with the Babis and Baha'is in the Ottoman Empire and Turkey and doesn't have any reference to the Jews in the OE or Turkey except that I mention Jewish messianic currents in Yemen in the 19th century.
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so interesting article Nevertelles a comment You said "Sultan Bayezid II sent Kemal Reis to save the Sephardic Jews of Spain from the Spanish Inquisition in 1492 and granted them permission to settle in the Ottoman Empire." Well the text is writen as if the Spanish Inquisition were killing jews As
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I recall hearing on NPR that there is an island off the coast of Turkey with a Jewish majority. However I haven't yet been able to find out which island that is (since Turkey has so many). I'm wondering if such an island could play a role in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process; specifically, I
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I just wish it is all true but I can't help but feel a little deceived as there is no mention of events of September 6-7 1956. Indeed there were and are ethnic tensions in turkey which reflect on the jews too. But then of course it might be fair to say that they are the best treated group among
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