Talk:Humour/Spelling - Knowledge (XXG)

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silly wars, and that is fair to as many people as possible. There are plenty of people out there who are motivated primarily by a desire to extirpate every single trace of American culture, but there are also many reasonable Commonwealthers who can be convinced that a fair Knowledge (XXG) spelling policy is ultimately a Good. Part of that fair policy, seems to me, should be that people can't suddenly change the spelling of an article, and then demand (by doing technical stuff that makes moving the page back impossible without a vote) a vote to change the spelling back. But perhaps others -- Commonwealthers or not -- will convince us that some other approach is better. Who knows? One thing is clear though: the current set of policies and guidelines isn't working, and is a recipe for disaster. Currently, the people using Knowledge (XXG) to further their orthographic imperialist agenda (which they justify by falsely portraying Knowledge (XXG) as US-centric, which it might have been a few years ago, but isn't now) have a way to eliminate all traces of American spelling. That means there's a problem. --

441:. This is incorrect. Many people, like myself, believe very strongly in a particular spelling system. This may only be 10% of all Knowledge (XXG) contributors, maybe even far less. Still, these people will be much less motivated to contribute if they begin working on an article knowing that someone might just arbitrarily change the spelling at a later point. A significant number of people will eventually get fed up and leave. This harms Knowledge (XXG). (For the record, I don't believe in "American spelling," I believe in "mild spelling reform." The Latin/Shakespeare spelling of -or words makes far more sense than most of the American and British spelling reform suggestions from the late 18th/early 19th centuries.) 596:

to improve English, since it's become a global language. Radical reform will never work. We need "very mild" reform, which means take the best of the two dominant forms, American and British. This means, by my reckoning, we end up with (where there are differences) about 70% American spelling, and about 80% British punctuation. But Wiki policy isn't that we reform English. It's that the original ueber-stub spelling is the one that counts. That policy was violated. That should be corrected. :)

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from with some exceptions. Personally a tiny part of my soul dies when I see American spelling and has led me to correcting books and what not in class. Maybe the easiest way to sort this would be to look at that page which lists examples of which international organisations use which spelling. I think British English outweighed American by 2:1 or something like that, but I can't be too sure.

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did. Who're learning British spellings? Europeans, Africans, but there's no way that they outweigh East Asians and South Americans. Two: "far more than the native speakers"? No. Wrong. Dead wrong. For no living language are there more non-native speakers than native speakers. With the possible exception of revival languages such as Basque, Cornish, Welsh, et cetera.

540:"center," etc., it seems clear there's been a concerted effort to wipe out American spellings. Personally, I -- and others I know -- will be less motivated to contribute if we know that somewhere down the line our spellings will be changed from those we believe in. (Note, since I suspect this matters: Many Noah Webster fans did not vote for George Bush. Promise!!) 223:

which states that, in cases where a subject matter is not about a particular nationality or community with a preferred dialectic of English, the first spelling used for an article is the one that should be maintained in future additions of that article. I put some effort into redressing this mistake and then someone instantly reverted my changes. Why?

264:"Articles that focus on a topic specific to a particular English-speaking country should generally conform to the spelling of that country". Humour is an integral part to British society. In the US, however, humour in the true sense of the word (ie. un-canned) is unheard of. Surely then under this policy 'humour' should be kept as 'humour'? 1053:

American spelling to the British spelling, the redirect is allowed to stand. This is presumably because Americans are fat and stupid, have no culture (and certainly have no sense of humor, aside the ones who do, who therefore can't really be Americans), etc., etc. Don't worry, the sun will never set on the British Empire! Cheerio,

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then the first) is the fact that the American Spelling is more common then the British (MortimerCat alludes to this). When all things are equal, the "Use Common Names" guidelines should be paramount. 3.) Reason three (of even less importance but still a point), humor is the one spelling that is not is shared by anything on the

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speakers it is closer to the figure for lingua franca speakers. Furthermore, the figure of 56,830,000 for the UK doesn't include bilingual speakers of Welsh and Scots Gaelic and others which according to these figures counts for another 1,590,000. If this is taken into account we have a figure of 57,420,000 for the UK.

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about this carefully thought-through policy to support a revert (or are anti-US or whatever it actually is). One contributes to Knowledge (XXG) under the assumption that things that are stated as policies are generally adhered to. When it comes to changes from U.S. spellings, I see a lot of evidence that policies are

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joke played on them. They grow increasingly frustrated by the British using such counter-arguments for Commonwealth spelling as the assertion that the British are cool. I propose we classify this discussion in the article under exmaples of the British contributions to humour, right underneath Benny Hill.

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I'm not even American, I'm just trying to do what's right. I really wonder where you guys are getting that silly idea from that British English is more common than American English. Kids these days mainly learn english from video games, the internet and movies. Most of that is in American English and

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Correct. Knowledge (XXG) policy on language usage has evolved and at this stage it is a non-starter to move a page back to where it was four years ago in implementation of a policy that did not exist four years ago. It has been voted on, and the decision taken, clearly. It would make no sense to move

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Furthermore, ironically, the UN, first proposed by American President Woodrow Wilson, actually uses international english..which in fact, is British english (much to the dismay of one of the above users!). If anyone has read UN documents (unfortunately, I have sat through my fair share of readings),

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That doesn't sound neutral to me as a non-American English speaker - it sounds like you're just putting your spelling! And how does humor make more sense? Pronounciation-wise, that would make it something like 'humm-ore' - 'hyewmur' would be (for me) a phonetic spelling, and make at least some sense;

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Whichever user tried to justify killing the 'u' by using foreign languages badly needs a new argument. Should we spell cockroach cucaracha or guitar guitarra because they are closer to the original language? Of course not, so that argument falls flat on it's face. I had another point but at 3:40am I

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Dear 195.18.216.204: While I agree with your reasoning, a more productive way of approaching this problem is to address a more general Knowledge (XXG) problem: when and under what conditions "voting" / consensus-taking is permissible, trying to set up a vote in the way you have below is probably not

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I'm with Matt. I think that we need a totally separate heading for 'American Humor' to explain to the rest of us why Americans can collapse into helpless laughter just because the 'canned laughter' track has been turned to maximum volume. Unfortunately this is spreading to the UK now. Some UK-made

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I just must say, considering the number of speakers is probably split between using the u and not, this article, which is rather neutral as far as nationality is concerned, should not use the u. Saying that the first author is correct is really pointless, as humor makes about 3 times more sense than

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Heh, normally the fear is that UK and other non-US spelling variants will get wiped out by US editors "correcting spelling mistakes", but I've never heard of a "concerted effort" to eliminate American spellings on Knowledge (XXG) before ;-) By the way, you "believe in" certain spellings? As in, like

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You've ignored one of my main arguments, which is that Knowledge (XXG) will be improved if editors know that policy is, in general, adhered to. "The first spelling used (in a non-stub article)" policy should be enforced. But I'm starting to suspect this is a losing battle. Looking around at "aging,"

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I find that really hard to believe. One: I know that Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Mexican, Central American, and South American students of English study American pronunciations and spellings. The Soviet Union taught American English as well, I don't know if the Russian Federation still does, but USSR

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in 2002 probably shouldn't have happened (at least according to current policy,) this article is well-established at the current name, and so IMO should stay where it is on stability grounds. It would like to make it clear that I am not advocating moving pages and then saying "well it's there now,

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You could not be more utterley and completely wrong. Articles are changed to American spelling all the time. It is a constant battle to stop pernicious tide of spellings being changed by people who think that a non-AmE spelling is a spelling mistake and/or that Knowledge (XXG) only accepts American

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You "haven't heard of it" -- look around! Yes, I believe in English spelling reform. (American spelling is by no means perfect, though!) Nothing is important in "the grand scheme of things." Doesn't mean lots of things, large and small, can't be important. I think native speakers have an obligation

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Shall we now copy and paste this discussion as an example of humour? What we have here are some British folk taking delight in annoying the hell out of Americans. Most of these American take this discussion quite seriously and so base their arguments in the Knowledge (XXG) rules unwitting to the

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This argument will never ever ever be settled. People will always oppose any attempt to use American Spelling because of the fear that American culture will force out the culture of the native country through the media and this is just people naturally being patriotic to which ever country they're

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was done under "interesting" circumstances (to assume the best of faith here). Therefore, the appropriate situation would be to restore the original title. The "Original name solution" only works if we adhere to the original name in the first place. 2.) Reason number two (though far less important

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to be voted on is evidence of chaos in Knowledge (XXG)'s guidelines and policies on spelling. We should address this on the relevant policy discussion page. Why don't you set up an account, contact me (via email or on my Talk page), and we can try to help develop a spelling policy that stops these

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I see no evidence you are correct. I do see from your user page, however, that you have a rather agressively pro-British view on language. I leave it up to you to decide whether that reflects a benighted view of language evolution. In all seriousness: Americans, like citizens of all geographically

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Using the data on that page to try to correlate it against the percentages - We have UK - 15.9% = 56,830,000 - therefore 1% = 56,830,000/15.9 = ~3,574,213.836, therefore 70.7% should equal 70.7*~3,574,213.836 = ~252696918.239, which is not close to the figure of 224,900,000 given for mother tongue

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circumstances, and override the wise policies/guidelines you cite above. That's clearly nutty. So I think we should address this problem via a serious, respectful debate about the more general Knowledge (XXG) spelling policy first, then come back here, depending on the outcome of the more general

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what if the title of the article was "Humour/Humor" or "Humor or Humour" and both sperate spellings entered into the wiki search would lead one to that article? comprimise? the english language has multiple spellings for many words and there will never be a correct or rightious choice between the

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There's lots of this sort of thing, and I don't see that it matters too much. Even if it were successful, any attempt to standardise the whole Knowledge (XXG) to the UK spelling style (or whichever) would anger such a lot of people that it would damage the community — and hence the encyclopedia —

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No, this is not the policy. Before suggesting things like this 1) read the policies; and 2) try and understand the reasons behind the policy. Moreover, it's long been established and is now universally agreed upon by most authorities that the majority of native English speakers with a half-decent

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I, and others, would not have problems with people "changing what we've written." The whole point of Wikis is that they are collaborative. The problem would be rather this: specific, often unmotivated changes that violate policy, which then couldn't be undone, because other Wikipedians don't care

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and so is their spelling." - you're not really winning anybody onboard are you. But your Google argument doesn't stand up anyway - according to Google more people think "the world is flat" - 1,370,000 hits, than not ("the world is not flat" - 89,800; "the world is round" 232,000, "the world is

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BAD indeed, but worry not! Knowledge (XXG) works like this. Whenever an existing article is redirected from the British spelling to the American spelling, official Knowledge (XXG) policy is immediately invoked, and the redirect is reverted. But whenever an existing article is redirected from the

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Folks, Wiki policy is that the first spelling is the one that determines the spelling of the page, unless the topic is about a group which clearly prefers one variant of English. The "humor" page was started in 2001. In 2002, someone redirected it to "humour". This is a violation of Wiki policy,

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for someone to change the spelling to humour. (i.e., to "UK-ize" Knowledge (XXG).) S/he was simply trying to correct that violation of policy. I've changed the spelling back to the changes she made.. Please don't revert without explaining why an exception to policy should be made in this case.

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USA-hating is in vogue these days (esp. among people who learn about the world from the TV -- note: American humor is excellent, like that of many countries), but, to go against the grain, let me point out that all countries have humor. The "humor" article was changed to "humour" against Wiki

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Before such usersboxes were banned from the template namespace there were several hundred people displaying them, there are still about 50 (or more I duno) users with them, but they have been bot subst'd with inline text. The easiest way to locate other users with them is to search for

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Pardon the mess... I followed the instructions (about "complicated" moves), at least I thought so..., but it didn't work as I expected it would. Could someone remove "(funny)" from the name, so that the title conforms to policy (first non-stub spelling is the one that is used). Thanks.

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Useless? Speak for yourself! The u's have a good place in words, it's just the American bastardisation of pronunciation and writing that's caused them to be dropped. OK yes I'll concede Knowledge (XXG) originated in America so US English is accepted by me, but more people use British

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a page from the form of spelling used worldwide to the form used in the US, simply to keep a minority of English speakers worldwide happy, by putting it back to where it was four years ago, when the original move predated the adoption of the rules and has been ratified in a vote.

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Har-har, most amusing. The number of users of the two types of English is highly controversial as it can be counted in many different ways. It's also irrelevant. The types of humor discussed in the article are not, in fact, characteristic of one region more than another. If there

1908:) is supposed to have remarked upon picking up a book written in English that "English is just French, but pronounced extremly badly." Like many words in English (e.g centre, metre, theatre etc) the word comes into the English language via French and you seemed to have left out 2448:

30% of users of the Internet in 2002 were from North America. That's 5% of the population of the planet accounting for 30% of its use. Global usage is about 10% of the population of the World. India has a population of 1.1 billion and of them around 50 million use the Internet

2565:"humour is now usual in Great Britain, humor in U.S. The English formations, humoured, humourless, humoursome, are here spelt like the n. and vb.; but the derivatives formed on a Latin type, as humoral, humorist, humorous, are spelt humor- as in L. hum{omac}r{omac}sus, etc." 2275:

Suggestion: Jcbutler, you might consider amending your reasoning. "Knowledge (XXG) policy favors American standard English" is false. "Knowledge (XXG) policy favors original entry names" is correct, but that will be disregarded unless you can convince people it's also a

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Okay, let's put it this way: English comes from obviously..the english/british. Therefore, should we not spell it the way it was made originally? I don't see why we have to spell everything "americanised" because it was never an "american language" to begin with.

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Flour sounds like flower. Color does not rhyme with flower, so it doesn't need the u. Center isn't pronounced cent-ray. If we kept all our original spellings, our spelling would be as bad as all those 16th century letters where extra letters come and go at random.

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I was going to argue for "humor" as I do for "aluminum, but on consideration I don't think Americans use that word so much. I think we just go with "funny", "comic", "humorous", etc. The main argument for "humor" is that apparently it was what it was called

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Your argument makes sense, however, the article has been stable with humour for a long time. Therefore, the spelling should not be changed. There are many articles like this that started out using a different spelling. And usually the change is British -:

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I decided not to amend my original statement because that was the proposal and now it's out there, for better or worse. But you are certainly correct, and what I was trying (perhaps poorly) to argue is that this is standard usage on Knowledge (XXG), e.g.

2232:. So, what about the fact that the first version of this page used the US spelling? Well, the reason behind the "stick with the original spelling" guideline is for stability of naming and to avoid pointless renames. Notwithstanding that the move from 143:

And most people who speak English as a second language (far more than the native speakers) learn British English. Which makes British English more common. Let's try to avoid this insular attitude. The Knowledge (XXG) policy works perfectly well. --

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For three reasons. 1.) Warofdreams is 100% correct in that in these circumstances between British/American, the original article title should just be left as is. Looking at the article's history it is quite clear that the original article was

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Mind, I don't subscribe to the theory that etymology dictates, well, anything: I have no problem with you showing the colour of your honour, and no opinion on the "proper" place for this article. Just don't claim that we're dropping that

801:. Not because American English is more widespread (I don't know or care whether it is or not), or because American English should be exclusively used on Knowledge (XXG) (it shouldn't, IMO), but simply because the article began life as 1194:. On the other hand, pairs such as "analyze" vs. "analyse" are somewhat more legitimate on both sides: ανάλυση (noun) vs. ανάλυζειν (verb -- and is that still the right place for the tonos?). Note the zeta in the latter. (And in fact 184:

What a pointless issue. It should be British English only to piss these American imperialists off. They want monopoly on their u's, EH!? WELL SO LET'S GIVE IT TO 'EM! *throws an U!* Take that, "universal" use of English! Most is not

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err, what was I saying. It should stay where it is. Commonwealth English has as many if not more users than American English. The article also mentions (slightly) more comedic traits of Commonwealth English speaking countries.

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Considering that most native English-speakers are American (see the graph to the right), this page (and all Knowledge (XXG) pages) should be in American english unless the word used is more common in England/AU/NZ/Canada/etc.

2452:. That's less than 5% of the population of India and about 8% of the users of the Internet worldwide. Of course Google turns up "humor" more often, but it's irrelevant. Oh as for your argument about consistency - what about 1080:

and politically "large" nations, certainly tend to live in a bubble. Still, from what I've seen, article titles have far more often been changed from American to Commonwealth spellings, without reversion, than the reverse.

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and 'humour' to me shows there is a strong first 'u' sound and a soft 'u' at the end rather then an 'o' sound. And an article using a different spelling in the article compared to the title definately makes little sense! --

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The humor article was originally created 02:57, 27 October 2001 spelled humor, in 2002 someone moved it to humour. For this reason, and other reasons discussed by others above, I think the article should be spelled humor.

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suggests following the usage of the first major editor of an article in cases where the article is not on a topic specific to a particular country or region. Therefore the article should be in its original location,

664:. I feel English articles here must be made for the majority, not the minority. In this case, the majority of native english speakers (see pie chart) are Americans, so most articles should be in American english. 549:

Policy is, in general, adhered to. Just not always. However, if you have problems with people changing what you've written, then I'm inclined to agree that you won't find participating in Knowledge (XXG) enjoyable.

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The full version of the clause elided to "if necessary" was intended to be "if necessary to build a better encyclopedia." I cede that I could have been clearer, but I am curious as to how you actually completed it.

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oh shut up all you brits and yanks! Have you ever heard of international english? It encompases both american and british spellings so let's just say it's written in international english and we could all shut up

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if necessary. The policy against "fixing" people's spelling, like all Knowledge (XXG) policies, is not by any standard a moral imperative -- merely a matter of pragmatics. Not only would moving this page back to

433:. You have provided no evidence that it is necessary. You have tried to argue that it might be beneficial (see #2 and #3), but beneficial is not the same as necessary. Moreover, your arguments don't hold. 2) 973:

I hereby declare that the proper spelling is 'humour'. Let's face it, aside from electing Ronald Reagan and George W Bush, the US does not have anywhere near the humour of the BE English speaking world.

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Wait, I think maybe the only problem was that I did a technical booboo in the way I made my changes. I retract my question (until learning more about why the Move command is the right one to use here).

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I think it would make sense to use the spelling that gives the most google hits, this is a good measure for what is the most common spelling. Also, in my opinion, since humour is easily confused with

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Don't care personnally about the language question, but from a logic standpoint, to answer your question: Ahhh... no. That argument would be a waste of tyme. (the way it was originally.)

2007:-American agenda (and with comments like this above, and userboxes like "this user hates American English" from some opposers, I might just tend to agree). The fact is, it was originally placed at 521:

Objectively speaking, few (if any) page moves for the sake of a dialectical spelling are worthwhile; the only saving grace of a spelling change which is an immediate revert is that it discourages

2224:- the only valid argument is the "original version" argument - which spelling is more common is irrelevant, as is the disambiguation argument raised by 205.157.110.11 since if this page is moved 1010:

much more than the little we would gain from uniformity in return. If anyone really cared that much, a little bit of software could easily translate spellings on the fly and get 99% of it right.

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The language policy is a bit more complicated than that... my understanding is pages started in one spelling are maintained in that form... there are some more details on the help/about pages.

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As Aponar Kestrel said above, "the fact that someone had moved it over from humor would have been a good argument back in 2002. There's really not any point in it four years later, though."

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My point is that if there are editors willing to do that amount of work, there are better things they could do with their time than bounce articles from one spelling to another. As the very

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Google stats are unfair becos the pages are mostly american and don't take into account the people in other countries who speak British english who are unable to setup a web page.

512:. Keep in mind that the vast majority of current Knowledge (XXG) users almost certainly joined well after this article was moved. (I suppose I could make an ethical argument that 1063:

spellings, or that is should only accept American spellings. I leave it up to you to decide whether ignorance of the world outside the USA has anything to do with this. See and

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I think this is about the 5th time I've voted oppose here. Will all you Americans who keep bringing this up please find something better to do with your time. Like reading

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If no such words can be agreed upon, and there is no strong tie to a specific dialect, the dialect of the first significant contributor (not a stub) should be used.

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To Matt Crypto: Please assume good faith. Kelly Min likely meant "incorrect" in the sense of not conforming to policy. The article on humor started as Humor. It was

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Yo are absoltely right. Let’s ct ot all the “*”s. We don’t need them. They were becoming a bit biqitos. When they’ve gone, can we start on another letter, say, “k”?

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Eh gotta shake things up around here :) I'm not trying to offend anyone, but things need to be standardiZed (:P) in my world. Guess I can live with a mixture... --

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Knowledge (XXG) policy favors original entry names and American standard English, and consensus on the talk pages indicates that humor is the preferred spelling.

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I would still advise you to amend the statement, because it's wrong. It's not too late, I guarantee to you of that, as long as you're only changing the wording.

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page is in US English, while this one is in Commonwealth English? I don't mind since it's Canada, but shouldn't Knowledge (XXG) be a bit more standardized? --

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Okay so let's rationalise this too then. The word "flour": We don't change it to "flor," yet we change "colour" to "color"? It truly makes no sense to me.

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OK, well it looks like someone has gone ahead and made the change. In the meantime, let's consider the major arguments for and against renaming the entry!

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Okay, since you British imperialists insist on trying to delete my text, link to wikirules and call me a troll, let's see what the Manual of Style says

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The article was started with the American English spelling, and it was not a stub. You are breaking your own rules here with your British imperialsm.

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Everyone on planet Earth, except from a few pitiful exceptions, knows that there is no such thing as American humour, or for that matter, 'humor'.

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Google has 262,000,000 hits for humor and only 101,000,000 hits for humour. As an Englishman its goes against the grain, but the majority has it.

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while I do find that compelling in and of itself, and should probably have started with it, it isn't quite the argument that I was trying to make.)

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Exactly how many contributors of Knowledge (XXG) are you yourself arguing for pulling the rug out from under? Especially with a major article like

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Not again. This comes up time and time and time and time again and everytime the answer will be the same. No, for all the usual reasons... yawn.

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a religion or ideology? Surely the choice of which loopy English spelling system we use is fairly unimportant in the grand scheme of things?

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is International English and is used by most of the planet. Actually, other than on the internet or in US publications, I never ever see

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is more internationally recognized, not only in the US, Canada, and foreign learners to English, but also in other languages. Look:

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Yes, there most certainly is a point. Violations don't become less violative with time. Violations should not be allowed to stand.

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Humour is a very strange and uncommon way of spelling humor. I almost never see anyone spelling it as humour and I'm not American.

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Something like Matt Crypto's solution could easily be built into the Knowledge (XXG), with user preferences saved on the server.

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it so. Being beneficial is sufficient. (Further, I argue below that, circumstances being what they are, moving this article to

2438:. The page appears under "humor" - because someone else linked to it and used the word "humor" as can be seen from the cache 1550:

Jooler: Please stop erasing comments from the talk page. That is not cool. Better to explain what you think is wrong. Thanks,

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Exceptions to this concept, however, should be made for certain articles about events or geography; one such article would be

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This is a good argument only if no one is available to do the work. I will happily do all the work. Finally, you contend 3) ''

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so keep it there", in general in such a move should be undone, but in this case the move was so long ago (4 1/2 years) that

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it should be fairly obvious that spelling goes as follows: Programme Favour Manoeuvre (it's a french word, spell it right!)

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And "centre" vs. "center"? Okay, its "central" time..not "centeral," as that is not a word. So let's stick with centre.

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sense of humour are, in fact, British English speakers, so you're out of luck with your numerical majority argument ;-)

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But think of all the stoarage space Knowledge (XXG) could save by getting rid of these useless and distracting 'u's.--

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It is necessary to ignore Knowledge (XXG) policy on this suggested move (therefore the policy is "to be ignored")

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of people who would vote on this if it came up again. The fact that attempts to return "Humour" to "Humor" even

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be a large amount of work (to fix the links and the redirects and so forth), but it also, and more importantly,

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Once again, humor has to be explained. (Proper usage of the comma, on the hand, can simply be demonstrated.)

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would have been a good argument back in 2002. There's really not any point in it four years later, though. --

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Knowledge (XXG) is not founded on rule and law; in point of fact Knowledge (XXG) policy is there to be

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The 'Brits are cool' thing was a spurious argument suggested by an opponent of the 'humour' spelling.

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A requested moves was made to return it to the American spelling, it failed. Theres your exception. --

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is regarded as a misspelling! In terms of worldwide usage, your sentence, to be accurate, should read

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me (or not) and make a decision based on the merits of the case, not my particular language. Thanks,

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humour. Honestly, the u doesn't make sense. Also, I notice that the spelling is not standardized.

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I agree, I removed my poll below. This is turning into a discussion with no votes anyway :)

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two. so could we adapt to this reality? please someone give their thoughts on this idea. --

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where an identical proposal has just been knocked on the head for the umpteenth time... --

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BTW this pie chart doesn't look right to me. supposedly the data for this page comes from

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for no good reason but their horror at spellings different from those they're used to. --

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Knowledge (XXG):Knowledge (XXG) is not#Knowledge (XXG) is not an experiment in democracy

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you cite above says: "There are many more productive and enjoyable ways to participate."

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What if people like you, just lived with it, the same way Non-USians have to live with

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Humor is consistent with other entries, e.g. behavior not behaviour, color not colour.

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I have two arguments; the supposedly implicit argument I clarify below (or try to).

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I'd like to hear some input here as to whether or not this page should be moved to

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More succinctly: This is Knowledge (XXG). "It's the rules" isn't good enough. –

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and then demerged out to fixed wing aircraft. 08:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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Humor is more commonly used as demonstrated by the number of google hits.

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such changes. Your proposed move solves no problems and saves no time. –

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Spelling#National_varieties_of_English

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This, and your begging for votes on the main page, was a terrible idea.

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Jcbutler mispoke about wikipedia policy and this negates the argument.

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It would be too much effort to change the spelling thus it is best to

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Going massively into POV here, considering Americans aren't funny....

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I agree with the suggestion that the article should be moved back to

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http://www.alt-usage-english.org/Distribution_English_speakers.shtml

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You have three arguments (one implicit) against moving the page. 1)

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is American English and not used except in a handful of countries.

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Should this page be in US English to match the rest of WikiPedia?--

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Roughy 'Chioýmor' or 'Khioímor' depending on how you transliterate

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version of Knowledge (XXG), not the American or British version.--

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anything here that's specifically British, it should be moved to

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as per a squillion and one previous discussions on this matter.

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was, in fact, added, as it was in "humour". "Center" comes from

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I thought it was intentionally funny, not an arguement at all.

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Special:Whatlinkshere/American_and_British_English_differences

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Some famous Frenchman (can't remember who, but I think it was

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would not in any way improve the quality of this encyclopedia"

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would not in any way improve the quality of this encyclopedia.

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The userbox you are referring to is intended to be humorous

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Humor is a very strange and uncommon way of spelling humour.

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Wars, maybe we should start thinking of a compromise name?

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The entry is currently spelled "humour" and it's best to

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Indeed, just flank the objectionable part with <s: -->

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I respectfully disagree. I think the issue needs a vote.

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originally at humor, and someone moved it a while back.

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Oh no, not again! To cut the debate short, please go to

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It will be fun to continue to defend this spelling in

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is the established page name. Or we could go for the

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And where's the pie chart broken down by countries? --

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imperialists who took a perfectly good article named

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spherical" 671) - Google counts pages by links - do

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The only sensible solution is to have two articles,

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6252595.stm

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Humor was the original name and should be restored.

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used to be the case on your side of the pond, too.)

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