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1231:. What policy based argument will the U-advocates have to move it back to Humour? None, of course, just as the H-advocates have got nothing at Yogurt. Note that this is not the case at, for example, Aluminium. There, there is no basis to move to the American spelling, because the original variety/title there was Commonwealth English. So, that title is stable, as this one will also be, once its original variety/title is restored. Or, imagine if the closer finds "no consensus" and the current title remains. You think this issue won't be raised again? Think again. 388: 325: 671: 655: 266: 906: 442: 421: 1294:, this is an assumption based on the idea that BR-Eng people will be more reasonable than NA-Eng people have proved in endless raising of this issue for now nearly 20 years. The justification for not changing it is an entirely reasonable one - the title is established in the article by nearly two decades of usage, RETAIN did not anyway apply to the original move because RETAIN didn't even exist as a policy then. 832: 720: 699: 216: 246: 730: 379: 808: 557: 526: 970: 1617: 1369:"Consensus to not move/Not moved should be used when a consensus has formed to not rename the article(s) in question...this notifies other editors that they should probably not propose this move in the future until and unless circumstances change. There is a positive consensus found, and that consensus is for the page to stay exactly where it is." 1668: 567: 453: 1372:), which was subsequently endorsed in a move-review. This is about as final as it will ever get regardless of which Eng-var this article is at. Discussion happened. The Eng-var was established. Whatever the case of the 2002 move, the present title has been endorsed by a consensus already. Drop the stick. 1695:
Humor is a cognitive process, characterized by the emotion it creates (mirth) and the physical reactions it causes; for example, smiling and laughter (Attardo, 2023). The concept of humor exists in every society (Beeman, 1999) though researchers remain unsure as to exactly why something is considered
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There is simply no point in trying to re-litigate this again and again and again. The "but if you decide this my way then the controversy disappears" argument basically relies on BrEng speakers being more reasonable that the small number of AmEng speakers who occasionally (like once a year or less?)
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You are not refuting the basic case that you are trying to apply a rule to a title-change that did not even exist when the title-change occurred, that we have not tended to apply rules retrospectively without accounting for the impact this will have, and that the name has been stable now for nearly
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does not support the idea that Aluminium has not been subject of endless conflict, even with the added weight of a standard in its favour (probably, without the standard, it would have been changed to the American spelling ages ago given the palpable anger of so many of the NA-lang editors there).
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No, it had had half a dozen unique editors by that edit, plus a bot, and enough content to no longer be a stub. The variety of English in the article had clearly been established and the sole purpose of the edit you linked was to change that variety. That's why there will be contoversy on this
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must be satisfied, not just one or the other. We can argue about whether a variety of English has been established here, but there can be no argument about whether discussion has resolved the issue. The section clearly demonstrates it has not. I said it in 2016 and I'll say it again:
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It's déjà vu all over again. As I predicted in the 2016 RM five years ago, this title will remain controversial until it's moved back to the original spelling variety. Whether the move in question was a rule violation back when it was moved from the original variety in 2002 is moot.
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In addition to establishing a rule against changing the variety of English of an article and the consequence of reverting when this rule is violated, which we agree is not applicable here because the rule was apparently not yet established when the move in question here occurred,
1120:- Just to be clear here, at the point when title was changed in 2002, the rule against changing the variant of English didn't exist and wouldn't exist in concrete, definitive form for years to come. ArbCom only came up with its first injunction not to change the EngVar 1127:(and who knows, maybe the 2002 editor thought they had a "substantial reason"?). Saying that the 2002 title changed violated any guideline or policy is completely wrong since there were no such guidelines or policies at that point. The rule exists 1333:
RETAIN establishes an objective mechanism for resolving conflicts about variety of English that is to be applied—regardless of whether there ever was any violation of any rule—any time a conflict about English variety cannot be resolved by
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it seems to have still been a stub since it didn't contain any sources etc and probably wouldn't at least today have conformed with formatting standards etc so I'd suggest it was still a stub version for the purpose of RETAIN.
1319:. But it doesn't. Because the prediction is not based on any idea about how reasonable any side is. It is based on the idea that such conflicts are resolved by restoring the original variety used at a given article. That's why 1314:
If the prediction about this issue not being resolved until the NA-Eng title is restored was based on the idea that BR-Eng people will be more reasonable, then it would predict similar unresolved conflicts at articles like
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just to check in on this debate. As British English users have been known to say there is no controversy on this subject. It's July 17th 2021,and this article is still misnamed against policy, and should be reverted to
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as the physical nature makes it accessible to them. By contrast, the more complex nuances of the character’s interactions require a deeper understanding of social meaning and context, and thus may amuse a more mature
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And, additionally to check in, it's 16 August 2021 and there's no actual controversy here. A consensus in favour of the title was formed at the previous RM discussion in 2016 and the name is established per
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appears to be. My point stands. Regardless of what the rules were at the time the article was originally moved, what settles these discussions most reliably is going back to the original variety of English.
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Ok, sure! I want to rewrite the first two paragraphs with the following text. The changes aren't massive or sweeping, though, just a bit of fine-tuning. I embedded the sources for ease of reading.
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because after 14 years it was clearly a stable title. Even if you don't believe it was established before that by the decade-plus-long usage and expansion of the page (and it
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was concerning this matter, I find its immediate return as topic number one when Knowledge (XXG) is presented with this fresh, clean canvas both amousing and hilarios
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Yes, i know humour is the british way of spelling it, but since most of Knowledge (XXG) users come from the United States, should it not be spelled Humor?
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And all this is without engaging at all with the last RM discussion which was not a no-consensus close, but an actual consensus not to move (
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This article is still misnammed as per ENGVAR and retain. Why should people not fight for what is correct by this sites own standards?
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discussion does not resolve the issue, use the variety found in the first post-stub revision that introduced an identifiable variety.
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This article has previously been nominated to be moved. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination.
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I would like to edit the beginning of this article. I have a proposed edit that I think is more scientific and objective.
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That doesn't mean the principle shouldn't stand: it was moved for no reason, and it should be moved back.
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until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
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the extent to which a person finds something humorous depends on a host of variables, including
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Sabato, G. (2019, June 26). What’s So Funny? The Science of Why We Laugh. Scientific American.
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/whats-so-funnythe-science-of-why-we-laugh/
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Good luck with that. No sticks here that I can see. When all else fails, go with
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Beeman, W. (1999). Humor. Journal of Linguistic Anthropology, 9(1/2), 103–106.
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which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humours (
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pop up on this page to complain that the name is not their preferred version.
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Attardo, S. (2023). Humor 2.0: How the Internet Changed Humor. Anthem Press.
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Despite long-held beliefs that certain people, especially those considered
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Actually, this should be at American English, as it was started there, see
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It has been at this spelling since 2002. I think everyone should just
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Images - perhaps a simple sight gag and a satirical cartoon?
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humorous (Sabato, 2019). The term, humor, derives from the
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