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In my research, I have not found any reliable sources indicating this song was ever released as a single. "Wide Awake" was also officially declared as the end of the "Teenage Dream" era. Her songs "Pearl" and "Who Am I Living For?" have articles, but were never singles. If anything, this song may
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