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Just noted this page says it is part of a series on LGBT topics, as noted in the sidebar on the article. But how is the range of intersex medical conditiosn related to LGBT topics? Particularly as most LGBT supporters tend to say it is not an illness to be gay etc, it seems a bit unusual to link a
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communities is complex, but intersex people are often added to the LGBT acronym, resulting in the acronym LGBTI (or when also including asexual and aromantic people, LGBTQIA+" This edit will help reflect the correct meaning of the acronym and prevent aromantic erasure.
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