Talk:Iran/Archive 5 - Knowledge (XXG)

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martial arts and wrestling. Iran also hosts and participate in major international sporting events to this day. For example, Tehran was the first city in the Middle East to host the Asian summer games in 1974. Football in Iran has become increasingly popular in Iran. The Iranian national football team is usually in the top 20 of the world and has qualified for 3 world cups. In weight lifting Hossein Reza Zadeh has made the world records in the Olympics and Is known as the worlds strongest man. Due to the low cost and the great benefits for the individual, martial arts have exploded in popularity in Iran in the past 20 years. Varzesh-e Pahlavani wrestling, commonly practiced in gymnasia called Zurkhaneh, is a century-old tradition in Persia. But also Greco-Roman, and particularly Freestyle Wrestling is incredibly popular in Iran, often even referred to as its national sport. With a history of great wrestlers, such as Gholamreza Takhti, and considerable success in Olympic and World Championships, Iran is considered among the elite nations in the sport (along with the US and CIS states).

2858:!! The "Homa" image is not directly relevant to the naming section, and, if it's included at all, it should be moved to the "history" section, where there is both more room for it (the last three paragraphs are currently unillustrated) and infinitely more relevance. The map, too, is a very poor choice for inclusion in the "naming" section, because although it doesn't have the problem of not being relevant to the section in question (indeed, it's very relevant to the issue), it still has the same problem of cluttering the page up too much and "smushing" the text into an extremely narrow margin (mainly because the "country template" for Iran extends all the way through the "name" section, which is 1110: 3423:

guns, and barrels of oil". If we could add extend the Major Cities section and a new section or two, there would be room for all the images, even the one Manif added to Economy. Instead of worrying about all this, you could make suggestions for improvements and assume good faith when us "non-Iranians" want to help. At the moment there is a pointless and wasteful war going on in Middle Eastern articles with people forgetting that the whole point was to write first-class articles. So let's work together to put

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to do with regional tensions, and IMO, the idiocy of certain Arab gulf states. I did not know that the Arabs renamed the language, but I'm less concerned with original names (i.e. Parsi vs. Farsi) and more concerned with using a term that is no longer academically viable. (i.e. Persian vs. Farsi.) If Persian is still used in academic circles to refer to Farsi, then I'm fine with it; otherwise, we should adopt the accepted standard, which to my knowledge is Farsi. But it's a relatively minor point. :) --

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just wrong. Iran's history is something one simply cannot summarize in such a short space. Between the Islamic Conquest and the 20th century Iran went through at least 15 major dynasties that had continental influences. And all that is wrapped up in a feeble 1.5 sentences. I find that totally inaccurate in the representation of Iran. For Iran and the Iranian identity, culture and history play extraordinarily large defining roles. Those should be properly reflected in proportion in this article.--

5355:"Some scholars (Boyce, 1987; Black and Rowley, 1987; Duchesne-Guillemin, 1988) believe that large portions of the eschatology, angelology, and demonology (see Asmodai) of Judaism, a key influence on Christianity, originated in Zoroastrianism, and were transferred to Judaism during the Babylonian captivity and the Persian era, despite the numerous structural differences in the belief systems, crucial to the faiths, as in the issue over whether the evil spirit is a product of the good spirit. 4862:

still remember the first time i saw the word farsi in a list of languages after years of persian, in an internet site, i believe it was google. I was chocked, i think it was about 5 years ago, but since a couple of years ago it has begun going back to the original persian. Why they want to change persian to farsi you have to ask them. However the real name of the language is Parsi, arabs changed it to farsi when they conquered persia, so persian is alot more close to the original name. . --

2907:. What's so awful about that? It completely solves all the problems and arguments regarding the matter, and has the added benefit of improving the article's flow, cohesion, symmetry, and balance, allowing the text room to breathe. The simplest solution is sometimes the best: let the text speak for itself in cases such as this, and you'll find that it words ring out much louder and clearer than if a fancy, pretty image were awkwardly shoved into its midst. 5239:"Many political commentators in the Middle East believe Washington's stance on Iran is more governed by the latter's substantial oil reserves and pressure from the Zionist lobby in the US who hope to establish free rein for Israel in the region and who see Iran (as they saw Saddam) as an obstacle to this plan. The US allegations in regard to nuclear weapons and support for Iraqi insurgency are thus a convenient vehicle to seek to achieve these means." 3387:. All of the information should stay but lets get rid of the subsections and instead write a continuous set of five or six paragraphs and three or four relevant images. It doesn't matter if Iran doesn't have a clearly defined "government" as the prose should be written in such a way as the reader understands that there is more than just a President, cabinet, legislature and judiciary. The "state and church unity" can be emphasised without subsections. 1074: 3566:

said on Darkred's talkpage, I don't engage in edit wars but on the other hand I don't appreciate people making grand gestures in edit summaries but not bothering to check if anyone has tried to discuss changes. It's called common courtesy and I haven't seen too much of it on here recently. As for Jeff, at least he went through my suggestions and commented on them. I don't think he can be accused of negativity when he was defending another editor's

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eight is too many and it won't pass FAC. As a part of the code, I think it's difficult to remove the galleries so they have pretty much left it. By the way it's nice to see that with a few edits we're back to square one. Have a look at other Featured articles, especially the more recent ones and decide for yourself whether Iran would pass with the way it is laid out?

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the demand for oil supplies will increase. 4. The pricearnings multiples on the oils are low historically and in relation to the existing market multiple. 5. Dividend yields are usually high, and generally secure. 6. Most institutional investors underown stocks. In other words, the oils are sold out. 7. The possibility of war among the countries in the

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for legibility purposes) and improper grammar (I counted two sentence fragments), I would say that the intended purpose was not reached, hence my decision to revert to the old description. If anyone feels it should be shorter, please let me know, or feel free to edit it yourself--I just ask that the edits be grammatically correct.--

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an effort to address, slight rewrites of two sentences in Demographics, and a grammar mistake in the History section. If you are going to change things back, at least check what you are changing back. If I didn't have faith in huan nature, I'd be tempted to think some people are blindly reverting without assuming good faith.

2147:" especially when addressed to other editors. That is not an acceptable tone to use in edit summaries and I would appreciate you explaining on the talkpage why you feel other editors cannot make changes without requiring your express typed permission? In case you are not aware, I recommend reading the guidelines on 3531:. Furthermore i realy don't understand what the argument is here? As greengiant suggested if you want to help keep this article clean, provide more information so the whitespaces can be wiped out, do not ingage in editwars as i seen you and greengiant have been doing in this article againt zereshk and zmmz. -- 3297:"neutral" - we tackled this just a few days ago, when the post-revolution history was rewritten from a third-party perspective so there are no lines like "Iran has frequently been the target of verbal attacks by the United States". Manif made a decent attempt to address the "Cradle of Humanity" problem. 4881:

Well, I would call the changing of the Persian Gulf to the Arabian Gulf a more politically motivated move, fueled by the rise of Arab nationalism. It has very little to do with history (no Arab cultures have ever exercised complete dominance over the area for an extended period of time) and much more

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I just re-edited the culture section, but I wanted to make an appeal for help here. First, whoever continues to replace Farsi with Persian, please stop. Second, can anyone expand the film section, and also add a separate "internet culture" paragraph as well? I think the jump from film to "any and all

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Had this not have happened, the Islamic Revolution may not have been necessary, Iran would already have a healthy secular democracy, and we could have been living relatively harmoniously now... Some how I think that with the current American foreign policy, we could be seeing a few more 'revolutions'

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I agree with Zereshk's and GreenGiant's edits to move the images above the main template in the wikisource. The doesn't effect the main templates text location, but reduces the whitespace, and allows for better flow of text. Darkred has reverted those edits, and I am in favour of putting them back.

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My problem with your image is that it doesn't show enough detail. It's like looking at only part of a person's face. You can't deduce what it is from only part of the image. Perhaps if you could upload the whole image and then force it to about 200px in the article. Articles look better if the images

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At any rate it seems I cant get through to you on this matter. No problem. How about this picture of the same dome? The only reason I didnt use it earlier was because I know some people are going to make a fuss about its copyrights. If you want the full picture of the cropped dome, youll have to wait

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and the Mahan picture, I'm not going to be too picky on it: As long as there are 2 pics in the history section, one for pre-Islamic Iran, and one for post-Islamic Iran. Post Islamic Iran must be somehow represented. The perseplois pic is fine. It represents Iran's pre-Islamic past. But we need one to

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No I would rather the population data was in a table and that the images were all right-aligned. That way the text goes down the left and centre and the images go down the right side. I'm not suggesting piling the images togetehr at the start of the article or anything silly like that. Have a look at

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An image representing the Islamic heritage of Iran is definitely needed. No question to that. Now, would you go with an image that takes up space and is not fitting to the format, or one that is spatially efficient in organization and aesthetics? We do in fact have an image of the same dome, in full,

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the country nor implies that the individual is an utterly uncontroversial, unanimously-supported figure symbolizing all of the country's ideals and hopes and dreams. All it says is that the individual is a highly important political figure in the country in question, and that's certainly indisputable

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article, and Bush certainly isn't the USA. I don't see how this case is any different; admittedly Bush has much more political power in the USA than Ahmadinejad has in Iran, but they're both key figures in international politics for their respective countries. Putting a photograph of an individual on

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This section needs work. "Zoroastrian monotheism has had major influence on the religions of the middle eastern monotheisms in adaptations of such concepts as heavens, hells, judgement day and messianic figures. Nonetheless, claims of Zoroastrianism influencing ancient Jewish thought are disputed by

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Many kinds of sports are practiced in Iran, both traditional and modern. Some sports, such as figure skating or professional dancing, are in conflict with Islamic Sharia law and therefore not practiced by Iranian athletes. The most popular sports in Iran are football (soccer), weightlifting, skiing,

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Now Cradle of Civilization usually refers to the earliest civilizations of Egypt, Mesopotamia, the Indus, and China, but other than that, there isn't any mention of Iran which has contributed other things such as being the world's first multinational empire that encompassed much of the known ancient

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Just so we are clear, I don't think subheadings are a good idea as they fragment sections. The Politics section should really be a Government section and needs a paragraph on each of the main components of government. The City and Village Councils could move down to major cities which could become a

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The simple answer is that further up the talkpage I made a list of suggestions for improving the article. The FAC failed eight months ago and it shouldn't take that long to get improvements made. Earlier edit summaries accused me of engaging in edit wars and making changes without discussing them on

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without them having to occur here too. Although I'm a big fan of images, the key to using them effectively is to balance them with the text: because "name" is so short and is already accompanied by the bottom of the template, adding an image would completely unbalance the section and make it a pain,

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Zmmz, if and when Iran makes it to featured status, you can demand that no major changes be made without consensus. However, as it is a FACfailed, this article is open to positive changes by anyone. There is a "straw poll" of sorts above - make some comments on improvements instead of backing into a

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Regarding your last sentence: from what Im observing, youre actually moving the opposite way, it seems to me. Youre advocating the removal of important information about Iran, merely because WP guidelines give it no particular consideration. I'm not against adding anything, but I am against trimming

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Actually Texas has 3 galleries: One for the Nat. Geography, One for the cities, and one for universities. The US also has the city pics. Would you rather have the images stacked up on top of eachother, instead of a neat gallery? If a gallery is not allowed inorder to obtain feature status, then why

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If you want to remove an image, at least remove one that takes up a lot of space (like the president image). The very reason we put the Mahan dome image was that it was space efficient and aesthetic for the page layout, AND, that it was representative of Iran's Islamic past. I especially cropped the

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6.3 (Sept 2002): p255, “Analyses of data from a longitudinal study of a Farsi-English bilingual infant, Arsham, supported the hypothesis that the child had acquired two separate phonologies with mutual influence; that is, he made occasional use of phonological features of Farsi in English words and

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I went back and replaced Farsi with Persian in the Culture section. If it gets decided otherwise, I'll switch it back. I also replaced the broken text in the section with my original edits. I'm not against someone editing my work, but since the only edits were deletions (I assume to make it shorter

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Fair enough, but AFAIK people in America don't refer to it as "Persian" either. Sort of like people don't say: "Do you speak Indian?" they say: "Do you speak Hindi?" Maybe I'm hanging out in the wrong circles, but the rule you mentioned is not concrete. We do refer to some languages by their proper

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There are 6 references in this section, 1 in the first paragraph and 5 in the last paragraph coincidently relate to the last year and Iran's nuclear program. For such an imporant section, I think more references are needed as some of the descriptions and chain of events seem vague and biased. Also

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There's a problem with the image in the "Name" section. The image is formatted on the left side of the page, but when the menu is displayed, the table on the right hand side of the page, which has the statistics, extends down into the "Name" section, in a way that causes the picture to obscure some

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2. I think you misunderstand what Knowledge (XXG) is about. There are no restrictions based on an editor's nationality, religion or academic qualifications. Anyone can edit any article they wish as long as rules are obeyed (vandalism etc). I can't speak for Jeff's nationality but is it particularly

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article, the population data is in a table and the city images are at the right hand side, piled on top of each other. We are not trying to do away with beautiful city images and we would rather that uninformed readers could read about Iran and realise it isn't just "desert mud huts next to camels,

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I think your making a lot of assumptions here so I'll put it simply. I find it unacceptable that the Iran article is not a featured article. Considering that it has not been nominated again since August last year is a crying shame. Attempting to conform to a few guidelines is not that difficult. It

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That's why none of the editors involved in the feature article drive of this article are actually Iranian. To the latter, this feature article drive business is becoming actually counterproductive. Erase this, to make it featured. Erase that, to make it featured. Is this what we really want? As for

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Perhaps I'm missing something here. Overnight changes have been made which have changed things back to previous versions. I can understand the images and things like that, but what concerns me is that the changes include removal of a citation request for Cradle of Humanity which ManiF at least made

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You , I ,or Jeff3000 cannot delete others` hard works, then expect them to let it be. Please stay calm, civil and try not to monopolize articles. Instead, before you delete pics, come and set up a straw poll. If you delete pics and ask later, how can others know which pic you are talking about?

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Please stay calm, and civil. Regardless of if it is ammusing to you that Zereshk and I defend pics, you cannot keeping deleting pictures on your own, then expect others to accept it. People work hard to gwet these images released, and if you have a personal preference, then you should come in the

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Yes, but that page youre talking of would be about the US Capitol, not about the US. The Mahan mausoleum is merely a Sufi shrine that visually expresses the post-Islamic culture of Iran. Nothing more. That's why its entirety (unlike the US capitol) is not important. The glimpse of the blue sky, the

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I very much agree with Green Giant. Gallery pictures will not pass a FAC, especially for cities, which are not part of the Country Wikiproject. Secondly, I think images with a long aspect ratio do not look good when there are other images with a wide aspect ratio in the same section; it makes the

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Second: The image of Azadi square has always been an image agreed upon by both royalist and post-revolutionary Iranians as the symbol to represent them politically. Now you have this president image messing things up. You are replacing an image everyone agrees on with one that people dont agree on,

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Here I will have to disagree. If youre going to give a good representation of Iran, you have to represent what it really is, not how the media and current situation defines it. Adding sections about the military and the current politics at the expense of even further trimming the history section is

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This statement is attributed to a source, but the source reports only speculation, which diminishes it's value as an unbiased source of information. In addition the statement is again only a speculative opinion and it's inclusion in this wikipedia entry serves no purpose other than to bias readers

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Changing of persian to farsi is the same thing as changing the persian gulf to arabian gulf, with an exception of that its the peninsula arabs that want to change the persian gulf name, but it was the iranian government that began changing persian to farsi and spread it to the rest of the world. I

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As far as i remeber, last Shah was installed by foreign countries (guess which) to control oil and not only resources which after nationalization suddenly were returned to inernational oil companies. As the realist i dont see any possibity of changing such governemts except the revolution, because

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I am going to try to go for option 1, but I don't think we should rule out the other options immediately. As for the edit wars, it should be noted that the proposed changes are still sitting up there near the top of the talkpage and not one editor (barring Jeff) has taken the time to comment. As I

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Rumors abound that oil will drop to $ 15 per barrel, but 7 factors will probably keep that from happening. These are: 1. Too many powerful parties, including the USSR, are interested in protecting the price. 2. The massive oil inventory decumulation should be over. 3. Economic recovery is here, so

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I dont think we can totally dismiss any connection between the name of Iran and its symbolism. Contrary to Canada or Australia, Iran's name has much to do with ancient symbolism. Iran's name literally means "Land of the Aryan", which comes from Zoroastrian concepts. So should we have a Zoroastrian

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at Persepolis is irrelevant in the 'Name' section of this overview article, but perhaps more apt for another section (e.g., 'History'). In the 'Name' sxn, perhaps we can include a picture of an ancient inscription/translation (at Persepolis) or other script comparison instead? Or even one of the

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My objection is twofold. Firstly the data for the populations should be in a table format. Secondly I think galleries are frowned on because they break articles up when most people seem to prefer a continuous prose. I think the population should go into a table and then keep a couple of images but

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And we shouldn't recognize the leader? The people who founded the country have images, so the ones carrying on those traditions don't deserve it? Dubya appears under "Government and Politics" in the USA article, so is it so hard for you to accept that Ahmadinejad should be under "Politics" in this

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Yes, especially since the World Cup is coming up, there should be a section with emphasis on football as well as wrestling and skiing to show the popularity and diversity of sports in Iran. If someone takes the time to prepare such section, I will provide two appropriate pictures for the section.

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article that Iran fits such a description. The other states mentioned as modern elective monarchies (barring Samoa and Vatican City) are all constitutional monarchies. However, Iran is defined as a constitutional republic with an indirectly-elected Supreme Leader (for life) and a directly-elected

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of the providing of material and utilising of sources at their hands. Hence zereshk whom i believe is qualified for the task, and it seems has done so for a long time in wikipedia. As jeff says you have done a great job cleaning other articles, and i know you have similar goals for this article.

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To look at how much some editors have defended particular images, you have to wonder what their motivation is for keeping the images other than they look nice. Example: the Griffin image looked nice but was it appropriate in the name section? Specifically in the Economy section, there needs to be

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First of all how come you are so eager to take out the images from economy section, as you did from the city gallery? With an excuse to clean it up! Second, it is obvious that neither you or jeff are iranian or have any academic knowledge about iran. So why is it that you keep editing, and are so

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I agree, we should get rid of most of the subsection headings. The politics section has way too many subsections. I've expanded the cities section, and if you put the village and council sections into it, then there could be two images beside the prose, and we can get rid of the gallery. Since

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E Pluribus Anthony restored the Name section changes, and I have put back the new photo of the Mosque, as well as restoring your work to the Politics section, and put back the fact tag. I assume that the reversion was done to restore the picture of the president, and he didn't look that much more

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I wont be too picky on this one as long as the caption is relevant. An inscription is good, but I dont know of any particular one. Maybe Jeff knows one. For this reason, I think a symbol can also suffice. The thing about Homa is, if youve noticed, is that it is the national symbol Iran's national

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Thanks for listing these suggestion Green Giant. I agree with almost all of them, especially with the removal of the subheadings; while it is not policy, but a guideline the Wikicountry project suggests that there should not be subheadings, and everything should be summarized, with a link to the

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The Politics section has too many short subsections and should be condensed to five paragraphs covering the President, Executive, Legislature, Assembly of Experts plus Councils of Guardians and Expediency together and finally the Judiciary. The numerous subheadings are unnecessary and clutter the

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Hey guys, I read an article that said director Maziar Miri has created a documentory about how the clothing and culture of Iran has changed from the times of the achamaenids to the present. It will be shown on Channel 4 on the Iranian TV in 13 eposides, each 30 mins. I thought everyone might be

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Please feel free to read through any of my talkpage comments and come back and tell me I don't stay clam and civil. The reason I found it amusing is that in each case the only person to defend the image was the uploader. I didn't think I would have to remind an accomplished editor that Knowledge

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I really don't think having pictures, or populations of those cities says anything about those cities, and doesn't add anything to the understanding of Iran. The reader sees a picture of Shiraz with a number, what do they learn? not much. Spending more effort on improving the history section,

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I think this article deserves to be a featured article since it's well documented, precise, and very well written. What do you think? And since I'm a newbie please help to put this article as a featured article (move the last featured article discussion on Iran to archives and resubmit). Thanks

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can be found on the web. The historical progression from absolute monarch, to constitutional monarch, to fully elective monarchy in Iran is an interesting one, and the dictate of the republican nature of the government in the consitution was necessary to make the head of state/government fully

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And I dont understand this resilient persistence in removing the gallery in favor of piling up images. The latter highly disrupts the flow of the prose whereas a gallery is a crisp and clean way of making a befitting page. And it's only 4 images. Why do away with a visual table (aka gallery) of

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line from Geography to History and for some bizarre reason a whole bunch of other changes took place at the same time including a reversing of the provincial wikilinks which I had fixed just minutes earlier to avoid redirects. I reverted myself and tried to move the line again and it worked. :)

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It wasn't the space that was the issue but more the lack of detail. If you put it there for efificiency and aesthetics then that is not a good reason to keep it. The image hasn't been erased - it's still on the server. If there is a larger image that shows more of the dome, I would support it's

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This seems like a compromise between people who don't wish to recongize the president of a country and the people that do... If George W. Bush is able to be displayed with his policies, shouldn't President Ahmadinejad be displayed (at least once) with his policies or associated with the current

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Seriously User:Timothy Usher, you have an agenda against user:Zereshk. You have made personal attacks against him. Have made these claims of sockpuppetry and pasted them publicly without going to the proper sources and finally accused him out of nowhere of being anti-Semetic or more accurately

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I'm begining to think that making this article featured is a bad idea. Making it featured at the cost of taking out info? That's just not a good idea; squeezing all the politics section into one "government" prose is absurd, because Iran doesnt have a clearly defined "government". Unlike other

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Please explain why that image is important in the Name section? I think you need to sit back and take a good look at the article because it is definitely cluttered the way you have restored it to. I find it quite amusing that both Zmmz and Zereshk have each defended an image they have uploaded

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This is speculative commentary which has no sources cited. This paragraph suggests readers adopt a particular political view. It attributes motives to the USA which are arguable, and uses the phrase "Zionist" which many find objectionable due to it's connotations. Unless this paragraph can be

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Green Giant has put a lot of effort into improving this article. If you spend time reading Knowledge (XXG) policies and guidelines, you will see that Green Giant has been almost a perfect Wikipedian, discussing changes, not reverting, .... I believe, through my experience editing the Canada

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What do they learn? They learn that Iran is a civilized nation. That it has cities. That it has culture. That it has an identity far more deeper than they every thought. As far as the American hoi polloi is concerned, eye-ran is a desert dwelling camel riding backwater country with mysoginist

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I still don't think a gallery is the right way to show that information. If the images of the cities are important they should be put inline into the text of the article. Personally, I would also get rid of the table, the information about the size of the cities is not important enough for a

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Deserts? There are no pictures of deserts, far as I can tell. I am willing to trim the gallery however. Or, I can forget about the gallery until the article is featured and passed, so that then we can actually add some real information to it and not sacrifice information for the sake of some

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passed at about 70KB. The important thing is not the quantity but the quality. However, articles have to adhere to summary style. The whole history section should have about five paragraphs - Ancient history, Post-Islamic conquest, Pre-20th century, the reign of the Pahlavi's and the Islamic

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Nowhere on the US page does Bush appear alone portrait style. His image apprears in a different context such as "Patriot act" or "No child left behind". The president has its own page. This image should be removed. The article is about a large autonomous country with millenia old history and

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Take this with a grain of salt, but after reading the talk page, I do feel a bit bad about the Iranian who seems to have spent a lot of time writing the article, and then was eclipsed/outvoted by multiple visiting editors. If you don't have passionate folks putting together the whole thing

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The photograph of George W. Bush does appear on the United States of America, but that's not the norm in all of the country-related articles. I personally don't think Ahmadinejad's photograph belongs on this article, as the article's focus is the country of Iran, not the current government.

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31.4 (Winter 2001): p156, “Reviewed by Ali A. Jalali, former Afghan colonel and author of several books on Afghan military history, including The Other Side of the Mountain, coauthored with Lester Grau. Mr. Jalali is Chief of the Farsi (Persian) Service at the Voice of America, Washington,

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the talkpage. It is remarkable that people ask these questions in edit summaries and yet only one editor (Jeff) has actually responded to my suggestions. I would appreciate it if you guys would look at the suggesions and make some responses before you make edit summary comments like that.

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This page is not owned by you Zmmz. I believe Zereshk's edits were hard work, and by your edits you deleted his work. But really wikipedia doesn't work that way, and if some of your edits were removed, you shouldn't take it personally, we are all working to make this article better. --

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Oh c'mmon guys, lets keep the trees (tears accumulating). They add a sepecial grace and ambience to the scene. Especially that we would lose part of the building as well. I wish I had done a better job on the resolution so that the snow capped mountains would also be visible in their full

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inclusion but as it stands the image wasn't doing any justice to the article. On a sidenote, the image removals you've done were good but why do you feel a gallery is needed for population statistics when a table does the job? You'll find that most featured articles on countries (such as

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and the other showed about half of the dome. The first image would be betetr because it shows the whole thing in context, whereas the second image would be hard to place in context. Does that make any sense? If we do go for an image from the above four, I would be inclined to favour the

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You dont approve any of these either? Aww come one, What is up with this need for details of a dome, Im wondering? What would that prove? Detail is totally irrelevant here. The image is merely supposed to be a testament of sorts to Iran's post-Islamic heritage. Not a testament to doming

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Zereshk asks in an edit summary "(→Politics - Why was this merged into the intro? The "Supreme Leader" has his own separate office and place in politics.)". Another eidt summary states "(→Parliament - The parliament has a title, similar to the Bundestag, Duma, Congress, Diet, etc...)".

2854:. The page looks much, much, much, much better without any image cluttering things up in that section. The beginning of the article is both more balanced and more elegant without any of the images, and anyone who's interested in the name controversy can easily follow the link and see 701:

The US article has a gallery of cities. Almost every state in the US also has a gallery of cities. Texas has 2. But I have cleared up many redundant images from the article. I dont know why people are so persistent in getting rid of the gallery. It's a direct visual aid in presenting

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The Provinces section should be renamed to something like Provincial and Local Government and expanded to include the City and Village Councils paragraph from just above it. Expand on the Provinces, in prose format – explain for example how the provincial system has evolved over the

889:"Summary style" article which countries should be (see the Country wikiproject). We should have short or medium-length sections with the most pertinent information with a main link to the articles with more information, like Cities of Iran; that page could have a gallery. I think 3440:

I agree fullheartedly with GreenGiant, especially noting that we're not taking out info, but moving to the relevent subarticles, which is the best way to organize the information, so tha the reader who is interested gets the info he needs without getting tired, and cutting out. --

3086:- will probably boost the price of oil. Investors could profit if they treated the international oils as bond substitutes and refiners arketers as commodity plays. Oils which should yield good returns are: 1. Exxon, 2. Pennzoil, 3. Quaker State, 4. Texaco, and 5. Amerada Hess. 3679:". I don't know what gives you the impression that I have no knowledge of Iran, but academic knowledge of a topic isn't a prerequisite in Knowledge (XXG). What is needed is the ability to edit, to utilise sources, upload images and follow rules such as copyright tags and 3731:

has done some great editing work. The editing aspect can be done by anyone I'd say. As for expertise on Iran, much of the information, since it has to be verifiable, can be retrieved from academic sources anyway which makes editing the article a job many people can do.

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I don't think length is an issue here, but more completeness. I think the page would still pass FAC if it had a longer length. The history section as it is ok, not great, but ok. I would remove the subsection headings though, to get the page more in summary style. --

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elective in a nation that had been wrestling with hereditary monarchies of varying degrees of stability for hundreds of years. The label of 'elected monarch' is clearly arguable. However, it is has been discussed in political science circles and the parallels to the

4191:

It's very interesting that the anon is angry at charges that someone is anti-Jewish, and believes that these charges are being leveled by "a group of Jewish editors". A curious lack of symmetry here. Calling someone anti-Jewish = slur, calling someone Jewish != slur.

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I didnt upload the griffin image. And I didnt move it from the naming section to the history section either. But if Zmmz wants to keep it in the name section, at least it would be good if he put a relevant caption so that it wont be deleted or moved. As it stands, a

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referred to the language. I wasn't aware that the government of Iran took such offense to the usage of the word, as opposed to Persian. I also did not know how severely pan-Arabism has affected the use of Persian/Farsi worldwide. Looks like I've got more reading to

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Now I understand where the anger stems from. Amazing to think that they should put someone in charge, who has been accused of being a nazi collaborater, in control of a country and be responsible for the worst human atrocities in the country in the time he ruled.

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Let's clear this up. I understood your logic Darkred, but I agree with Jeff that the {{main}} template isn't affected by the images being above it. I am certain we all agree that the large amount of whitespace below Economy is not a good thing. The solutions are:

3674:

Sorry, I wasn't intending to offend you, but when I have edited some articles, I have been asked the same question - if you're not from here, why are you editing this article? The reasoning is always to suggest that the article is not open to outsiders, because

3300:"stable" - this is only possible if everybody refrains from reverting everything without calm clear discussion. If you see another editor has made changes, compare the versions to see what the changes are and check talkpage to see if they've mentioned anything 4067:

of the text in the first paragraph (at least with my browser, Safari on MacOS X). If I try to move the picture to the right, the text is not obscured, but if I hide the main menu, the picture moves into the "History" section, where it is not intended to be.

3516:, and GreenGiant has not come to an agreement, he notes he doesn't want to get into a revert war, but still believes there is a reduction in whitespace. I don't want to get into a revert war either, but three editors believe those edits are appropriate. -- 3795:

It is interesting but I think we can definately improve on that, the fact that civilization from nearly 8000 years ago existed in Iran, (and not only they existed!, but they were civilized!) and they used to make wine, etc.. I think we should mention that

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I think the 1000 Toman bill in this picture is both dirty and old (although, thanks to Zereshk for uploading it). Please if anyone has a newer version (cleaner and more respectable) upload it. It will improve the quality of this article a lot. Thank You.

3066:

I've been trying to find a source for the quote, and searching journals through my university's website, but it seems that most references for "cradle of humanity" come up for Africa. Is there another term that is used, maybe "cradle of civilization" --

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I dont know. Wikiacc insists on the length. The article used to be much longer than this. It was trimmed over and over again for this very reason. I objected that it was ridiculous to have only 1-2 sentences span 1000 years in the history section. Nobody

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However it is important that we don't get in the way, and discuss the matter before changing everything ourselfs. Furthermore i don't think there is any need for discussing this subject any further, because it think that we understand eachother well. --

4014:

Yes there should be a sports section but no there shouldn't be a military section, because it is something worth examining on a separate daughter article. BY the way, think about starting an account - it is far easier to edit with than without one. :)

1629:) sculpture is considered one of the main symbols of ancient Persia in the Western perspective, as well as one of the national symbols in present-day Iran, and hence the explanation about the different names of the same country "Iran" and "Persia". -- 780:

I had already spotted the natural gallery but the cities and universities are just stacked on one another. Those aren't galleries, it's just people right aligning them - which is what I propose for all images on Iran except the ones in the infobox.

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President but this doesn't necessarily mean it is a monarchy. Anyway the article lacks sources and citations so I've placed an appropriate tag there and an appropriate on here until someone rustles up a source for Iran being an elective monarchy.

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Yes: the map, which I prefer: harks of references in antiquity. The caption can be tweaked, though. I'm also fine with including the currency pic, but I think it more highlights the dispute of the name, not necessarily its etymology. :)

4619:

I think we need more images for the History Section of the article. With such a long history and so many monuments, this section is really empty, one or two more images will do the job. Please give your opinion so we can decide. Thank you

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The History section before the Islamic revolution seems ok, the post islamic section could be shortened. I don't think the picture of Ahmadnijed belongs here. Other countries usually have the picture of the head of state in the politics

3338:- this means don't overload the article with images and don't write short essays in the captions. For example in the name section, the caption on the image should say what the image is, but leave the explanation for the main body of text 2714:- The straw polls are asking the wrong questions. All that is needed is for someone (it doesn't have to be Zmmz) to give a rationale for keeping the griffin image in the Name section and why it wouldn't be better in the History section. 1717:

Exactly, a symbol of a country has very little to do with it's name. It's better that there be no picture associated with a section, than a wrong picture. If the picture is important enough it should be moved into another section. --

2555:- Note: the Tochal picture shows snow, as well as the the Telecabin, in Tehran, and from experience I can tell that many are surprised that both exit in Tehran, or even Iran. So, it is more useful than just a boring pic of a mountain. 2247:

So it's me, Green Giant, and Zereshk who believe his edits in moving/removing the images is appropriate. There are too many images in the article, and they are all important, but decisions have to be made to remove some of them. --

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which unfortunately does not possess a single citation itself - which means at the moment the Cradle of Humanity is a personal point of view. We need a more verifiable source than one which relies on Knowledge (XXG) itself. Thanks.

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NPOV doesn't necessarily mean that criticisms need to be marked. Instead, as you note all aspects (positive and negative) should be noted, without noting them as postive/negative. The reader has to make their own decision, that is

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Did i say you can't edit or wikipedia does not allow that. No i did not, i said why edit something you have no good knowledge about. Why not leave that to the ones that have academic knowledge or have experince about the subject.

323:

The Economy section needs condensing to four paragraphs, images moved to one side and some sources for sentences like "Modern Iran has a solid middle class and a growing economy but continues to be plagued with high inflation and

3815:

The page says the Bush Administration has revealed plans for nuclear strikes. After reading the cited article, it seems the press was responsible for the revelation, not the Administration. I'm new, any advice on changing it?

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I am not against the Mahan picture. What I want to see is a bigger more detailed picture showing the entire dome and not just part of it. I agree there should be a post-Islamic image in History but it needs to be more detailed.

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is a article to compare with. Imagine if we could get Iran to be a featured article, then people can really understand what Iran is with a neutral-POV (not from the media), but to do so, we have to structure it differently. --

2155:. You ask for discussion before changes but did you read the suggestions we made for Article Improvement? The very least you could do is to comment about the suggestions if you feel so strongly about the changes. This article 4980:

The word "Farsi" has never been used in any research paper or university document in any Western language, and the proposal to begin using it would create doubt and ambiguity about the name of the official language of Iran.

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anti-Jewish. Why? Why is it that you and a group of Jewish editors are attacking user:Zereshk? I personally see a link to user:Acuman. Please stop these attacks against user:Zereshk. What you are doing in incivil and wrong.

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format, since all of the above appear throught the article, but I figured it might be good to check and see what anyone's thoughts would be first :-) If no one has a convincing reason not to, I'll just go ahead and do it.

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Again, agree with Green Giant, the picture doesn't fit in the Name section, should be in the history section if at all, and I really think there should be one picture from Iran's antiquity, not two. -- 12:57, 24 April 2006

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represent the 1400 years that Iran went through. It could be a Qajar painting, or a portrait of Shah Abbas, like the one below, or an architectural masterpiece. Which one would you guys rather have? Shall we vote on this?--

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has to do with a lot more than just being on the front page for a day. Let's put it this way - when uninformed readers look at the article, wouldn't it be nice for them to have an article of a high standard? Quoting from

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Yes i believe Persian is still used in academic circles, and probably more so than Farsi. However most encyclopedias have Farsi in parentheses next to Persian. And i share your opinions of persian gulf and the arabs. :)

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Just popped in to find out what kind of government Iran had. Then read the talk page. Personally, I liked the easy to read subheadings in the politics section. Helped me get exactly what I needed out of the article.

3345:- if you have an image you wish to use, be absolutely certain that the owner of the image has given clear permission. Zmmz has solved his particular problems with image copyrights by forwarding the relevant emails to " 2577:

All, how about if we agree to my suggestion for the pic here for the geo section, and instead have the snow/tochal/ski pic of Zmmz used as the image of the new section on sports that GG, ManiF, et al have been talking

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Thank for removing the link. Looking at that sentence I think it would be better placed in History rather than Geography. It looks out of place in a paragraph which talks about plains, rivers, coastlines and climate.

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The image of President Ahmadinejad is now next to the Politics section. He is effectively the chief spokesman of Iran, so I think an image of him is appropriate in the Politics section. Does that solve the objection?

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entry are correct, the alleged "formative link" between Zoroastrianism and Judaism are not as certain as this entry purports to be. I intend to fix it if no objections are raised. It is quite a contentious topic. --

5273:

I agree with Matic3d. This article makes it sound as though poor innocent Iran is being persecuted by the big bad U.S. I see no mention, however, of Ahmadinejad's assertion that Israel should be "wiped off the map".

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section on it's own. As for the gallery zereshk, even the USA article you cited doesn't have the cities in a gallery. The images are stacked up on the right-hand side and the section has some prose about the cities.

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The Geography section is good, but the subheading for Climate should be removed and the subsection merged into the main section. Also a source for the Cradle of Humanity sentence should be added as it’s a fairly big

2201:(XXG) is not about getting images released but about trying to write first-class articles. Before you accuse myself or Jeff of vandalism I suggest everybody freezes on the revert war and instead scroll up, read the 376:

Some of the politics sections can be combined in a summary style paragraphs; right now there are two many subheadings. The city and village councils doesn't fit since this is about the government of Iran, not it's

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22.2 (Fall 2002): p160, “The English literature on Afghan women is growing, though it still lags behind the coverage of Afghan women's suffering, struggle, and resistance in Farsi (Persian), Dari or other regional

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cities? I suppose we're trying to convey the idea that Iran has no big beautiful cities, and that people do indeed live in desert mud huts next to camels, guns, and barrels of oil, as the popular perception goes.--

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coutries, in Iran, state and church are one. The supreme religious leader can veto the entire cabinet. The clerics ("council of guardians") can dismiss the parliament's decisions or its elections, if they so wish.

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article you hold up as an example was a failed featured article candidate in 2004 and has not still not resolved the biggest problem - references. Look at the bottom of the page and there are seven notes under

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How about if we trim the gallery to 4 instead of 8 cities (which I think will pass the FAC), and have a table with more cities (e.g. 10), plus information such as what provinces theyre in etc.? Compromise?--

1475:

Please do not keep moving/deleting that pic around, and submit it under different sections; this will clutter the artcle. Discuss it with others before you keep moving the pic, or deleting it. Thank you

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infobox based on the fact that somewhere further down another editor had added an unsourced figure. It took him a little while to come round to the idea that that figure could be inaccurate and made up.

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what was the justification? It doesn't make any sense to use the word "persian" when no actual Iranians refer to the language unless trying to clarify for a non-Farsi speaker. Am I missing something?--

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I only gave the Capitol as an example of how an image should be. not whether it is representative of the U.S. or not. Yes I like this bigger image, it is all I was proposing. Yes to tree removal. :)

5246:"It has been reported that the Bush Administration has not ruled out using nuclear weapons against Iran which, if it were to occur, would be the first hostile nuclear bombing since World War II.. " 719:

Where in the US article is the gallery and where are the 2 galleries in Texas? The largest cities are covered by a table and you'll note that neither the US article nor Texas is a featured article.

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Yes, I didn't realize the source was a mirror of wiki. I'll find a better source but the statement makes sense to me considering how Middle East region is regarded as the Cradle of civilization. --

2219:

Zmmz has reverted much of the image work of Zereshk, and I have gone back to Zereshk's edits. I think the article is much improved the way Zereshk has modified it. There were too many images. --

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some Jewish and Christian scholars, despite the various influencing elements being evident." This needs two citations, and I'm inclined to believe its redundant too. What do other people think? --

5048:

Fārsi is a transliteration of فارسی that is why it was in parentheses after the word Persian. It was not out of ignorance, it was to help those who know Persian by the sound of its Arabic name.

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So instead of pictures of mountains and deserts, use pictures of cities. Images are used to reinforce the written article, and a gallery does not do that. I'm sure the FAC will object to it. --

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towards a political viewpoint (in effect it suggests that Iran is a potential victim of US agression through nuclear warfare, which opinion has no place in an unbiased and factual publication.)

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OK, but others don`t agree with your personal taste, or other. So please do not delete other people`s hard work on your own, and discuss it thoroughly first, or set-up a straw poll. Thank you

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Well there is many diverse looks for Iranians from blond and red headed Nordic types to Oriental/Asiatic looking types to Indic and Mediterreanen types resembling Greeks, Italians, and Arabs.

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But many Persians migrating to the West after the 1979 revolution continued to use 'Farsi' to identify their language in English and the word became commonplace in English-speaking countries.

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and doesn't belong in the sxn but might elsewhere (e.g., 'History'). And as discussed above, I've made this change (to the map, w/caption) ... but I will support whatever a consensus might.

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I think the currency picture (and it's associated caption) from the Iran naming dispute article would be a better choice, and give the reader a quick idea about what the section is about. --

2098:

I think the image is a major symbol, it blends to the section/next section nicely, and it also shows a slice of the biggest tourist attraction in Iran. Plus, it is aestethically appealing.

4051:

We need something better. I don't like that paragraph, it's too general and it's also factually inaccurate as skating or professional dancing are practiced in Iran by men or women only. --

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How about if you cropped just enough of it so that the third cupola (seen peaking between the 2 trees) is still visible? Youd have to crop half of the first tree for that. Would that work?

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fiercely bearded men that want a nuclear bomb. It goes without saying how a simple image can easily reverse such stereotypes. Not everyone is aware of Iran's true image, like me and you.--

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will tell you, the whole effort was to trim down the page to guideline length, so that we can nominate it for feature status. Adding another section is basically reversing these efforts.--

3759:

I think one of the major theories of CoH said that it is in Iran, sadly I can't remember his name but it was only a year or two ago and I read about his published work in a newspaper. --

4588:

This article doesnt have one real pic. of an iranian. Maybe its just me but when i look up a country i like to know wut the people look like as to compare them to countrys around them.

3196:

You noticed that too? The only changes I had made were supposed to involve the image of Mahmoud, but for some reason it changed a part of the page back to a cached version. Strange...

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I've read this article thoroughly and it is a good article with a thorough overview of Iran, but there are some issues that need to be resolved. This is just a rough set of proposals:

2677:- I think the image is a major symbol, it blends to the next section nicely, and it also shows a slice of the biggest tourist attraction in Iran. Plus, it is aestethically appealing. 1410:

Also, could you save and upload it as something else, under another name? It would be great if we could keep this image as it is, since it is being used on other articles as well.--

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You should also avoid suggesting that we "non-Iranians" are being counterproductive - driving for FA status is positive and it is being done on hundreds of articles right now. The

2435:- The image in the `Geography and climate` section is also important, since it shows the snow filled mountains of Tehran, and many do not know Iran has the four seasons. Thank you 4680:

is about to be deleted. Everyone, please help in turning the red links into blue and help keep the page alive and also in the talk page state your opinion on the page. Thanks --(

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better off for it. Overindulgence in images can very easily bloat and bury an article on such a broad topic as "Iran" if we are not extremely careful to be very selective and to

2143:, you have effectively reverted most of the edits I and Jeff3000 made without explaining the rationale. Your edit summaries should be civil and should not include comments like " 1816:

be too esoteric; perhaps better is Jeff3000's suggestion below or the map in the subarticle (given the roots of Iran/Persia (Persis)/Aryan (Ariana) and the country's location).

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Just because it's an old and modern symbol (and that it existed when the country was called Iran and Persia) doesn't make it relevent to the Name section. I totally agree with

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at the small sizes required for this article! What's the point of including a map if it not only causes layout problems, but if the text that makes the map relevant isn't even

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So you WOULD rather have stacked up images on top of eachother than a gallery. I see. I dont think people here would agree with you on that It further clutters up everything.--

5143:

I havent seen any WP policies specifically banning use of Fairuse images on talk pages, where they can be discussed. It would be great if you could show me such a directive.--

2293:

You don't make straw polls for every edit. How many straw polls have you seen on Knowledge (XXG). The point is that most editors believe Zereshk's edits were appropriate. --

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in the first place! It's amazing how ignorant we are about our own histories, and so naive to think that the Americans have a plan to "bring democracy to the Middle-East."

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we add an image to that section; the same problem would occur if we tried to add another image to the upper-left corner of the lead paragraphs!), and it additionally has a

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down sections like history, or not mentioning anything about the cities. How could one honestly have an article about Iran without, say, a depiction of Shiraz or Isfahan?--

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I think because of politics and fear of riots the regime instructed the team to lose or else they be sent to prison. because for them to be in so low a morale is unusual.

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article, and looking at Featured article nominations for other counties, that his edits have lead to the article being made much superiour. Just a note, I am Iranian. --

2394:; that is the standard procedure, and I am aware of 3RR very well. Please don`t use the discussion page to talk to another person; go to their talk page, instead. Thanks 4491:

Theyll eventually revert their own decision. Economic pragmatism will be what counts et the end of the day. And even the conservatives understand the meaning of profit.--

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intrested in seeing it. Now here is the problem.I don't know when it'll be shown and what time it will be on. If anyone knows anything please let us know, thank you. --(

3291:"well written" and "comprehensive" - at the moment all it needs is a tidy up of grammar/spelling, and maybe a couple of new sections like Holidays, Sports, Wildlife etc. 2107:

The image in the `Geography and climate` section is also important, since it shows the snow filled mountains of Tehran, and many do not know Iran has the four seasons.

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Half of it (including the Persian verses and their translations) was edited by me. The other half, people just kept adding in until it took the form it currently has.--

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but I intentionally cropped it up to narrow proportions for this very article. I dont know why youre insisting on having big blocky images instead of a narrow slim one.

3318:, summarising the entire topic and preparing readers for a higher level of detail in the subsequent sections - this is pretty much ready and won't need major overhauls 1804:

I'm not dismissing connections: in this instance, though, the griffin is hardly relevant and a grand leap for the usual visitor. As I've indicated above, I opt for a

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Green giant i am not offended . I don't have academic knowledge about iran either, but if someone have academic knowledge about a certain subject it is best to leave

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image to those proportions. Now we have 2 images of Iran's pre-Islamic past, and none of its post-Islamic past, which is not right. I'm putting the Mahan image back.

327:

Condense Demographics to prose form without subsections and remove the gallery of cities to Commons. Instead a table will do the job of presenting populations better.

3458:

I give up fullheartedly. You can erase all of the article to a stub, so that it can be featured, if that's what WP policies require for featured status. Good luck.--

643:

I have removed the Mahan Asemoon image and incorporated the caption into the main text. I agree there are too many images - dropping a couple of them would be good.

4786:

regarding the Farsi/Persian thing, it was long ago agreed that the article should use the "Persian (Farsi)" format when making references anywhere in the article.--

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I'm not sure what your comment above means, but what is this real information you talk of? You do realise that featured status isn't just a troublesome sideshow :P

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To maintain NPOV, it’s necessary to discuss positive and negative aspects within the various sections, like communal/ethnic tensions, economic and political issues.

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Also, Green giant, smaller is better. I dont think any guidelines actually prefer big blocky images instead. It takes longer to download on many remote browsers.--

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Yeah I looked at the article and it doesn't cite anything. I replaced it with some interesting stuff on pre-historic Iran that I think warrants inclusion though.

2041:

Im fine with either, as long as there is a befitting image. I'd go for the map though. But Im sure Zmmz and ManiF and others would want to give some input here.--

5071:

We can not just mess with the official names of the languages of the countries to help people who know little to recognise their wrong spellings of the names. --

2181:, especially the last two because they have only recently passed FAC. Note the criticisms and comments made on their candidacies and let's apply the ideas here. 5646:

Beautiful pictures really. I added the Kurdistan Hills. Please feel free to add the ones (1 or 2 of course) that you think are the most suitable. Thanks again.

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of which only five link to an external source. It amazes me that some editors still do not understand why we need sources. To the uninformed reader most of the

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Whatever the problem seems to be on this page, it needs to be solved here. Jeff3000 and Zmmz, I'm warning both of you to stop this edit war and do not violate

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Which guideline length is this? The 32KB one applied a long time ago when browsers couldn't handle such sizes. At the moment 39 KB is not that long - look at

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Appropriate length and tight focus on the main topic without unnecessary detail - the article is not too long and it won't matter if a few KB are added to it

5155:

The map was the ugliest, saddest thing I've ever seen. The creator is mentally challenged and knows nothing about the cultures of middle eastern countries.

3007:

Do it, and put the Tochal skiing picture there, so that Zmmz will also be happy, and so that we can have the previous problem (in the geo section) solved.--

4945:

Thank you for the link, Zereshk. I am a second-generation Iranian, so it seems strange to me to see the debate at all. Farsi is how everyone around me has

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on it, to hit two birds with one stone. The current Mt Damavand image isnt that great. I propose this one (seen to the right) for example. What do you say

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The main body of text is forced into awkward-looking shapes by the images being at left and right side. Choose one side and make all images stay that side.

2121:

Needs to be checked for NPOV. The whole section sounds like it's been copied from a web-page of the Iranian Ministry of Tourism, if there's such a thing.

396:

I don't think the persian text in the culture section is appropriate, as most people won't be able to read it. The english translations should be enough.

302:

The naming dispute section is also good but does that image have to be there? Could it be moved down to the History section where it is more appropriate?

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term for the language, but I disagree that Farsi is not used in English. You may not consider these to be research papers or university documents, but

3639: 3610:(d) Images where appropriate, with succinct captions and acceptable copyright status. (including images is not a prerequisite for a featured article). 2946:

Various users support including the Homa image elsewhere in the article, while minor varied support has been expressed about including the bill note.

2567:

As per the discussion here, I replaced the picture of Damavand in summer with a picture of Damavand in winter to show diversity of climate in Iran. --

2191:

discussion page, talk about it, and reach a consensus with others. If you keep reverting others`s original work, they will revert it back. Thank you

3321:

a proper system of hierarchical headings - the section headings are fine with the exception of Politics, which should really be renamed as Government

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that a better image would be ancient inscription/translation. The caption still doesn't fit the image; this image fits in the History section. --

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a month or so. I'd have to dig out the hard copy picture and scan it once again. I personally prefer this one because it is a visual eyepleaser.--

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Zmmz, no I need not warn editors on their talk page. Seeing how you've been blocked for 3RR in the past and I am aware that Jeff3000 is aware of

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is suspected of being Aucaman's sockpuppet. Aucaman has been banned from Iranian articles permanently by ArbCom. Please monitor. --anon observer

2970:

What do you guys think of a sub-section in culture about sports in Iran explaining Iranians' passion for wrestling, football, skiing and etc? --

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the section would be completely unnecessary (we have a whole extra article for that!), so the ideal solution is to simply leave the text be and

369:

While I usually like images on the right, at times there might be a reason to have an image on the left. We shouldn't be too strict on this one

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There were a couple of references to Iran being an elective monarchy but these are gone now. There is still one hidden link though behind the "

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No, you are mistaken; I was not the one that deleted Zereshk`s works. You need to set up a straw poll, instead of, deleting stuff. Thank you

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since they have nothing to do with each other and the article is apparently a product of simple ignorance. There is a vote on the talk page.

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article could be completely made up and they would never know. To give an example of this kind of thing, I recently came across a new editor

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Should there be a sports section. Many countries have this section. We should also add a military section. Im new, so I was just wondering.

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On a sidenote, I hope Zmmz won't be gone on a wikibreak for too long because despite the disagreements it's good to have critical reviews.

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You mean the Erathostenes map? Fine with me. I dont know, Im not too preferential on this one way or the other. Lets see what others say.--

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Please, if youre going to touch the main page, consult with the people who have spent many hours, if not days, and months, making it.--

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image which is much larger and clearer. However as space is limited at the top, perhaps the new image can go into the Culture section?

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For the sports section I wrote an article in a bit of time. Please edit and once it is good we shall hopefully add this to the page.

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So up until the coup in 1953, supported by the British and US (in which the US mostly funded and planned it), Iran was essentially a

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Zereshks edit in link one was the same thing i did with the images, greengiant as i showed you in the link did agree that the images

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First of all Zereshk did no such edit, second green and i have come to an agreement of what to do about this, you can read it here:

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OK guys. Im tired. Im retiring for the night. I have a seminar to give tomorrow. Happy constructive negotiating. Keep kewl, y'all.--

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Need general references (aka Further reading) for non-controversial statements and inline notes for more controversial statments --

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Agree need some prose for the Province section. Not sure we need a city section. Previously I've argued for such inclusion on the

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I personally think Ahmadinejad's picture doesnt belong on the front main page of Iran. It gives the impression to the reader that

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important that we are not Iranians? I am not French, Indian or Pakistani but I have contributed significantly to the articles on

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I think there are too many images on the page, and they are scrunched up together. I would favour the removal of the image. --

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Please also explain why three images are good in the Geography section? If we were to remove one, would you have a preference?

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Zmmz, please explain why the griffin image is relevant to the Name section. Is it not more appropriate in the History section?

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BTW, should I crop that picture to remove one of the trees so that the Mosque can be bigger when inserted into the article? --

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The bottom of this page should have a list of all the organizations that Iran is a part of, like many other country articles.

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A US Federal court can't just decide to give away a country's heritage. It doesnt belong to them. That's pretty fucked up.

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I am pleased to announce that I have just finished making a special comprehensive gallery (repository) of images for Iran.

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I'm ok with it as is, but I was suggesting removing just one of the trees, there would be one left. What do you think? --

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sports should be placed into culture, holidays is recommened by the Country wikiproject, also might need a symbols section

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Oooo, this is a nice picture, I like it quite a lot. Let's put it in, and see if we can resolve the copyright later. --

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is pretty but it's very small and cannot be expanded beyond 100px width. I suggest replacing it with something like the

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The decision was made on the basis of the official statement of The High Academy of The Persian Language of Iran: See:

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All for it (though I'm not sure we need the actual subsection title). Sports are an important part of the country. --

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The national anthem "Sorūd-e Mellī-e Īrān" can be roughly translated as "Hymn of (the) Nation of Iran" with "Nation".

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Yeah, I'm unsure what happened there: I only restored those tidbits (upfront) that I've dealt with recently. Perhaps

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Oil isn't the only natural resource in Iran, as well as Iran being the main land access to the far east (silk road).

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This pic hits three birds with half a stone; so there is no need for extra sections. But, you guys do what you want.

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Despite the western dubbed name of "Persia", "Iran" was used by Persians (Iranians) in the Persian language, as this

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The early phonological development of a Farsi-English bilingual child. Mohammad Hossein Keshavarz and David Ingram.

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The Culture section is good but again some condensing wouldn’t go amiss especially with the one-sentence paragraphs.

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without explaining the relevance. The Mahan image is too small and the Persepolis statue image belongs in History.

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I dont know, E Pluribus. Do you have a better image in mind, or are you just against any image for that section?--

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Once these are done, a peer-review would be a good idea and then I think Iran deserves to be a featured article.

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I didn't know about the high academy of persian language decision either. Good decision :). But this statement:

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The article still needs some refinement, especially dropping the gallery and adding new sections like holidays.

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Pure speculation. The Iranians didn't install a democracy to replace the Shah but an theocratic Islamic state.

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to cover sub-topics that have 'daughter' articles - this is the main reason I wanted the History section shorter

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Thanks for putting back the uncontroversial changes, I would have done so myself but I've been at work all day.

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I believe making a featured article takes more than deleting images to achieve it. Like you suggested yourself

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Searching for "cradle of civilization" and Iran, I found the following reference from Forbes magazine in 1983:

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griffin has nothing to do with "Iran-Shahr" or "Iran vaej", or at least that's what people will be wondering.--

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I think the Demographics section is ok, and the subheadings can be appropriate here. Remove gallery of cities.

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is not acceptable. It's not the date of establishment the citaiton request was asking but the bit which said

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Geography should be renamed Geography and Climate, and the sections merged. Too many images in this section.

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Some of these images are from Iranian news agencies and others are free images released into public domain.

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I was about to start go through and change all referrences to dates using these notations into the accepted

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should be in the line with the first sentence of the content itself not with a reference to another article

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in the top division of articles (thats less than 1,000 articles at the moment out of more than a million).

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I don't know why Bush refused this but I guess he though everything was going so well in Iraq at the time.

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Most of the problems seem to have already been edited out, but I'll see if I can touch it up a bit more.--

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is to a page which does indeed talk about the Cradle of Humanity but it cites the Knowledge (XXG) article

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The History section should be condensed to a summary of about five paragraphs without the two subheadings.

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Since Mahmud Ahmadinejad was elected as president the time will no longer be set back or forth one hour.

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Would anybody be able to tell me the translation of the name of the Iranian national Anthem? Much thanks

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media" is rather jarring. I did what I could to soften the transition but it could still use some work.

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Thank you for so promptly providing a source ManiF, but I hate to be the bearer of bad news. That link

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section. Maybe some of the content from the disputed paragraph can be moved into such a section. --

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in the case of Ahmadinejad: the President of Iran is the highest directly-elected official in Iran. -

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The "history section" uses MORE THAN HALF OF THE SECTION TO DESCRIBE THE LAST 60 YEARS OF HISTORY.

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myself, Im not so sure. I'd rather see an article that is comprehensive and informative (like the

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Thus, the map seems to be the choice of a majority and, arguably a consensus of editors. Thanks!

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foreign relations, and the culture section is much more appropriate. -- 18:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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sovereignty. Not about who leads it. I can bring other reasons why the image doesnt belong here.--

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I need that Iran page for my World Studies assignment. Hope you get banned from Knowledge (XXG).

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I also uploaded a 2000 Toman bill (Isfahani side) a while ago. I dont know what happened to it.--

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I do not know how to fix this problem. I hope that someone more knowledgeable than I can fix it.

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main article where the topic should be discussed heaving. Specific suggestions to the above are

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However i don't see why the images in the economy section do not belong there, they are perfect.

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pictures of Tehran is already in other places in the article, we'd only be losing one image. --

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I was posting this as GreenGiant posted the above, I agree with what GreenGiant said above. --

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Well we cut Pakistan from about 60KB down to 43 KB and nobody objected to the size. Similarily

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the last paragraph should not be in the history section, as they are current events. Discuss.

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as "good deed, good thoughts, good words". These are all related and conceptually intertwined.

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YES, AHMADINEJAD PICTURE SHOULD STAY OFF. He has no power, he is just a stupid chatter box. --

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is about to be deleted. requesting that the authors of that piece attend to it immediately.--

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where the connection to the name is clear and – in absence of that – none. Including one of

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By the Way here are pictures of Azaris from the Iranian Preisdents recent visit to the North

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But the caption has nothing to do with the picture, the picture is about Iran's history. --

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Excellent idea, but where would you put it? Somewhere between History and Politics perhaps?

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at the small sizes it's required at! The map should be reserved for daughter articles like

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Homa griffin of ancient Iran, with a caption stating what the country was called back then.

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I was going to give the two equal credibility in the text, perhaps a little more NPOV. --

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I removed the image because it falls under fair use and is not allowed on talk pages. See

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The bottom of this page should have a list of all the organizations that Iran is a part of

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As for the Economy section, I am working on extra content but it may take me all weekend.

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As per the discussion here, I reworded the picture's caption with relevant information. --

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On the issue of which image, I too would prefer the map on the same grounds as Zereshk.

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More in-line citations is better – at least one for every possible controversial matter.

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your than welcome to add more material to the economy section to delete whitespace. --

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Featured article does not mean taking out info - in fact quite the opposite. The main

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As of this note, the above vote has yielded the following assertions from 10 editors:

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griffin of ancient Iran, with a caption stating what the country was called back then.

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In 2003, U.S. Spurned Iran's Offer of Dialogue Some Officials Lament Lost Opportunity

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inadvertently restored a cached or otherwise halluncinatory version of the article?

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is a secondary choice but more exemplifies the modern naming dispute, not etymology

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/17/AR2006061700727.html

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Man, I know. It was .. well nevermind. It's only football at the end of the day. --

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43.6 (March-April 2005): p15 “75,000: Estimated number of blogs written in Farsi.”

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I wanted to know why the British were involved in Iran before oil was discovered.

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pass FAC until and unless each of the editors fully appreciates the guidelines at

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A Template SHould be created listing all the organizations that Iran is a part of

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Some new sections are needed especially concerning sports, wildlife and holidays.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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problem which doesn't exist for the homa image: it's completely impossible to

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By Glenn Kessler Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, June 18, 2006; Page A16

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It's just fine in Firefox, and I can't test it in Safari (I'm on Windows). --

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Remove the picture, doesn't fit with section, and causes weird shape of text

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For the naming section we can only have one image. Which would you prefer?

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I think the Economy section is ok. Images make the text look weird though.

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There is no mention of the Bam earthquake – such a tragedy is worth noting.

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Afghan Buzkashi: Power Games and Gamesmen. (Book Reviews). Ali A. Jalali.

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This vote will be held for three days (until thursday the 27th). (agree?)

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I asked you before, please review the 3RR warning policies on the 3RR page

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A template should be created for Iran, much like the following example;

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is a tough word to use correctly. Here are just a few recent examples:

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originally, you wouldn't have anything to come through and edit later.

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How exactly does the gallery not disrupt the flow of text? Even in the

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and make a constructive comment as to how the article can be improved.

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do not keep moving/deleing picfs on your own, it is becoming disruptive

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THAT ISN'T HISTORY! MOST OF THIS IS FOCUSED ON IRANIAN AMERICAN TIES.

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each area of pseudo-democracy were military (economically) controled.

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How exactly do you mean the press was responsible for the revelation?

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above but it seems to have become lost in the middle of the talkpage.

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ok, I've cropped it, as so. I'm not sure which one I like better. --

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are the same width and the same side - just like the city images in

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PROVEN UNTRUE. STOP THIS NONSENSE. THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL FORM. --

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6 votes (5 at a mere cursory glance) prefer including the map image

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The following Anons, have all been confirmed to be sockpuppets of

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Pepsidrinka warn users on their talk page please; not here please.

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which is 43 KB. By the way removing a citation request and saying

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blue dome, the adobe parts, all convey the meaning sufficiently.

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why the British were involved in Iran before oil was discovered

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Jeff, plz scroll downstairs and vote before you forget. thnx.--

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Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion/Anti-Persianism by Arabs

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Can't really find citation for Iran being a Cradle of Humanity

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That would be a good idea. I suggested covering sports in the

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Please notify Admins for any necessary measures. Thanx all.--

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20:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC) I have made this clearer in the

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a page about a country neither implies that the individual

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Airline has chosen as well. So it's not that irrelevant.--

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TAKE NOTE OF THE 2003 IRANIAN OFFER FOR PEACE WITH AMERICA

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attributed to a reliable source I suggest it be removed.

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The article has unjustly been nominated for deletion (by

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Not sure we need the Bam earthquake in a summary article.

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The usual people are at it again. Now trying to delete

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Women of the Afghan War.(Book Review). Shahrzad Mojab.

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Yet another drive for deleting Iranian related articles

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Move one of the images to somewhere else in the article

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Picture in `Name`, and `Geography and climate` sections

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with one showing a complete view from one side such as

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the media doesn't tell the real truth about this place

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which is a featured article, the section is after the

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I'm not sure what happened, but I tried to move the

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for the same reason a while ago, and the article is

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We can definitely use it on other articles indeed.--

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Republic. All the rest of the detail should go into

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which you can find in the link is just not true. --

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Knowledge (XXG):Requests_for_CheckUser#User:Gadolam

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Vote on the Tochal picture in the `Climate` section

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The lead is good and should be left for the moment.

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This is analogous to adding a picture of the 384:page, but I now see why it's not really needed. 5428:Standardizing BC/BCE/B.C/CE/AD/A.D. throughout 5316:- I have suggested a split into two articles, 4400:whether you vote for or against the article. 2660:"Iran"'s name on ancient map by Erathostenes. 2601:, not the one that exists on the page now. -- 8: 5464:may I suggest some images for this article: 3409:on inserting an estimated population in the 2894:images to be used on daughter articles like 2333:So, put the pic back, while I set up a poll. 616:The third image in the History section, the 460:section, but I think it fits best after the 3510:Zereshk did perform such edits, please see 2899:rather than a pleasure, to read. Moreover, 218:political affiliation of his government? -- 5120:Image:Ralph Peters solution to Mideast.jpg 5075:07:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Fārsi is not a 3605:Knowledge (XXG):What is a featured article 3284:Knowledge (XXG):What is a featured article 2163:Knowledge (XXG):What is a featured article 2624: 1150:(OK OK. it was just an attempt at humour) 660:hence ignoring an established consensus. 5353:By "formative link" you mean this part: 5284:The English name of the Persian Language 4931:The English name of the Persian Language 4843:names. I believe Farsi is one of them.-- 3599:1. I refer you to the edit I made under 1338: 1220: 824:to see how the images are placed there. 2621: 2611:Vote on picture in the `Naming` section 2238:Same here, I agree with Jeff's revert. 1069: 4477:I hope thats supposed to be a joke? -- 4150:has been confirmed as a sockpuppet of 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 5028:International Journal of Bilingualism 4707:PERSIAN/IRANIAN HISTORY NOT VERY GOOD 3309:Other things that need covering are: 565:and any associated history articles. 7: 4678:List_of_the_localities_around_Tehran 3681:Knowledge (XXG):No original research 3614:either more content or fewer images. 3324:a substantial but not overwhelming 2826:- As per my earlier explanation. -- 1625:I disagree, that Homa (please read 1148:details? what for? this is detail. 5334:Zoroastrianism and Ancient Judaism 4811:When you ask someone if he speaks 3584:This has been going on long enough 2942:1 vote for not including any image 1996:The map is fine by me as well. -- 556:is also 43 KB and not so long ago 24: 4770:Tightening of the Culture section 4630:Federal Court ruling against Iran 4428:Your input would be appreciated. 4317:Please use it, and fill it up!!! 3334:where appropriate, with succinct 2078:I think map is very relevant. -- 1812:or the like is a possibility but 741:does WP allow galleries at all?-- 134:Iran is equivalent to ahmadinejad 3747:world. Plus, it's badly worded. 3589:concerend about this article? -- 3473:Main article template and images 3208:"Iran: The Logic of Deterrence" 2653: 2641: 1108: 1096: 1084: 1072: 29: 3638:which you can check here -: --> 2523:- good idea. Change my vote to 4576:Whos the kid that edited Iran! 4062:Formatting problem with images 3864:the Supreme Leader at any time 2994:Talk:Iran#Article improvements 2648:Iran name on 19th century bill 431:Foreign relations and military 425:Foreign relations and military 1: 4598:References in history section 3923:- An uncomfortable thought.. 2935:3 votes prefer including the 2856:all three of the above images 2616: 1122:I'm fine with any of these.-- 499:We dont have room for it. As 5338:If my understanding and the 5314:Talk:Iran-Iraq UFO Sightings 3891:. External sources such as 3550:Add extra content to Economy 3348:" and by posting a note on " 1605:article, like the map (q.v. 523:the world's first superpower 5641:Hills of Kurdistan Province 4728:23:46, 13 August 2006 (UTC) 4305:22:54, 13 August 2006 (UTC) 3343:acceptable copyright status 285:02:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC) 275:22:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC) 261:02:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC) 223:02:38, 16 August 2006 (UTC) 5667: 5084:14:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC) 5061:20:36, 3 August 2006 (UTC) 5013:Columbia Journalism Review 5007:20:26, 3 August 2006 (UTC) 4672:Help keep this page alive! 4131:See your talk page, Tim.-- 4091:the return of banned users 3907:Iran a secular democracy?? 3803:09:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3783:09:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3766:08:16, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3752:07:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3737:07:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3723:04:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3705:04:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3691:03:18, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3669:02:54, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 3646:01:35, 29 April 2006 (UTC) 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(UTC) 3959:20:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC) 3607:- Style Manual point d): 3286:, the article has to be: 1661:Others can be: as above, 1607:Canada's name#Name origin 5102:16:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC) 4791:01:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC) 4780:21:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC) 4764:01:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC) 4749:16:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC) 4691:18:30, 1 July 2006 (UTC) 4667:00:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC) 4651:From Persepolis to Vanak 4484:18:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC) 4436:00:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC) 4384:02:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC) 4333:04:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC) 4295:03:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC) 4285:21:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC) 4247:00:03, 16 May 2006 (UTC) 4237:16:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC) 4221:01:03, 14 May 2006 (UTC) 4211:14:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC) 4197:22:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC) 4180:19:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC) 4163:20:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC) 4136:21:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC) 4123:03:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC) 3601:Talk:Iran#Changes needed 3556:Remove one of the images 2423:File:Tochal Mountain.jpg 1806:relevant, better picture 1265:GG, what do you think?-- 156:United States of America 5310:Iran-Iraq UFO Sightings 4584:Picture of of a Iranian 4431:Thank You all. Peace.-- 4352:just as I had suspected 4252: 4085:22:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC) 4075:22:44, 9 May 2006 (UTC) 4056:22:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC) 4046:05:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC) 4033:23:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC) 4020:23:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC) 4006:04:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC) 3876:02:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC) 3846:01:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC) 3341:All images should have 3132:work had been done. -- 2599:zereshk's picture above 2480:that is both appealing 1697:for a naming sxn about 1019:suggested guidelines.-- 842:section look weird. -- 5642: 5020:Canadian Woman Studies 4757:Iran-Britain relations 4396:Please contribute to: 4276: 3883:See the definition of 3662:and i agreed with you, 2966:sub-section in culture 2452:- Too many images. -- 2428: 2418: 2203:suggested improvements 1883: 1592:IMO, the picture of a 1344: 1226: 1152: 5640: 5322:UFO sightings in Iraq 5318:UFO sightings in Iran 4413:of similar articles. 4275: 2597:This time i vote for 2426: 2416: 1877: 1342: 1224: 1178:United States Capitol 1147: 403:Yes limit subheadings 42:of past discussions. 5235:Questionable content 4507:Iran-Italy relations 3018:Source provided for 2882:; I removed it from 2712:Move down to History 2417:Zereshk's suggestion 1675:Canada#Canada's name 363:Leave the lead as is 291:Article improvements 5312:and my comments on 4977:Imported discussion 4818:you speak Français? 4374:User:88.110.200.222 4342:have been confirmed 4272:File:1000tomani.jpg 3862:dismiss and replace 3727:Yeah I concur that 3143:User:Never Cry Wolf 2922:Vote summary/result 2896:Iran naming dispute 2880:Iran naming dispute 2756:. Effectively, the 2543:as per Zereshk. -- 1665:are different from 1603:Iran naming dispute 1079:Scene of Shah Abbas 519:read a history book 5643: 5195:References Section 5097:was interesting.-- 4505:please do add to: 4410:and even category 4369:User:88.111.86.206 4320:It is located at: 4277: 4253:a reader's comment 3385:Expediency Council 3261:Just my opinion.-- 3178:Cradle of Humanity 3147:E Pluribus Anthony 3030:Cradle of Humanity 3020:Cradle of Humanity 2951:E Pluribus Anthony 2852:No image necessary 2766:E Pluribus Anthony 2664: 2429: 2419: 2149:explaining reverts 1950:E Pluribus Anthony 1884: 1818:E Pluribus Anthony 1746:picture? 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