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In addition to this comment being a fallacy, only a propagandist would say that executions in the United States are public. Only the family members of those involved, legal witnesses, and selected representatives from the press are allowed to view the execution. Executions in Iran often consist of a
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Sorry I'm somewhat new to editing. Anyway, I was the one who has been deleting the drug information from the economy section. I just don't see why it should be covered in a "economy" section. I mean
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Well, yes, but presenting that level of information on a country of 68 million people and 1.6 million km² would take far more photographs than we can fit in an article of this size, or indeed any article. Eventually editorial judgement will come into it. Loading this overview article with photos of
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Exactly, it's not a propaganda page. Therefore it should accurately portray what a sad state the country is in. And even though it is apparent that you hate the United States, any individual that is free from neuroses or pathological tendencies can see that your attempts to equate the United States
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The economy section is all good until you get to DRUGS! This has nothing to DO to the economy. It's not like the government is selling and making money. It's the smugglers and so once again the
Economy section needs to be cleaned up not just because of the drugs, the jumping too. People who write
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A blatant fallacy, but for the sake of argument, and because it is clear that you hate the United States, why don't you compare Per Capita GDP, Standard of Living, and
Unemployment figures of Iran with those of the United States and the European Union. Also take into account the vast amounts of
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entry (and related entries) is dominated by Baha'is, who take the opportunity to downplay criticisms and in general slant their information in predictable directions. Please consider this a call for non-Baha'i editors to come have a look at the site, and help ensure balance. Thank you.
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entry (and related entries) is dominated by Baha'is, who take the opportunity to downplay criticisms and in general slant their information in predictable directions. Please consider this a call for non-Baha'i editors to come have a look at the site, and help ensure balance. Thank you.
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is a better place for them? Remember that the cultural history of Iran runs back around 1400 years (farther if you don't assume a significant cultural break after the
Islamic conquest), and the last few decades, while in the forefront of many people's minds, are not exactly
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Wikiacc has taken out sections completely, deleted key internal links (keeping links that do not really matter), and watered down the page significantly. The section on the government (with the sub-sections) needs to be restored definitely. We based the page's design on the
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Wikiacc has taken out sections completely, deleted key internal links (keeping links that do not really matter), and watered down the page significantly. The section on the government (with the sub-sections) needs to be restored definitely. We based the page's design on the
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admittedly, nevertheless the ine added religious information is useful in this context. I am no expert on the statistics of individual towns and must leave it here to you and others to hash it out, but clearly it would be useful if you not both start again a revert war.
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admittedly, nevertheless the ine added religious information is useful in this context. I am no expert on the statistics of individual towns and must leave it here to you and others to hash it out, but clearly it would be useful if you not both start again a revert war.
1874:...because we don't see them saying that Israel should be "wiped off the map," and we don't see them denying the holocaust. Who says such things? Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, president of Iran. Oh and guess what, Falwell and Robertson are not government officials.
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Religious minorities should have its own section, and its own map. And it should be separate from ethnic minorities. Merging the two, should entail merging both corresponding existing articles. Aside from the fact that the religious map is ethnically
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Religious minorities should have its own section, and its own map. And it should be separate from ethnic minorities. Merging the two, should entail merging both corresponding existing articles. Aside from the fact that the religious map is ethnically
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Also, if there are any newcomers that intend to edit and make contribs on a regular basis, please let me know, leave me a message, or email me. We have a BIG need and deficiency in
Iranian editors on WP. I cant edit everything all by myself. We need
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I think that wikilo12 is right and that that this part of the article should not be there. What if some
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choking smog, burning flags, millions of impoverished, and public executions—that's hardly an accurate portrayal of the country either. I'd say the same if (for example) someone were to decide that the
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is having some POV problems. The text is a bit biased toward
Kurdish secessionist views (downplaying the Azaris there). For those interested, please address it as you see fit. Thanx all.--
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is having some POV problems. The text is a bit biased toward
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Iran look like anything; it should be up to the reader to decide, which is why I call the featured pictures into question: they do not accurately portray the country by any stretch.
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keeps putting unverified (+ protected) tagg for no acceptable reason regarding the Kurds in
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Even though your point is fallacious anyways, if you look at the article on LA, there is a picture that shows the smog very clearly. Oh, and take a look at this...
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article really needed photographs of the Chesapeake Bay dead zone, the 1968 Democratic National Convention, the slums of Detroit or Baltimore, and Abu Ghraib. —
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Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed. Knowledge (XXG) is a
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of Diyako's map for very useful. I trust that inaccuracies can be corrected by someone with some graphical talent - there is a Gimp or photoshop after all.
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of Diyako's map for very useful. I trust that inaccuracies can be corrected by someone with some graphical talent - there is a Gimp or photoshop after all.
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sometimes even more (see Serbs/Croats/Bosnians) - more a function of religious affiliation. Quiet apart from this I would suggest to calm down generally.
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sometimes even more (see Serbs/Croats/Bosnians) - more a function of religious affiliation. Quiet apart from this I would suggest to calm down generally.
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Look Zereshk - use of Farsi on this page is rather uncivil. As I said I can not help with the accuracy of the ethnic distributions. I hold the
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Look Zereshk - use of Farsi on this page is rather uncivil. As I said I can not help with the accuracy of the ethnic distributions. I hold the
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Clearly this isn't a "factbook" type of article; it includes current events relevant to Iran, and topics of debate. So, the question is...
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Please restore both maps. One is a "religious map". The other is an "ethnic map". They are different. Me and Diyako reached this solution.
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Please restore both maps. One is a "religious map". The other is an "ethnic map". They are different. Me and Diyako reached this solution.
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erase the photos that you upload, no matter how nice, important, and safe they seem for uploading, if they dont have the proper tagging.
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1. You have no business making alterations to my posts. If you have a point you want to make, do it in your own space.
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Because the smog isnt there all the time. Do we see smog pics on Los Angeles?--Zereshk 22:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
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Zemnan een babaee ke migi bahash "edit war" daaram, Irani ham hattaa neest. Edit haash por az GHARAZ VARZEE hast.--
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Zemnan een babaee ke migi bahash "edit war" daaram, Irani ham hattaa neest. Edit haash por az GHARAZ VARZEE hast.--
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Hi Aytakin, one of those maps does not show religious minorities. Thanks.
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Hi Aytakin, one of those maps does not show religious minorities. Thanks.
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particular products. Anyway, that's it. Thank you for your time.
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