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I shouldn't have to remind you of this, but the proposal is to move this article to "Isco (footballer)". No source uses "Isco (footballer)". Go on, have a look at what the sources call him. None of them use the name "Isco (footballer)". It's very simple. Therefore,
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It's difficult for me to see this as anything but a philosophical argument against qualifiers in general. You really think this guy's first name, middle name, and first family name together constitute his common name? He's known professionally by a mononym. Should
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Isco sounds good to me, then. (A hatnote pointing to ISCO would probably be helpful, though)
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