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Americans pronounce bath differently). There is no significant differences between these linguistic subgroups. About Shah Ismael. During those ages where someone is from was defined by their birthplace, mother tongue and polity they served for, as there was no DNA test back then. He was born in a majority-Azerbaijani settlement, spoke Azerbaijani as his mother tongue, and served a polity which was created by his forefathers more than a century ago. Since the Seljuk invasions the Turks regarded the Persian language as the language of literature, while Arabic was the language of science and religion. Just like how Latin and Greek had a huge importance in the Christian Europe. They wrote Persian in the palace but spoke Turkic. Imadeddin Nasimi was one of the few to rebel against this idea and left the palace (fun fact, he ended up being tortured to death). So it's reasonably why Ismael and other Azerbaijani people of significance created their works in Persian. Another fact, after the arrival of Seljuks, Turkic language received a lot of Persian and Arabic influences. A modern-day Turkish speaker is no way near understanding the 13th century Anatolian works. Same goes for Azerbaijanis. --► Sincerely:
1522:). There are much better sources available, such as Encyclopaedia Iranica, Cambrdige History of Iran, and so forth. Why do you not cite any of those? b) Modern national borders and self-understanding did not exist back then. Ismail did not identify himself as an "Azeri" or a "king of Azerbaijan". He identified himself as a "Safawi" and as a hereditary grandmaster of that movement. His first battles were meant to revenge his father. After defeating the Turkoman confederations, he realized the power vacuum and declared himself king of all of Iran. Read Minorsky or Savory. c) Even though this information is wrong (i.e. that he was "king of Azerbaijan"), it is still mentioned in the article. But it is irrelevant for the introduction. In a very short time, he established himself as the "King of Iran", and he was recognized as such by his Ottoman and Uzbek enemies. --
3743:, and you sound like an Iranian nationalist Shia (which is pagan at this point) who shouts "Ya Hossein", instead of "Allahu Akbar". The sad thing is that your response was directed at me and my beliefs, instead of the topic. Also, me being a Pan-Turkist Irrendist (which I'm, not) has nothing to do with this topic. You have no right in being provocative by question or critics me for such things, as this site isn't about the users. It is clear that you wouldn't know that in your single year of experience. Vast majority of Iranian Azerbaijani want the unification, but cannot voice this opinion because they'll get executed by the Ayatollah regime, which is a religious dictatorship. Yes, I support the independence of Uygurs, because they're being systematically purged by the Communist regime... Get your facts straight. --► Sincerely:
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of which are full of ridiculous alt-facts and misinformation, to back up their ridiculous claims. The main issue on this article is the origin of Shah Ismail, I believe that many Pan-Turks hijack this page claiming that Shah Ismail was a Turk or
Turkish or whatever floats their boats. Not only are these claims baseless and sound ridiculous but they have invaded this article! Most people which do an in-dpeth reserach on not only the Safavid dynasty buy also the Azeri people, will realize that Azeris are Turkic peoples because they speak a Turkic language but they are culturally Iranian/Iranic as well as genetically and historically Iranian/Iranic. Hence, why Shah Ismail is considered an Iranian as he is of Kurdish-Azeri origin. We must protect this page from vandalism. Just a heads up.
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his mother tongue was
Azerbaijani. In my opinion, these facts suffice to pay tribute to this remarkable person's love to his mother tongue and to include his name in the intro in his mother tongue as well. It's sad to see that someone is reluctant to do it. I consider the argument that "he may also have had Kurdish ancestry, so then if one mentions his name in Azerbaijani, they should mention his name in Kurdish as well" poor attempt to hide his importance for the history and literature of Azerbaijan. Dear fellow mates, please consider to revert back my edit from 18:24, 27 October 2018. --
4079:"You can try to mislead people who have no historical knowledge by forcibly making them "Turk" while this goes against all scientific studies" then he immediately goes to push myths about how there were no Turkmens present in Anatolia and Azerbaijan which is debunked by autosomal studies and suddenly Turkmens whose elites actually adhered to Turko-Persian tradition Turkified Iranians. Which actually goes against all the autosomal studies. I like the irony there. I suggest putting an eye on this guy who passive-aggresively pushes his POV. He is clearly biased and suffers from
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Persian (it would be "pandnâme" in pure Persian). Also, the word "dahnâme" is completely Persian. How are his books relevant for Shah Ismail's name ? If the Azerbaijani language was so important for him, why wasn't that language at least one of the official languages of the Empire ? or at least one of the languages of literature (which was Persian)? I have no problem with the inclusion of his Azerbaijani name in the article if you can gain consensus about it, but as far as i can see, several editors disagree with that. Cheers.
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Azerbaijan Research Centre. Don't you think it will be biased information? Moreover, reference to link doesn't contain enough information to justify he was Kurdish, it just says that during Shah Ismael and Tahmasib time Ṣafwat al-ṣafā revised to obscure the Kurdish origins of the Safavid family and to vindicate their claim to descent from the Imams. Is it enough to justify history? One sentence? Open question to you guys whether this reference is valid or not.
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multiple generations. The community must calculate both sides of perspective. There are, just like with the
Persian ones, many sources that claims that Shah Ismael was of Azerbaijani descend. Let's be honest here, people like Wikaviani are the ones who claim that "Azeri"s are part of the Iranic ethnolinguistic family. Removing İsmayıl's Azerbaijani name variant was completely wrong and an action must be taken against it. This is my final say. --► Sincerely:
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wikipedia information biased. I think this points should be reflected in all articles. All articles which says it is
Kurdish should be reviewed and changed properly to reflect obscure origin of family, which may be Turkic or Kurdish. Non of this has not proved yet, so far we know family spoke Azeri Turkish and promote this language to court, not kurdish not persian.
3926:" Since you've decided to be "honest", please tell me where i've said that "Azeris are part of the Iranic ethnolinguistic family" ? otherwise, this comment qualifies as a second personal attack toward me (You've been warned by Kansas Bear for the first one). For your information, accusations about personal behaviour that lack evidence qualifies as a
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represent us. Our ancestors came this land during Hulagu Khan, Turco-Mongol army eliminated native Iranic people of
Azerbaijan just like they did in Central Asia. Keep in mind, Ibn Sina, Biruni, Khwarazmi and many many Persian polymaths were born in Central Asia not present day Iran. Greater Persian civilization was destroyed in 13th century.
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like oghuz and tatar because it is a long argument about assimilation, however, accusing the owner of this article of being Pan-Iranist is telling you are a Pan-Turkist like 89% - 97% of
Azerbaijanis or Turks from Anatolia, you are accusing anyone's does not agrees with you of being Pan-Iranist while you are the Pan-Turkist here. Ironic...
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3781:" : Wrong, it has to do with this topic, since you sound like a Pan-Turk, you have probably some bias about this topic. When you say that there is no significant differences between north and south Azerbaijani while a reliable source like ethnologue claims the opposite, how do you call this ? personally, i call this POV editing.
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Regarding your phrase "Azerbaijani Turk", back then these Turks called themselves or were referred to by others simply as
Muslims, Turks, Turkomans or even Ajam (meaning from Iran). The term is believed to came into existence or made popular by the Russian authorities who seized the northwestern Iran
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I think I should start by pointing out that I wasn't practicing my editing skills on this article. I have been on Knowledge for a decade, and I have never vandalized or changed information on a page out of pleasure. In short, I find the diacritics to be distracting and unhelpful. And I'm not entirely
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Could you please justify why you removed my note about Shah Ismael's name in Azerbaijani Turkish? Is there any reason why it shouldn't be there? and My I know why I didn't get notice? My actions are proper and I properly reason my edit, unfortunately some users don't, but somehow they got support due
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Don't get me wrong, i don't speak Azerbaijani and i haven't read Shah Ismail's books (unfortunately), all i said was that the names of his works are in Persian. You focus on the Arabic word "nasihat" but you don't speak about "Nâme", which is purely Persian, this makes the word "nasihatnâme" at least
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Then why Turkish rahter than Persian words in Urdu, for than reason Ghaznavids spoke Persian?! Also sources is not reliable about that he was the Kurdish origin. There are even dead link. Shah İsmail prased The Turks in own poems and apothegm therefore was Kurdish descent or The great ancestor Sheikh
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Some of the references do not make any sense. E.g. Anthony Bryer, open citation, p. 136 says the Emperor of Trebizond gave his Christian daughter to a Sufi-Muslim high-priest who had no power or army to even protect himself let alone protecting the Trebizond Empire from the superpower of the world
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The third reference number Tapper, Richard (1997). Frontier Nomads of Iran: A Political and Social History of the Shahsevan. Cambridge University Press. p. 39. ISBN 978-0521583367. The Safavid Shahs who ruled Iran between 1501 and 1722 descended from Sheikh Safi ad-Din of Ardabil (1252–1334). Sheikh
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Secondly, the reference number Savory 1997, p. 8. - My question to you guys, is it right way to refer something, as reference is completely not clear. It refers to Encyclopædia Iranica. Is it right to refer some sites which is opened by Iranian Foundation or founded by Iranian foundation? It is like
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Particularly confusing is this passage: "His father, Martha, was the son of Uzun Hasan by his Pontic Greek husband Theodora, better known as Despina Khatun. Theodora was the son of Empress John IV of Trebizond. (He had married Uzun Hassan in a deal to protect Trebizond from the Ottomans.) Ismail grew
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He was not kurd right but of Iranian origins and native middle eastern origins, Ismael mother side which is from Uzun Hassan is mixed as well with Georgian and Greek and Turk and by the way Uzun Hassan was more Greek genetically than Turk, and I won't talk about the deep origins of the turkic peoples
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let me give a brief information about Manucci. NICCOLAO MANUCCI, the hero of our narrative, ran away from Venice in 1653, being then fourteen. He hid on board a vessel bound for Smyrna, and was fortunate enough to find a protector in a certain Viscount Bellomont, an English nobleman, then on his way
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Ismail was also a prolific poet who, under the pen name Khaṭāʾī (which means "he who made a mistake" or "he who was wrong" in Persian), contributed greatly to the literary development of the Azerbaijani language. Starting from him, Azerbaijani Turkic language was spoken language in court of Safavids
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Turkic language of Azerbaijan gradually supplanted the Iranian languages in what is now northern Iran, and a variety of languages of the Caucasus and Iranian languages spoken in the Caucasus, particularly Udi and Old Azeri. By the beginning of the 16th century, it had become the dominant language of
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Source about Ghaznavid is not fake. And also everything in the middle. If you continue to call the Cambridge University sources and other sources listed as "not reliable" then you simply label yourself as a POV pusher. Shah İsmail was Turk, Accepted view in the everywhere world is like this. You can
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This citation was published by Peter B. Golden in researchgate. I went through the scholar and couldn't find any statement that clearly says that the founder of Safavi order was Kurdish. Citation was published in 1992, I was unable find any information that suggest it was edited in 2002. Even in his
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I was alerted that someone had changed all of the male pronouns to female. So I changed back, her to his, she to he, girl to boy, daughter to son. The problem is that in some passages it's not clear which is correct as a few of the people were female. Any knowledgeable person who can read through
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The article is disingenuous, claiming Ismail I was Kurdish is like claiming Queen Elizabeth is German, sure there is some German descent in the family tree but she is the Queen of Great Britain... there seems to be some confusion or purposeful attempts at trying to deceive readers here. Ismail I may
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Hello all, judging from the ridiculous arguments in the talk section put forward by people influenced by extreme ideologies I would like to let everyone know that articles like this, and many Iran and Greater Iran related topics, are under constant attack by vandals. Vandals which cite sources, many
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on the declaration to include this sentence at the moment, as I haven't been able to find any independent RS coverage (or any coverage at all, for that matter) of the declaration. This concern is amplified by the fact that this article is not directly related to the Azerbaijani government, and that
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What do you mean by “and”? What is the point of having that information then? If its not about legacy then what is it? You’re contradicting yourself. Please come up with other arguments other than “you dont like it”. Mind you, articles are supposed to be neutral, we dont follow revionism here. Lets
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Ismail was also a prolific poet who, under the pen name Khaṭāʾī (which means "he who made a mistake" or "he who was wrong" in Persian), contributed greatly to the literary development of the Azerbaijani language. He also contributed to Persian literature, though few of his Persian writings survive.
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To suggest otherwise is not scientific. Also Shah İsmail was Turk because he was born in Turkish city Ardabil. Ardabil's the entire population is completely Turk. Also Shah İsmail was famous for commitment to Turkish culture and govern with Turkish culture. Shah İsmail prased The Turks in own poems
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Please read other sources not bring citation from Iranica as I already questioned reliability of this source. I have mentioned source from Iranicaonline which in this case is questionable and not enough to give statement that family descendant was Kurdish as other sources doesn't underpin this as a
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The third theory: Safavid family was pure Arian yet they speak Azeri Turkish. This statement made by Kasravi, however, I would like mentioned that he was working during Shah Reza Pahlavi, which tried to justify Iranians to be pure Ayranians and also include Azeris to this list. Hence, statement may
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First theory: He refers to Firuzshah the first member of Safavid family which we have historical data/information. Book refers that Firuzshah migrated from Yemen this is indication of arab origin of the family. In fact, Safavi family considered themselves as "Ahli Beyt" in this case this gives link
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In that case there's already a week consensus to remove them. I'm waiting for a reasonable counter argument from the user in question. If none is put forward, I'll simply proceed with removing all the diacritics, as they're not common in the sources either (not that they have not been used at all,
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My friend stating that it is not reliable source doesn't means that you are right. You are just another user like me. I have checked RS requirements and this source fulfils all of them. Moreover, the topic related to Feyzullah mirza Qajar is different which I will come back to it later. Firstly, I
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What? You added the citation "An Abridged edition of the "STORIA DO MOGOR " of Niccolao Manucci, translation by William Irvine, THE NEGOTIATIONS FAIL page 19"? That's not RS. Also, there's a reason sevral users are reverting you. Reach consensus instead of trying to force your edits. What you have
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As I have already said, there are many words borrowed from Persian to Azerbaijani (as any other language borrowed from any other language), in fact, let me feed your ego: there are many Persian loanwords in these books that aren't even currently in use in Azerbaijani. The undeniable fact is, these
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is an Arabic word borrowed both by Persian and Azerbaijani. As there are many words borrowed from Arabic to Persian, there are also many Persian words borrowed to Azerbaijani, including numerals such as Dah. This is another poor argument: you can't just completely ignore whole content of the books
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Shah Ismail Khatai was one of the first notable persons in the history to use Azerbaijani language in literature, with his notable works including 1400 verses and books such as "Nasihatname" and "Dahname" in Azerbaijani language. Also he was born, lived most of his life and died in Azerbaijan, and
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Shah Ismail was a definitely Turk. Accepted view in the everywhere world is like this. Already himself wrote Turkish poems and in Turkish culture. And his ethnic origin was Azerbaijani Turkish, he was born in Turkish city Ardabil. Ardabil's the entire population is completely Turk. How then he was
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My friend, I don't want to be rude. I am MSc from Imperial College London and I do believe that my English basics are very well. I analyses sources and read referred books and didn't find any statement that says the Safavid family descendants of Kurdish origin. I read all these three books none of
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There's no need to repeat it twenty more times, and the sources appear to use the normal spelling more frequently as it was demonstrated through an online search, which encompasses books written by Western scholars. Also, I felt the need to point out that I was here for a long time in response to
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I'm not irrendist. Your activity breaks the rules of neutrality, as you always stay on the one side of the perspective. Let's get this straight -- our point of views are not fueled by/from state propaganda. The Safavid Order was proven to be of Azerbaijani (also called Turcoman) multiple times in
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Again, as i said to your countryman above, Knowledge goes with consensus, therefore, if you can gain consensus for including Shah Ismail's name in Azerbaijani language, then it's perfectly fine for me (and if i'm the only one who disagree with that point, then go ahead and include his Azerbaijani
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Stating that "North and South Azerbaijanis may have difficulty understand each other" is like saying Londoners cannot understand New-Yorkers. I've seen the edit, couldn't find a source. Both people can understand each other 100%. Of course there are differences in pronunciation (just like how the
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Kurdish root of Ismail have presented in only one historical resource but many others are rejecting this claim. I think, the most valuable resource about identity of Ismail is his "divan". He used to so pure Turkish in his divan. The only one claim can not be acceptable for mark him as "Kurdish.
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According to the Gumilyov L. (Bosphere and Etnogenesis of the Earth, Moscow, 2001) Shah ismail has purely turkic origin and his native language was Azerbaijani turkish. Therefore, He wrote in Azerbaijani turkish. Dear TAJIK, You have written that According to Minorsky Shah Ismail was bilingual at
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Why do you keep mentioning Safavid Empire and its official language, when the article is not about the Safavid Empire but about Shah Ismail Khatai, who was not just a founder of Safavid Empire who started his glorious campaign at home in Azerbaijan, but also a poet who mainly wrote in his mother
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I asked you to discuss the changes you were performing on the talk page before performing the same change. Care to explain why you removed the source from Britannica, and "A History of Asia: Formations of Civilizations, From Antiquity to 1600" and instead replaced it with "Xoндeмиp, 'т.III, ч.4,
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You are writing (spamming) in a section made in 2013, seriously, what are you doing? Also, what you are saying is clearly wrong, anyone with basic English-speaking abilities can see that. Don't remove sourced information again, and stop spamming so many talk pages with your personal theories and
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Conclusion, As you can see all references used to justify the origin of family was Kurdish doesn't state anything directly and clearly says that the origin is obscure. However, most articles in Knowledge related to Safavid dynasty mention Safavids being Kurdish without any hesitation, which puts
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Roemer, H.R. (1986). "The Safavid Period" in Jackson, Peter; Lockhart, Laurence. The Cambridge History of Iran, Vol. 6: The Timurid and Safavid Periods. Cambridge University Press. pp. 214, 229 | Blow, David (2009). Shah Abbas: The Ruthless King Who Became an Iranian Legend. I.B. Tauris. p. 3 |
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Nobody deleted sourced content, the Romanization (or rather strict transliteration) from the lede, or the wikilinks, so get your facts straight. All I did was removing the diacritics; that's it. As HistoryofIran pointed out, having the strict transliteration only once in the lede is sufficient.
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It is true but he is not Turk. So called Iranian Azaris are Iranic remnants in Iranian Azerbaijan which survived from 13-15th centuries Turco-Mongol conquests. Azerbaijanis are Turks of Azerbaijan region. We dont identify ourselves as azeri, who does this is not Turk, is not one of us, can not
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And what are the odds of the high-priest of a religion marring a woman from another faith (even today in the 21st century)? And then the wife goes to a Muslim country and builds churches and promotes Christianity! Do you know what kind of Shia bashing excuses it would have given to the Sunni
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applies here. First of all, the manual of style is a guideline and not a policy, so there's no need to strictly follow it. In fact, many pages don't. Persian speakers use the Arabic alphabet while writing words down but the pronunciation varies drastically. In your edit summary you mentioned
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The text in the article now states that he was bilingual 'at birth'. Did he start speaking two different languages the moment he came out of his mother? If so, she might have been somewhat distressed. I think what is meant is either "his household was bilingual" or "he grew up bilingual".
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have had a Japanese descendant 13 generations back! trying to connect a descendant 13 generations back and link it directly to current ethnicity is simply ridiculous and quite laughable. Over the course of 2-3 generations a persons nationhood and sense of identity can completely change.
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Shafi'i of Sah Hatayi his was called on "Piri Turk" / "Turkish Piri". therefore was Kurdish descent or Shah İsmail Khatai nibs, was underestimated and flouted the identity of the Arab, Kurd and Persian in the face of Turkish identity in own council therefore was Kurdish descent?(!)
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If you come to conclusion that the theory is insane then you must think why a so called historian has put it forward as a historical fact! Fortunately the genetic science can solve these puzzles soon! For the time being we need to rely on the good old method of analogical logic.
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Reference about king palace was speaking Turkish language : A PEPYS OF MOGUL INDIA l653-1708 BEING AN ABRIDGED EDITION OF THE "STORIA DO MOGOR " OF NICCOLAO MANUCCI TRANSLATED BY WILLIAM IRVINE (ABRIDGED EDITION PREPARED BY MARGARET L. IRVINE), THE NEGOTIATIONS FAIL page 19
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fact. Iranicaonline is not reliable source. And please also stop making your comments personal ! I am trying to make a healthy discussion here not fight. If you have solid reasoning you are welcome, but attacking me and my competency is not way how we discuss things here.
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shows way more hits for Ismail I than Ismā'īl I, so your argument that the latter is more common does not hold up. And the articles about other Persian kings do not contain any of the diacritics that are being utilized here, so there's the lack of consistency as well.
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I am interested to know if people now feel that this concern has been resolved. Neither the lede nor the infobox now mention Ismail's Kurdish ancestry, and other parts of the article only mention that he had Kurdish ancestors as well as ancestors of other ethnicities.
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Depressing though the condition in the country may have been at the time of the fall of Safavids, they cannot be allowed to overshadow the achievements of the dynasty, which was in many respects to prove essential factors in the development of Persia in modern times.
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Depressing though the condition in the country may have been at the time of the fall of Safavids, they cannot be allowed to overshadow the achievements of the dynasty, which was in many respects to prove essential factors in the development of Persia in modern times.
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birth. Firstly, It must be shame for all of us, to say about Shah Ismail bilingual. Secondly, the Idea of Minorsky cannot be used here as a criteria. Therefore, I delete "Minorsky". Shah Ismail HAS TURKISH DIVAN and everybody knows that it was his native language.
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Shah Ismayil Khatai's grandfather was Uzun Hasan Hasan. Uzun Hasan was the ruler of the Aggoyunlu state, how can it be that someone whose father and grandfather are Turks becomes a Persian or a Kurd?Please correct it. Shah Ismayil Khatai is the Shah of Azerbaijan
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Thank you very much for reading this. just want to mention that I spent my 4 hours to write above statement, checking all sources one by one, in order to avoid being bias due to my nationality and sensitivity to this topic. Looking forward for your comments.
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Alborz is right. Khatai in Shah Ismail's writings refers to Khatai people not sinner. Ismail claimed to be infallible, shadow of god, and the hidden Imam how could he be a sinner? I spoke to a professor that teaches this subject and this is what she told me.
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You can try to mislead people who have no historical knowledge by forcibly making them "Turk" while this goes against all scientific studies (i posted a few of these scientific studies just above), but you cannot change historical facts. Azerabaijanis are a
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The Safavid Shahs who ruled Iran between 1501 and 1722 descended from Sheikh Safi ad-Din of Ardabil (1252-1334). Sheikh Safi and his immediate successors were renowned as holy ascetics Sufis. Their own origins were obscure; probably of Kurdish or Iranian
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The Safavid Shahs who ruled Iran between 1501 and 1722 descended from Sheikh Safi ad-Din of Ardabil (1252-1334). Sheikh Safi and his immediate successors were renowned as holy ascetics Sufis. Their own origins were obscure; probably of Kurdish or Iranian
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I even can send you a link to download this book or you can find it by yourself in google. This is publication of university of California Library and there are tons of reference to this book, and you are stating that it is not reliable source?
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Thanks for your comment. If you thing it is POV you can go the reference book which is published by University of Cambridge. I am more than happy to discuss it and solve. This this main reason why I have opened this session here in "Talk" tab.
1914:). I've already reported you to an admin, and I'm not interested in taking further part in this. DON'T remove sourced information, and DON'T try to pov push. WAIT for consensus before you edit. DON'T writer on my talk page. Thanks and bye. --
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to Persia and India. He followed Bellomont through Asia Minor to Persia, and from Persia to India, meeting with many adventures by sea and land. The sudden death of his master near Hodal, in 1656, left Manucci friendless in a strange land.
5291:, Ismail I also fluently spoke Persian. Safavid historian Minorsky states that the question of the language used by Shah Ismail is not identical with that of his race or of his "nationality". Orientalist Hinz came to the conclusion that
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Seems like you also involved, so please justify why you removed my note Shah Ismael's name in Azerbaijan and why you mention my edits as RV to create fake illusion that I am vandalizing or doing edit war? Is this fair way of discussion?
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My friend. In a respect to you and our time since I haven't got any consolidated answer from your side regarding my source being fake, could you please confirm that you we mutually agree on this subject so I can proceed with the change.
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As Persians of Kurdish ancestry and of a non-tribal background, the Safavids did not fit this pattern, though the state they set up with the assistance of Turkmen tribal forces of eastern Anatolia closely resembled this division in its
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As Persians of Kurdish ancestry and of a non-tribal background, the Safavids did not fit this pattern, though the state they set up with the assistance of Turkmen tribal forces of eastern Anatolia closely resembled this division in its
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before 1524. Iraq was annexed by Ottoman Empire in 1534 , ten years after Ismail's death. So there was no conquest and reconquest of Iraq from Ottoman Empire. In fact, Ismail conquered Iraq from Murat Bey of Akkoyunlu Turkmens in 1508
4677:. We should provide every information we have. You're clearly reverting it because you don't like it or you don't want to see his legacy in Azerbaijan. Please give better arguments instead of your own opinions, claims or slanders.--
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Historian Bosworth explains: "In fact with the adoption of Persian administrative and cultural ways the Ghaznavids threw off their original Turkish steppe background and became largely integrated with the Perso-Islamic tradition."
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It is funny that most of you Pan-Turkists gets a false informations and eductions that you think "Khatai" is a surname while it is a word/term, Ismael has mocked the Turks according to the Qizilbash Writer: Eskander Beg Turkoman
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Thanks for comment. Could you please give more clarification why do you thing that the source I provided is not reliable. This is memories/chronicles that was written by Niccolao Manucci during his visit to Iran and India.
1748:"Ismail was born to Martha and Shaykh Haydar on July 17, 1487 in Ardabil. His father, Haydar, was the sheikh of the Safaviyya Sufi order and a direct descendant of its Kurdish founder, Safi-ad-din Ardabili (1252–1334).".
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Ismail was born to Martha and Shaykh Haydar on July 17, 1487 in Ardabil. His father, Haydar, was the sheikh of the Safaviyya Sufi order and a direct descendant of its Kurdish founder, Safi-ad-din Ardabili (1252–1334).
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I didn't understand your "Aliyev regime" word. It is not "opinion" of authoritian rulers. His works were declaring as state property because he contributed to literary development of Azerbaijani language. There is
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tongue, in Azerbaijani language. So adding his name in Azerbaijani is just paying tribute to his mother language that he used mainly in his works and generally, in his life (it was his mother tongue for God's sake).
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Where are the sources to confirm that the Safavid state that Ismail founded would inevitably lead to conflict between clergy and nobility? What religious leaders? This paragraph should be removed or substantiated.
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Shah Ismayil was born in the city of Ardabil. He is of Turkish origin. He had his own Azeri Turkish. He wrote many works in this language. There is no evidence that he is a Kurd. All this shows that he is a Turk.
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If you will read, Persia The Shah's banquet Interview with 'Azamat-ud-daulah, his reply on behalf of the King Negotiations fail, part from book you will see that resource is true and can be used as a reference.
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Shah Ismayil Khatai is an Azerbaijani Turk, there are many articles about it, but you deny it. Shah Ismayil Khatai's grandfather was Uzun Hasan, one of the rulers of Uzun Hasana Aggoyunlu state and Azerbaijan
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Roger M. Savory. "Safavids" in Peter Burke, Irfan Habib, Halil Inalci :History of Humanity-Scientific and Cultural Development: From the Sixteenth to the Eighteenth Century", Taylor & Francis. 1999. p.
5177:. Just so that you know, I don't take pride in being here for a decade, and I'm not above the rules. I was stating that what I did was neither vandalism nor an experiment. The matter appears to be settled.
4059:, just like Anatolian Turks who are mainly a people of Armenian/Greeks descent who speak Turkish. I would suggest you to read reliable sources instead of trying to spread a Pan-Turkish propaganda. Regards.
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Just a remark, the titles of the above works from Ismail (Nasihatname and Dahname or rather Dehname) are in Persian, not in Azerbaijani, this alone gives a quite clear perspective. Regards.
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done is clearly not an improvement, and smells of pov-pushing. Also, you might wanna read the name of the users in the edit summary, as it was me who reverted you recently, not that IP. --
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Savory, Roger M.; Karamustafa, Ahmet T. (1998) ESMĀʿĪL I ṢAFAWĪ. Encyclopaedia Iranica Vol. VIII, Fasc. 6, pp. 628–636 | Ghereghlou, Kioumars (2016). ḤAYDAR ṢAFAVI. Encyclopaedia Iranica
4130:. Reading this discussion and my interaction with this user I see that he is not neutral against Azerbaijani users and always takes side of Persian users. I will raise it to discussion.
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The sad thing is that your response was directed at me and my beliefs, instead of the topic. Also, me being a Pan-Turkist Irrendist (which I'm, not) has nothing to do with this topic
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So adding his name in Azerbaijani is just paying tribute to his mother language that he used mainly in his works and generally, in his life (it was his mother tongue for God's sake)
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Welcome back. Please justify whey you think descendant of Safavid family is Kurdish. All references provided saying it is Kurdish, doesn't say and uses word of obscure or "may" be.
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Forth Theory: Velid Zekki Togan re-examination of Kasravis work stated that the origins of Safavids family "may" have ties to Mamlan Vahsuda, the Ravvadi prince of Kurdish origin.
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Tsutsiev, Arthur. "18. 1886–1890: An Ethnolinguistic Map of the Caucasus". Atlas of the Ethno-Political History of the Caucasus, New Haven: Yale University Press, 2014, pp. 48–50
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One look at the location of Trebizond on the map and its distance from Ardabil in Iran is enough to question the sanity of such claims. Use the Google map to check it yourself!
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Ghaznavid Dynasty (Viz language of palace) and other aristocracy, and Ghaznavid army was Turkic speaker. Persian was just official language of correspondence in Ghaznavid.
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I added the physical appearance of the Shah as a separate paragraph. Didn't want to mingle on the Origin, or the Life paragraph. My edits are being examined by my mentor
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between south and north Azerbaijani language. Sorry to tell you that, but your opinion and the opinion of your relatives from Iranian Azerbaijan are not relevant here.
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Ottomans and 80% of the Iranian population that were Sunnis at the time? They would write 1000s of books about it and would burn the entire Shia community to death!
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Moreover, I can add another reference from Roger Savory "Iran Under the Safavids". In page 2 he refers several sources. Let me give brief information what he wrote:
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Yetdükçe tükenir Arab'un kuy u meskeni,/Bağdat içinde her nice TÜRKMAN kopar.//Şirvan halaiki kamu Tebriz'e daşına/Mülk-i Acem sorar ki, kıyamet kaçan kopar?'
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Shah Ismayil Khatai and Yavuz Sultan Selim's talks were in Turkish They spoke Turkish because their roots were Turkish. There are several articles about this
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Looking forward for more constructive negotiation. I don't want it to turn edit war as I am trying to justify my edit in a proper way with references.
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You should spend more time researching and less time ranting. All of these books state that John IV's daughter Theodora married Usun Hasan.
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Shah Ismael was Shah of Iran not Persia. Why when I read wikipedia it states as him Shah of Persia?? I suggest to delete it. My source is
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Just took a look at the citation, and to no surprise it showed clear signs of revisionism nonsense, it even claims Persian poets such as
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Would suggest you to read a little more about geopolitics kid and keep in mind that your POV in only your POV and is not considered as a
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I have objection to below statement, as I see a tendency last 7 years trying to make Shah Ismael Kurdish, which I would like to justify.
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Why would anyone do such a thing?! Can anyone explain? I recently studied Safavids so I'll look into this issue when I get a chance. --
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If by several editors, you mean yourself and an ambiguous IP from Ahvaz, Khuzestan, then I would say, let's wait more. Regards. --
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I would just like to extend my thanks to all colleagues who edit and improve this article, and your co-operation with my mentoree
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Agreed, macrons are very rarely used in Wiki and I so no reason to add it here besides when romanizing a name in the lede.
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The Aliyev regime claiming everything from Armenia to Iran as 'theirs' (Ganjavi, etc) has nothing to do with his legacy. --
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This article totally ignores that Ismail I grew up in a Turkmen/Turk sphere of influence, his grandfather married into the
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All this is your biased POV IP user from Baku, nothing of what you said is true and supported by the scientific sources.
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You want scientific? Why would Mahmud have his victories publicized in Persian if he himself did not speak Persian? -- "
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I did my best but could not find the Doerfer's article about the meaning of Khatā'ī . I think it may also be related to
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Baghdad and the holy Shi'a shrines of Najaf and Karbala were seized from the Ottoman Turks, lost and reconquered again.
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Working independently, the Iranian historian A.Kasravi and Z.V. Togan concluded the Safavids were Kurdish in origin.
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In 1514 the Portuguese captured Hormuz and built a fort. For more than a century the island remained Portuguese...
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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a
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nonsense in one talk page section. Seems its that time of the year again.
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Disingenuous article, totally ignores Ismail I's Turk/Turkmen identity
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Seriously. Ghanavids spoke Persian. Your continued nonsense of, "
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Sen ey Türk-i peri peyker/Thou fairy-bodied, angel Shapely Turk!
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I hope you can add all of these information in the article.
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c.570-571, 599-601, Шapaф-xaн Бидлиcи, т.ц c.169"? Best, --
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The Safavid dynasty, in all likelihood of Kurdish origin...
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please change ((Persian)) to ((Persian language|Persian))
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Yet again, your personal opinion has been proven wrong by
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in order to avoid further misconceptions in the future.
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text on talk pages, edit-warring, using links that fail
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Persia in Crisis:Safavid Decline and the Fall of Isfahan
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Diplomatic relations with Mamluks of Egypt and Venice.
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