Talk:Israeli occupation of the West Bank/Archive 9

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IDF provided special security escorts for Jews to visit religious sites in Area A of the West Bank, particularly Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus – a site of religious significance to Jews, Christians, and Muslims. Some Jewish religious leaders said this policy prevented Jewish Israelis from freely visiting several Jewish religious sites in the West Bank, such as Joseph’s Tomb, because they were denied the opportunity to visit the site on unscheduled occasions or in larger numbers than may be permitted through IDF coordination. IDF officials said that requirements to coordinate Jewish visits to Joseph’s Tomb were needed to ensure Jewish Israelis’ safety. For example, the IDF escorted buses carrying hundreds of Jewish Israelis for overnight visits to Joseph’s Tomb on October 9 and 19. The IDF clashed with Palestinian protesters from the nearby Balata refugee camp during these and other visits. On November 8, PA police briefly detained four Jewish Israelis for attempting to visit Joseph’s Tomb without coordinating with Israeli or Palestinian authorities. The PA police transferred the four Israelis to IDF custody.

2013:[Update after one week on hold: No answer from the nominator and no improvement in the meantime. In any case, the required work to bring this article to GA standard is probably way too high to be done while on hold. To sum up, beside the sheer long size, the article lacks the required focus. For instance, there's one section "Legal status", one subsection "Legal status" (under "Settlement") and one subsection "Legal system" under "Territorial fragmentation and domination over the Palestinians" that cover inter-related (if not identical) topics that could be merged and summarized into one "Legal status" section. There were also issues with verifiability + some primary sources that should be replaced by secondary RS. (I also mentioned in the above rating template that the overall tone also gave me a feeling of a lack of neutrality but I'm not an expert in this domain so another reviewer may have another opinion on this.) I thank the nominator for their work on this topic of extreme importance. I hope the article will soon be nominated again and succeed. 1913:

followed by "The West Bank in 1967" (describing us the wonderful situation of Palestinians in the West Bank back then, I don't get what the sentence "Education was (and remains) a high priority," has to do with the topic for instance). A more neutral structure of the article could be: "Historical background", "Six-Day War and conquest", "Legal status" (both under domestic Israeli law + international law and recognition by foreign countries), "Socio-economic impact", and "Human rights and humanitarian issues".

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in the editwarrior's armoury. (e) The weird idea you have that Zangwill is anachronistic because apartheid didn't formally exist in institutional terms reflects a failure to read (i) Zangwill and (ii) what secondary sources, including Peteet, say about him, Israel and apartheid. Zangwill likened what

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What do you mean, with just 700 edits (your familiarity with wiki), by stating a'group (is) in charge of this article, and that they conduct a 'group revert policy'. Normally, if an edit is challenged, one goes to the talk page top justify it. You, with a minimum of experience of wikipedia, made your

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Yes, shouldn't have added that clause, was moving too fast. The question is how that section can be presented in a more NPOV way and included in a way that makes it relevant to the occupation, the latter of which I'm not seeing. Israel would make robust use of targeted killings regardless of whether

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I don't see how this is SYNTH since are you pointed out peteet makes this connection. Based on your response it sounds like your issue is with the choice of citing peteet's work, not that the deleted section has nothing to do with the occupation. In that case I suggest we revert the change and add a

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The Israeli government continued to prohibit Israeli citizens in unofficial capacities from traveling to the parts of the West Bank under the civil and security control of the PA (Area A). While these restrictions in general prevented Jewish Israelis from visiting several Jewish religious sites, the

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The article is currently 115kB of readable prose, so it is a little beyond ideal length. However, it is also a substantial topic and currently meticulously cited. It would definitely be worth waiting for the input on the authors on what, if any, material could be reasonably be thematically split out

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Individuals with Israeli citizenship, regardless of other nationality, including U.S. citizenship, must enter and depart Israel using their Israeli passports in accordance with Israeli law. Due to a passport backlog, Israeli citizens are temporarily allowed to enter and depart Israel on non-Israeli

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passive verbs in these sentences? They reduce clarity, obfuscate detail, and remove attribution—none of which you want in a highly controversial article. "Attempts have been made" by who? "Such difficulties have given rise to anxieties"—by "such difficulties" is it just the unspecified attempts, or

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Under the "land seizure mechanisms" section, the article says, "Thirdly, land temporally abandoned during the 1967 was deemed absentee property came under trusteeship, but since Israel rarely allows refugees to return." The sentence is missing a part, "Thirdly, land temporally abandoned during the

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noted, is contrafactual. (c) With that wake-up call you came back saying Peteet, a competent academic, got the history wrong, i.e. you know better than she does about the topic.(d) You come up with that old hare, the 'cherrypicked' quotation. All quotations are 'cherrypicked' when their content is

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is used (going to "Notes"). Instead, sfn could be used everywhere, with the quote in "loc=p. PAGENUMBER: "QUOTE"." (if the quote is really needed). If possible, it would be ideal to cite secondary academic sources that mention B'Tselem's reports instead of citing B'Tselem reports directly, even if

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This section needs to include two parts: one on the viewpoint that the media is biased against the Palestinian side & one on the viewpoint that the media is biased against Israel. Currently it only includes bias against Palestine, which does not accurately represent the complexity of the media

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The section on "settlement" has a lot of details. I propose moving these details to the main article on settlements and keeping the most important points related to maintaining the occupation. I would leave the "settler violence" and "legal status" section unchanged, although a reviewer suggested

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Thanks for starting this review, but I'm not sure the 6k in notes counts towards the word limits here, but I can see what can be reduced from there. Ive knocked out a bit of the lead, but Im not really sure where youre seeing much extraneous material in the body. Most of the sections have already

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Jews would involve "race redistribution". It's Peteet who claims that this is redolent of South Africa, which is a ridiculous comparison given that South Africa was the governing power and the Zionists were not. So first, the paragraph is a gross misrepresentation of Zangwill's words and intent.

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recommends a size of 100kb. Additionally its not as easy to follow. Much has been said in news sources about the impact of the Israeli occupation, but we don't have an article that covers that in a straightforward way. My proposal is to take some of the material in this article, along with newly

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on a personal basis (a) 'subjects' is absurd. People are 'subject to' the law, not 'subjects' (with its nuance of royalty) of the law; (c) Writing:' Palestinian National Authority limited to scattered enclaves and are subject to martial law'. Do you realize that this implies that the Palestinian

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SYNTH is connecting it to the occupation, the subject of this article. This implies that from the onset Zangwill and others were looking at apartheid South Africa as inspiration. Which, of course, is flatly not true, given that apartheid South Africa wouldn't exist for decades. Peteet's article

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I don't know for this one. While, the article is well-sourced using mostly high-quality RS, the overall layout gives me a feeling of lack of neutrality favoring the Palestinian side. For instance the titles of the sections. Also I don't get why the article starts with "Media coverage and bias"

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passports until December 31, 2023. Israeli citizens are prohibited from using the Allenby/King Hussein Bridge crossing. They are also prohibited from entering Gaza and are generally prohibited from traveling to parts of the West Bank under PA control (Area A), to include Bethlehem and Jericho.

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has argued that Israeli "journalists and publishers see themselves as actors within the Zionist movement, not as critical outsiders". The growth of the Internet has introduced controversy regarding images of dead or wounded Palestinians, with some proven to be fake and many more alleged to be

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The sentence "In 1956, the Israeli leader David Ben-Gurion stated that: "Jordan has no right to exist. The territory to the West of the Jordan should be made an autonomous region of Israel".", which is supposedly based on · Slater, Jerome (1994). "The Significance of Israeli Historical

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I think the (il)legality of the occupation itself is important to at least mention in the lead; since this is an international conflict, international law matters. Just as the international law status is mentioned for other international conflicts and practices that are considered to violate

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favoring the Palestinian side. For instance the titles of the sections. Also I don't get why the article starts with "Media coverage and bias" followed by "The West Bank in 1967" (describing us the wonderful situation of Palestinians in the West Bank back then, I don't get what the sentence

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It is erratically uninformed to assert any material referring to incidents prior to 1967 are to be excised on sight when articles like this naturally outline the background. (b) you took out a paragraph referenced to Peteet claiming the source did not make the connection there, which, as

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has argued that "the climate of intimidation and censorship surrounding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is real and longstanding". has attempted to silence critics of Israeli policies in the territories, giving rise to anxieties that the political pressures undermine academic

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Additionally the material changed is just factually wrong. Palestinians in Area A and B are still subject to martial law whenever the IDF declares so. All of the West Bank remains under the Israeli Ministry of Defense's control, the "administrational control" notwithstanding.

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Part of the feedback from the GA review was that the article was too long. I agree it is long, although I'm not sure its "too" long. In any case, I think it's worth it to at least discuss how to incorporate this feedback. Here is my high level list of proposed changes:

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A more neutral structure of the article could be: "Historical background", "Six-Day War and conquest", "Legal status" (both under domestic Israeli law + international law and recognition by foreign countries), "Socio-economic impact", and "Human rights and humanitarian

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Following this, we have a long discussion of differing viewpoints ("International usage ... for Palestinians "dispossession"".) Firstly, and most importantly, this potentially controversial/challengeable sentence is not supported by an inline citation. Then, there are

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Details from the subsections in "Territorial fragmentation and domination over the Palestinians" can be moved to the main articles. We can just present the main points in these subsections. I think we can cut this section down by half while still preserving the main

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Think this still needs tightening and some chopping but no not splitting. Child articles always welcome, but this as a top level article on the occupation is going to be large, just as a function of how much time, which equates to how much material, it has to cover.

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The quotes "This characterization has been further refined by classifying the conflict as structurally asymmetric,…" and the quote “A continuity has often been observed between t e Realpolitik processes governing the creation of Israel..." sound too technical to

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How are cherry-picked quotations from the Yishuv period, before Israel was even in existence, related to actions by the state of Israel after it gained territories during a war? Are there RS that link these quotations to the occupation? Otherwise this is pure

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I am ready to engage in a discussion with the group in charge of this article. I still wait for your responses regarding to your group revert policy, especially I want your justification to have a constructive and balanced appreciation of what is going on

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Yes, nowhere does that say there is a NPOV issue. And proposing a different organization is fine to do, but that does not at all justify a NPOV tag. What, specifically, is the NPOV dispute? Absent an answer Ill be removing that tag as unfounded.

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it is not true that targeted assassinations are "almost exclusively in Gaza". Quite a lot since 1967 have been in the West Bank, especially during the intifadas, and there have been many even in the past few months. The topic obviously belongs.

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changes, then threw down a gauntlet to an imagined collective, asking 'them' to justify themselves. This is somewhat eerie practice. For example the page was written in British English and you prefer Amnerican spelling. For example, you rewrote:

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For the moment, I will revert your changes, because they are erratic. Since you have little experience with wikipedia, I suggest you make your proposals here first, to get a handle on some of the pointless confusions several of your additions

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Is this not a good source? It details restrictions, it's titled: Israel and The Occupied Territories: Israel and The Occupied Territories – The Occupied Territories and talks of how Israel restricts the movements of different populations.

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On that note, I have no clue what this sentence means: "with digital forensics on social networks occasionally revealing problems with a few widely circulating images of dead Palestinians" what problems? I assume it means that some are

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The sentence "Each party has its preferred set of descriptive words." implies that a discussion of each party's descriptive words will follow. This happens, but only after a digression into (1) what term American mainstream coverage

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No, what should be mentioned are the things that sources about this topic talk about. What source connects restrictions on Israeli civilians traveling in territory outside of Israel to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank?

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Revisionism". In Stone, Russell; Zenner, Walter P. (eds.). Essays on Israeli Social Issues and Scholarship. Vol. 3. SUNY Press. pp. 179–199. ISBN 978-1-438-42140-7 seems to be wrong. This essay can be found here (

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You can see similar issues to the above in the final paragraph, in addition to tense issues ("who maintain fraudulence was natural for Palestinians and that images of their dead and wounded were generally

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edit which deletes a paragraph explaining the historical background on the connection with apartheid south africa. Specifically, in what sense does this have "nothing to do with the post1967 occupation"?

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The given review does not say there are any NPOV issues. You are required to substantiate the reason you have defaced this article with a NPOV dispute tag. If you are unable to do so it will be removed.

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The notes shouldn't be given as much value as the body, but they should still be a reasonable size (otherwise you could have 6,000 words of prose augmented by 30,000 words of notes). Incidentally,

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I very much would thank you, sorry I been sick with round 2 of Covid and then traveling for a bit, but I’m not giving up on this and would definitely appreciate all the pointers you can give.

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2. The sources cited in the deleted text. see for example Peteet, Julie (Winter 2016). "The Work of Comparison: Israel/Palestine and Apartheid". Anthropological Quarterly. 89 (1): 247–281.

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use, and (2) how many Britons knew about the occupation 22 years ago. Not entirely sure why this digression is located here, or whether either of the sentences needs to be in the article.

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for Palestinians but the opposite for Israelis) "terrorism" when Palestine-initiated but "retaliation" when Israel-initiated to support the idea that Israel does not instigate fighting.

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recommends that any article over 15,000 words be split or otherwise decreased in size. Let's have a look in-depth at the first section, since the lead is a work in progress.

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Dont actually think thats entirely true, it does need to be trimmed but the idea it needs lose 2/3 of the material is silly, we have plenty of GAs of comparable length, eg

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There was also a comment on an overreliance on primary sources. I think if we shift the sources to more secondary sources it would also reduce the length of the article.

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Gotcha, anyways this article needs a lot of work to get to good article standards. It would probably best to follow all of the recommendations the reviewer brought up.

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First of all what exactly is the meaning of "radical" in this context and what is the difference between "radical Sunni Islamist" and just regular "Sunni Islamist"?

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Toynbee's description is historical background on the occupation and associated territorial fragmentation. See for example Quigley, the question of palestine p. 21

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Perhaps the "collective punishment" section should be its own article? This section reads more like a human rights report than a subsection about the occupation.

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subject to martial law" ( obviously the Palestinians"), "on a personal basis" per referencing (because we talk about the law, and not a simplification of it). --

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Both Israeli and Palestinian local press coverage, reflecting the views of the political and military establishment, has traditionally been conservative.

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I would like to offer a better term as Jordan did not just occupied the west bank, they annexed it, making it a part of their country. (line 2) sources:

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that previously existed in South Africa when the country was still under all-white rule. The occupation has numerous critics in Israel itself, with some

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Your changes have been disputed, simply reverting them back in is not an acceptable tactic. I have no idea what you are responding to in your comment.

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by Palestinians but the opposite by Israelis), Israel terms violence "terrorism" when Palestine-initiated and "retaliation" when Israel-initiated.

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If Israeli is considered the occupying force and restricts the movement of certain populations, then it should be mentioned. Do you not agree?

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Second, this not provide background to the current occupation, which began in 1967, because it is a POV and inaccurate read of history.

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Just increment the counter I think, doubt anybody will come to review it before I get a month or two to work on tightening it up.

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but the ideal may not be possible nor desirable depending on the topic. Still, it needs to be trimmed, focused, and re-organized.

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The "resources" section can be limited to points relating directly to the occupation, such as destruction of agricultural goods.

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that having a "legal status" subsection for settlements and one for the occupation is confusing (which I actually disagreewith).

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and a general lack of clarity—who is the "some" using "colonies" or "settlements"? Why is "pinpoint preventative operations" in

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Please change the phrase “Jewish settlements” to “Israeli Settlements” The Jews are not occupying palestine, the Israelis are.

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Peteet's opinion is used for one line, not the entire paragraph. In no way does this bless the entire paragraph as relevant.

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and increment the review counter so this review ends but you retain your original place in the GA queue. What do you think?

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I don’t object to keeping or removing the tag. Just wanted to point out that the reviewer did mention a neutrality issue.

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On a first reading of this article, it seems overly technical to me compared to other wikipedia articles. For example:

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Grammar issues: can you "closely report"? Why is "Campus Watch" both a third-person singular and a third-person plural?

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Organizations and academics have researched and monitored attitudes to the conflict in North American universities.

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is 80 kb in readable prose. This is currently at 113kb, so it needs to be trimmed, but certainly not to 40 kB.

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1967 was deemed absentee property came under trusteeship, but since Israel rarely allows refugees to return

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First step: trim this article, ideally to 6,000 words (40 kB), meaning cutting two thirds of the article.

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This is less than half the length of what previously ended the paragraph, and also eradicates numerous

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Palestinian universities fight back against Israel forcing international academics out of the country

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So with that in mind, we have two options. Either I fail this review, and you take this article to

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This isnt the article on Hamas, somebody wants more information on them they can click the link.

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Sources use the two interchangeably, and the settlements are nearly exclusively Israeli-Jewish.

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International usage speaks of the West Bank, whereas Israeli usage prefers "Judea and Samaria",

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international law. And the ICJ is going to rule on it soon, which makes it even more salient. (

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British grammar can be used, that's not the subject of your revert policy. Second part: "and

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please explain your edit summary: "this has nothing to do with the post-1967 occupation" for

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Hi, as the reviewer, I'm not sure the NPOV tag is needed, as I said in the review. Besides, @

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been reduced considerably and expanded in child articles. Can you clarify where youre seeing

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Assuming the new HR article stays up, then that should produce some further reduction here.

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I don't know for this one. While, the article is well-sourced using mostly high-quality RS,

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But Israelis are restricted in their movements as well. It violates NPOV not to mention it.

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Merging of "Early Economic impact of the occupation" with "Economic and social benefits..."

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KlayCax added "radical Sunni Islamist" in place of "Sunni Islamist" in the first sentence.

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would you like me to give similar in-depth recommendations for other parts of the article?

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The analysis isnt very explicitly presented in the first paragraph of “conquest” section.

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No, because those restrictions are not about the occupation. What that source says is

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instead. The link is also in the main article at the section 'The West Bank in 1967'.

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stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)

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What source connects that to the topic of the Israeli occupation of the West Bank?

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Some "cn" tags. I could not verify some statements that are sourced, for instance

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Seems to be a solid consensus here against the changes, and as such Ive reverted.

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Youre looking at the wrong source, that is Slater 1991, Slater 1994 is available

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I'll take this review. As a disclaimer, it'll be used for points in both the

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Do you agree? I can propose some simplifications of some of the text if so.

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That indeed gives me a lot to work with, thank you. Ill keep plugging away.

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Per the review given. I've added a link to the talk section of the review.

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or other places to try and improve it, or I can follow the instructions at

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Something more immediately fixable: criterion 1b) requires compliance with

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is used (going to the "References" section), while when there's a quote,

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Second do a majority of sources agree that Hamas meets that definition?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/Hashemite_custodianship_of_Jerusalem_holy_sites

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National Authority is the agency imposinbg martial law? etc.etc.etc. you

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1. the deleted discussion provides background on the current occupation

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reports and denounces what it consider "anti-Israeli" attitudes, while

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Why not simply write something (obviously much better sourced) such as:

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No, NPOV is determined by sources, not a Knowledge editor's feelings.

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I think Homerethegreat was referring to this section of the review:

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templates on this page, but the references will not show without a

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Again, how is Toynbee giving context to the post-1967 occupation?

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That is completely baseless, what specific NPOV issues are there.

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That does not relate the restrictions to the occupation at all.

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Yes, but they said they did not actually know if there is one.

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What sources do you have related to the topic of this article?

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Added, unfortunately that only made the article longer though.

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Why is that an improvement, especially with empty wadding like

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Fixed the typo. Thanks. Not sure how that worked it's way in.

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I choose the wrong talk page, I indicated it, my mistake --

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Adding a bit to lead and body, thanks for the suggestion.

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Move some details on the second intifada to that article.

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Its a big different when we talk about land disputes.

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tagging you for feedback here if you have a chance.

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Hope that proves helpful as to what I'm looking at,

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Just in case, this is how I might trim the section.

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