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Santiago. This is not particularly unusual. Some Maldonados in Spain are were actually originally MacDonalds. The incoming foreign name rapidly assimilated to a "similar" (to locals' ears and tongues) name from the region. My own surname, from the genealogical research & heraldry research I've done shows families and individuals converging on this name (and its more common but more recent McCandless spelling) from radically different sources (Cuindilis/Cuindlaes, dating to the 6th c. CE, and also yielding Irish names like Conlisk and Quinlish, on the one hand, and the anglicized name Cavendish on the other (which may have helped shift the name more toward the A and the D), which because of U/V confusion was sometimes rendered as Caundish, Mac Caundysh and even (in reference to the same 12th c. CE armigerous individual!) as Caund
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a variant of James/Jacob. (By way of analogy, see also the
American English variant - not too common, but well-attested - "Jaime" or "Jaimie"; in both spellings it is pronounced the same as "Jamie", "Jamey", etc., but the former spelling is obviously imported directly from Spanish Jaime which isn't
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one. Cf. "Jack" - originally a short form of "Jacob", it is now also (more like almost exclusively, in
English anyway) considered a short form of "John", and is properly listed at both names' Knowledge articles as diminutive forms of the name. Maybe Didacus did in fact devolve to Diego. But VERY
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Diego connection). Someone (properly) undid it but (improperly) replaced it with wild claims of an obscure Latin root. I undid that and went a subtler route, simply adding the name back into
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Please look over the changes and see if you have any suggestions, additions, removals, etc. I think the page is much more approachable and not as daunting. (I was curious if it was approrpiate to make a category for "People named James" and make sure everyone who WAS on this page is put in that
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British history, this ranks as one of the worst of the disambiguation pages. I am a democrat and don't care, but maybe some royalist will want to fix this up.
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