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Because the "Subject is not significant and does not warrant an article per notability requirements. There are no secondary sources that reference her, no news articles, nothing. This page uses the subject's own blog and personal website as a source but has no other sources. The page also appears to
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Thanks for your thoughts. I agree that it'd be great to have lots more details about her work, and invite others to contribute to expanding the article. I have two worries about separating 'career' and 'philosophy' in this case. First, I don't think we can clearly distinguish Pierce's 'career' from
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Ok, I've restructured it a little as suggested. I'm happy enough with it. There's lots of room for expansion with further details about what is argued in the books (or in Pierce's other works) in the philosophy section, but the chronology in the career section is solid.
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I'm very aware that I'm not doing the work here. I might have preferred the idea of separated sections but if the available material fits a single chronology better then I think that's what we should have -- whatever makes the article the best it can be.
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