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and is well documented and referenced in the linked article - Belfast Pogrom. On 21 July 1920 thousands of
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Alexander the Great and Erling Haaland, a super-talented Norwegian footballer born in 2000, but it was deleted, for some reason "citing a reliable source" was required, even though their wiki pages state this date of birth.
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