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Twitter" rant? If not, then you have no ground to stand on in attempting to remove that wording from this page and any other page that includes this incident.
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In my opinion its racist. In SiriusXM's opinion its racist. But who is the official judge of that is the issue. The purpose of the sentence is that SiriusXM felt it was racist so they fired him, what difference does it make if it actually was or was not? In my view its similar to how the article says
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calling them racist makes the author of the article you are citing the primary source not the secondary which you seem to think is all that matters. Even if 99.9999999999999% of the people who read his tweets think they are racist, it doesn't mean its a statement of fact. Since there is no governing
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Will someone please explain to me why Travis's new nickname of Dr. Gay (given to him when he entered into the studio when Opie and
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Give what up, attempting to have a
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Actually reading your source, it even says in it that "He insisted he was not racist, saying 'there is a deep seeded problem with violence in the black community' that no one talked about". So there is a case made in your source to prove its racist to say it isn't. Thats why it comes down to saying
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Still don't see a verified source for such nicknames as "SexE" or TStorm. I guess I'm not sure why the nicknames that are already here are OK, but the name Dr. Gay would be "challenged or likely to be challenged", unless the challenging was being done by someone who specificaly objected to the word
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Actually I'm suspending my bias in favour of service to the objectivity of the website. I personally think that Cumia was not a racist at all or even offensive, but many people believe it was completely racist and many more thought it was inappropriate and offensive. But is it 100%, completely and
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I'm not asking anyone else to do the research or anything, but am just not so sure how to frame the subject and was hoping to open a dialogue on what the best way to do that would be. And also hoping someone might have some good sources I could use to gather info. I've been collaborating youtube
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This article is missing a lot but one thing imparticular I'd like to add a section on is O&A's influence on stand up comedy and their relationship with certain stand up comedians. I'd like to focus on why their relationship with the stand up scene was unique, how it came to be (Norton was
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community or been called racist for it. Nowhere in his tirade did he say anything like "All black people are bad simply because they are black". Knowledge (XXG) is objective. You would need 2 describe 2 me clearly and concisely how you could prove it as racist. I'm not asking for much.
2282:"they are all reliable sources, and none of those links are opinion pieces; they are all factual news reports." Ooooh "factual news reports". So there's no liberal bias in reporting? Everything everyone says is factual? You're really grasping at straws. Give up. It's done, Rocky :).
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This sentence needs editing as it does not make sense: "Hughes gave some indication, however, when he told the Long Island press in 2006, "We went from having a show that was syndicated in 17 major markets to having a few thousand," which did not help to remove the discrepancy."
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