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I've altered the phrasing to allow for the possibility that Pindar's intended meaning was not that Apollo was indeed
Orpheus's father, and this also seems to be more in line with Gantz, p. 725, who only states that Pindar "appears" to call Orpheus Apollo's son. The main source for the parentage seems
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Thracian origin, already maintained by Strabo and Plutarch, has been adopted again by E. Rohde (Psyche), by E. Mass (Orpheus), and by P. Perdrizet (Cultes et mythes du PangĂ©e). But A. Boulanger has discerningly observed that âthe most characteristic features of Orphismâconsciousness of sin,
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Orpheus was a son of Oeagrus by the Muse Calliope is affirmed also by Ap. Rhod., Argon. i.23ff.; Conon 45; Tzetzes, Scholiast on Lycophron 831; the author of Contest 314; Hyginus, Fab. 14; and Scriptores rerum mythicarum Latini. ed. G. H. Bode, i. pp. 26, 90 ïŒFirst and Second Vatican
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Ammonius, wishing for the story to be consistentâŠjust asâŠthey say that kings are born from Zeus, not because kings are born of Zeus, but because people consider ruling to be from Zeus, in this way he said he was a lyre-player from Apollo; for the god is the leader of the art of
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Orpheus acquired Thracian attributes. Additionally, as
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Apollodorus, Oeagrus is the actual father, while Apollo is the "reputed" one. However, on Knowledge (XXG), we just convey what the sources say; it isn't our place to speculate on why they say those things. â
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Calliope as parents, but is not a god. At most, he is described as a demigod, but is mainly presented as mortal. I'm just curious about this, and a bit confused, if anyone can explain, please do.
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Whatever Pindar did mean in this case, Oiagros is clearly one early father, and
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