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Man, I'm glad you got sources for that, cause I didn't see it that way at all. It just looked to me like they were humanity's final bastions on a world otherwise overrun. I guess it makes more sense as a 'big reveal' that way, but I'm not seeing it as 'better.' I'm not oppossed to seeing it
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