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Lake Van is a notable lake because it's so deep and is very large for a salt lake. It would be good to be able to list some accurate measurements for the lake, such as depth, area, volume height above sea level, etc. There are quite a number of differing figures for these, so I thought compiling the
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If you could point out Greek places where the Ottoman place name is "not allowed to be included", please let me know. As a general rule, the Ottoman names should be given, as for example in
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Kempe, S. 1977. Hydrographie, Warven-Chronologie und Organische Geochemie des Van Sees, Ost-Türkei. Mitteilunger Geologisch-paläontologischen Institut der Universität Hamburg, 47, 125–228.
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