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Morgan ride catalogs). Even the early B&M catalogs say mega coaster, not hyper, yet eventually it caught on. As I mentioned when I changed the B&M page several weeks ago, we should attempt to consistently use definitions and terms that the manufacturers are using and avoid using "made-up" definitions if we want these pages to maintain an air of professionalism. As McDoob says, if other manufacturers start marketing coasters with term giga, then we can change it, but at the present time, no one other than
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any registered trademarks for it) I think it's more of a preference. Morgan and B&M didn't/don't want to use terms that tout another manufacturer's product. I think the early use of the word giga in early construction plans was just conjecture from enthusiasts. I looked at all the press releases from the park and I don't see any mention of the word "giga." Do we have any photograph evidence of this packaging that says giga?
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this article. I worked with this user to get some of the WindSeeker photos on
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obsessed with using this term. It will be a really big, fantastic coaster, it doesn't need extra hyperbole. And no, sending an e-mail is not too extreme. I'm sure we are all curious as to what they have to say. Next time I see Walter
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I think the plaque is pretty reliable. I haven't seen the plaque so I'm not sure how reliable looking it is though. I'm not sure where I stand on this, but if I was the final decision maker, I would call it a giga. I don't really get the whole who "coined" the term. The definition is any full circuit
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All the current pictures on this article are animated. The coaster is complete and I think we should add a least 2 pictures that show the actual coaster. On Flickr, there is a user who's name is "crobart". It appears he has taken a lot of nice pictures of the coaster that I think would be perfect for
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City newspapers are rarely a good source for amusement articles. I see incorrect information on a regular basis. The recent rash of disinformation regarding Kings Island's 40th anniversary is a perfect example. I'm not sure I would trust the park plaque on the coaster either. Both wood coasters have
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The point about anyone contacting B&M, either via mail or directly, is that it can't be used as a source for the edits here. Will it be good to hear it from them? Of course, but unfortunately it still wouldn't be good enough. The only thing that would, in my opinion, necessitate a change is when
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A hyper is any coaster over 200 feet. No one ever defined it as precisely between 200-299. It was actually made up by a reporter for ACE News back in 1989 and Kinzel liked it, and the park started using it. I don't think Arrow ever marketed any of those rides as hypers (I'll have to dig up the early
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Actually what it shows is that an "Education
Representative" (Krystin Diceman) at Canada's Wonderland is using that term. Possibly some intern, who got her information off the internet. I've yet to see anything from the marketing department that uses "giga." I'm really puzzled as to why you are so
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I wouldn't say the "coaster community at large" it seems to be mostly internet users (at least to me). None of my coaster friends think of this as a giga, and none of the industry trade publications are using that term. I don't think it's a matter of not being able to use the word (I haven't found
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Hello, my user name is Dom497. I will be one of the many users editing this page leading up to the opening and future of the ride. Because this ride was just announced and it is not yet open... please include at least one reference with every statement/sentence you add. If you do not, chances are
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I just wanted to throw it out there that I went to go ride
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I know the article is a bit unstable at the time, but just for a future note, maybe we could look into bringing the article to the GA level. We could use the layout that the Behemoth article uses as that article is already a Good Article. Am I looking at a complete fantasy or am I looking at a
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According to the Knowledge manual of style, the primary unit should be those used in the country the article is in. So I would agree, the primary unit should be metric. You might also check the source material, because I doubt the top speed is given as 148 km/h, it's more likely 150 km/h.
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bought the rights that no B&M invert could be built within 200 miles of Cedar Point. Wonderland was 198 miles away. When B&M called Cedar Fair they refused to allow Wonderland to build the ride so the roller coaster was sent to California Great America and Wonderland got a SLC.--
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I took a look at the milestone/constrution table in the article and noticed the dates listed are inaccurate. Me living right beside Wonderland know when each milestone was complete but that would obviously be original research. Therefore, I don't the think the table should be in the
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that states the drop is 306 ft. Obviously, there's not a lot of confirmation in the media or from the park itself, but there may be a good reason for that. If the two sources are correct about the height and drop being the same, then it actually makes sense that news reports
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as a secondary unit of measure. However, in all secondary newspaper sources (such as those cited in the articles), the metric unit of measure has been used instead. At this time I've implemented the statistics in imperial format, however, should this be changed to metric?
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Thanks — that's interesting! But to get back to Dom497's original question, the steel comes from Clermont Steel Fabricators in Ohio not from B&M. I'm sure the guys in Ohio are familiar with the term giga so that's what they decided to use when they tagged the steel
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A "definition" is the formal statement of the meaning of a word. If you think Giga has a formal and widely accepted definition of "a full circuit roller coaster between 300 and 399 feet" please cite a valid source (other than what enthusiasts and wikipedians have made
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Many of those pictures are nice but I think we should wait until the tunnel is put in and all the theming is done. Besides, there's snow in those pictures. There's nothing wrong with that but there will be better pictures in a week when the coaster opens for the first
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When were these photos put online? Did it happen to be after the blog post and the changes to this page? Even though you are semi-retired you still have the time to come out and complain about this article and its state. In future, please feel free to spend the time
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Hey guys! Well i'm just trying to help out as much as I can since I live very close to Canada's Wonderland, its been a part of my whole life. So if you need pictures or anything like that I'll be happy to send you some! And secondly, I figured that
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Just to comment on what Dom497 said, the packaging when the coaster was being built had labels that said it was a giga coaster. I think it confuses people when they see hyper because the definition of a hyper is a full circuit between 200-299.
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plaques on them that say they were built by PTC, but those plaques are incorrect. I'm still puzzled by the obsession with wanting to call this a giga and I have a feeling this discussion isn't going to end until it gets changed.
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for such an edit here. I agree that "giga" and such is pure marketeering and not terribly encyclopedic; frankly "hyper" isn't much better, but because so many market models under that name, it's made its way into the project.
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Wing Coaster has been on their website for several months now, they were advertising the Wing Coaster at the IAAPA trade show last November and it is in their printed ride catalog. The term Wing Coaster didn't just recently
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I kinda took hoped that we could find a reliable reference by the time a review is commenced. Oh well, better to play it safe (in the event the article is failed because of that one issue) than sorry.--
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and thus should not be included in the article until it is verified by a reliable source. I've left the model field in the infobox blank until a definitive confirmation of the ride model can be found.
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is a reliable source since its cited on nearly every roller coaster page on wikipedia. It says that Leviathan will be the 8th fastest roller coaster in the world, and I saw on here it was the 10th?--
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to change the license to one of the ones that Knowledge accepts. I will upload the image as soon as the license is changed. This picture will be perfect for the infobox!--
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about it. I feel at that time, the article will improve dramatically. So by the middle of this year it may be close, but that all depends on how this article evolves.
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I know this probably sounds stupid, but would it be possible to include the pronunciation of Leviathan, because even I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right?--
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I was able to get a image of the hammerhead turn. It is in the article if you guys want to see it. I will also see if I can get the image mentioned above.--
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that stated the drop for Leviathan is 306 feet. Although the source may say that, I doubt that is correct. As we know it slightly goes underground so it's
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match (as is the case with most roller coasters), the distinction is made and both the height and drop are reported separately. --
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