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I find the first table about Legislative efforts to recognise gender identity very confusing. If it is about when a certain country got a gender identity law and accepted that trans people changed their legal sex, the years are completely wrong. The year number seems to be more in line with when some
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Indeed the South African stuff does need a re-write. The position IIRC is that the Apartheid Government actually passed a law granting rights to transsexuals and post apartheid these rights are now enshrined in the constitution. But I don't have references. Additionally the Australia, New Zealand and
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It may be that "Spartacus Gay Travel Blog" was not considered a reliable source (travel blogs generally are not). Also the link doesn't work for me. Either way, as the file page itself says, the image can be updated by uploading new versions. It does not make sense for us to reinvent the wheel every
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The pre-October map is used in various languages and is translatable because it is an .svg. The new map is used only on this page on enwiki. Any updates should be made to the old map and uploaded as a new version. This has been done many times before since its original creation in 2015. If you go to
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The same arguments would apply to LGBT rights articles which have not been moved. Personally, I believe that both sets of articles (i.e. "LGBT rights..." and "transgender rights..." or whatever alternative titles should be devised) should be consistent with each other although there are arguments to
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There are a lot of issues in transgender rights: Right to have gender affirmative parental status , Right to change legal gender without genital surgery, Right to sustain former heterosexual marriage(Right to change legal gender without divorce). Right to change legal gender of who have children and
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The primary reason I restored it was that when I reviewed it, the older map looked as though it had not been updated since it was created in October 2015. Though upon refreshing the page I can now see that it was last updated in August 2023. Not sure why the previewer glitched out like that, but it
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The article lead doesn't explain what transgender rights are, it only lists legal issues relating to transgender people. It doesn't even mention the word "right/s". Perhaps the title should be changed to "Transgender people and the law" or "Legal status of transgender people", as that appears to be
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I edited out a section in the legal statis of transsexualism in Japan. Originally the section claimed that transexuals are constantly laughed at through TV show and commercials yet there is no source or referance to back this up. The same can be said with several other aspects that I removed such
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I think this is a reasonable move, especially given the lack of definition of transgender rights. One thing to keep in mind is that some articles use the phrase "transgender rights" without explanation and link here. Those should probably be written more clearly, since many people are not clear on
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or provide official documents showing that you were exempted. Transgender people are exempted from military service but, often, the army doesn’t know what to write on the forms. So some transgender people end up with things like “mental health issues” or “hormone imbalance” written on their files,
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The table currently in the article doesn't provide useful information — it provides a good/bad distinction, whereas there are many different aspects to consider. I'd definitely support any improvement to the table. It would be useful also to consider that some of these rights in some jurisdictions
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My edit was recently reverted on the grounds of “no deadnaming.” However, in the context on grammar, I believe my edit would be correct. When referring to a person having a sex reassignment surgery and changing their name, the male Jeff did not exist before the female Jennifer had the surgery. If
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The UN Human Rights Committee ruled in favor of a transgender woman who is seeking to remain married while transitioning. Current Australian law states that if a person seeks to change their birth certificate, they must get divorced first. I know this is non-binding (I think), but I think this is
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That too, but what's with the mess under Corbett vs Corbett? It looks like someone's put half the information about Australia's "Kevin" case under that - but it starts talking about the English decision, and then goes straight into talking about "Chisholm", without mentioning who the heck he is.
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The new map is awful because the legend says "Legal Status of Transgender People" and has the options of "Legal", "Legal after surgery", "Illegal", and "Legal in theory, defacto illegal" Because this legend is hardcoded into the png image, it cannot be modified easily. For example, the "defacto
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and moved the article to a title that more accurately reflects the current scope of the article. Currently the article does not address or even define 'transgender rights' as a topic, it is merely a list of legal protections by country. The new title is in line with a naming convention used on
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the file's page on Commons, you will see that it was updated in 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, and on 1/7/2023, 2/9/2023, 2/9/2023, 3/3/2023, and 8/17/2023. I don't know what changes MaliMail is trying to reflect with their new .png map, but those should be made to the .svg.
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illegal" misspelling cannot be corrected. The fourth category nowhere is used in the actual map, as far as I can see, and there are colors used in the map but not defined in the legend. For example, China is brown, and that color does not appear in the legend. Same for Jordan.
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I think the lead section here is too bulky. There is some information with weasel words that could be cut or use citation. "There is now greater understanding..." with no citation demonstrating this. Under the Philippines section there is use of a large block quote and some
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As a side note, I think the Corbett vs. Corbett case said that transsexuals changes sex for all purposes bar marriage, but also stated that the birth certificate shouldn't be changed. Thankfully the EU court finally overruled this recently (despite several prior
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The UK section is very lucid. It certainly makes plain how deficient the United States section is, though admittedly conveying a correct and itemized understanding of rights, procedures, etc., in the 50 states is a much more difficult job.
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Please can any thoughts on this be made, here. I hope to be able to begin implementing this soon. Intersex rights and Sexual orientation rights are a lot fuller than the equivalent for Transgender rights, including a lack of simple table.
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I understand, and I am fine with referencing people by their gender identity, but this is a grammatical error and should be fixed. If there is a way to fix this sentence and others like it without violating this rule, please tell me.
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Reading this slough, there is hardly any mention of countries that ban or have no tolerance for these actions. Surely the summary at the start shoould note that a good chunk of countries are opposed and do not allow.
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What about protection against police harassment of trans people? "Hasti, a 30-year-old trans woman was detained and harassed by the Iranian police for wearing makeup and presenting as a woman at a private function."
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Looks very useful, if no one else adds, I will read again and maybe try to add when I am awake. The very concerning forced gender reassignment of LGB people also deserves a mention (though maybe slightly off topic)
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are subject to medical approval, to providing evidence of having lived as the person's preferred gender identity for an amount of time, to have had surgery, or to be sterilised. While the table you're proposing,
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The "forced gender reassignment" claims are fictitious. "Iran grants transgender people loans worth nearly $ 1,200, though that’s still well below the $ 7,000-$ 12,000 cost of the surgery." according to an
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if it doesn't make sense to include the title string in the first sentence (but in the case of this topic, it should be included and bolded). In either case, the definition needs to occur in sentence #1.
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had to go outside of Iran for her vaginoplasty. Surgeons in Iran don't have the requisite urological training. As of 2018, one directory of surgeons has no surgeon in Iran who performs male-to-female SRS.
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Not all people who are born with transsexual body-parts (e.g. girls who are born with masculinized body-parts) like the idea that this condition has to do with a gender-identification. A body is a body.
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Just added in a new section, please feel free to keep an eye on it as new news comes in. I'm pretty sure that good ol' Downer will launch an appeal, just as the federal government appealed Kevin's case.
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and its subsets (though it looks like I need to check them over again; there have been some edits since my last) and it might be worth using those to update these some? Certainly the colour scheme for
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The claim "As of 2008, Iran carries out more sex change operations than any other nation in the world except for Thailand." which is based on several inaccurate and spin-doctored articles published by
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on the grounds that transsexuals were not recognised in English law. It was decided that, for the purposes of marriage, a post-operative transsexual was considered to be of the sex they had at birth.
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Please provide the website in English or Farsi of one (1) SRS surgeon in Iran who performs vaginoplasty before inserting false claims of 1000's of vaginoplasty being performed in Iran annually!??!--
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Historically in the United Kingdom, transsexual people had succeeded in getting their birth certificates changed and marriages conducted. However, this was not legally tested until the case of
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You say in your edit summary that "Legal after surgery" means legal recognition is only granted after surgery. I assume you mean that the person's gender identity is legally recognized after
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countries got self-identification as a requirement for changing legal gender. But that is not what the table indicates it is about. I'm not sure the years are completely correct then either.
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Additionally, in Iran, trans people only have a right to exist--nothing else. No right to serve as military officers or serve in any government positions. No government protections either.--
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Transgenders people are "officially recognized" means they can exist. That's all. What about getting a job? "When you apply for a job in Iran, you have to prove that you completed your
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All that said, I assert that any updates since 8/17/2023 need to be made to the pre-October map and the new map should not be used. What are your arguments against my assertion? --
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never directly says what transgender rights are. It vaguely refers to a few, but omits many others, like self-identification of gender and access to single-sex/gender spaces.
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Strictly, the legal issues arise from changing the gender with which one is publicly and legally associated, rather than from being associated with an incorrect gender.
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The removed map seems way more up to date, as the older one was created in October 2015. "Legal after surgery" means legal recognition is only granted after surgery.
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Peace and I fully understand, because human rights are very important. Also I am not actually against your argument regards the injustice of trans people in Iran.
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I've taken a hacksaw to the UK bit, basically rewriting it entirely. The bit about medical treatment is rather anecdotal, I shall try to find references.
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Self-revert complete. Next time though, could you please use a slightly more descriptive edit summary than simply describing the map as illogical?
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The title should be "Legal rights of trans people," not status as if people are talking about cocaine as opposed to civil rights.--
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Upon reviewing this further, as it is clear that the pre-October map is still relatively up to date, I'll self-revert and restore
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/un-backs-married-trans-woman-fighting-for-birth-certificate?utm_term=.rpjYOZpkmJ#.ttE06A3pqe
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would definitely be an improvement, can you also please ensure you don't simplify countries down to a simple yes/no? Thanks! —
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Jeff the male was already a male, why would he become a male through sex reassignment surgery? It is a grammatically paradox.
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in a reliable source (AP) that you might add for additional perspective on current attitudes toward trans people in Iran.
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according to these two articles, gender change has been legal in Egypt since 10 years ago, and in lebanon few days gao
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for transsexualism,transgenderism,transsexual,transgender which, when extended beyond year 2000, support the request.
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https://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/trans-woman-behind-landmark-un-decision-speaks?utm_term=.sdrjm14qQr#.qcxmayNLr6
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elsewhere, but there's certainly consensus here, and it's probably other pages that should follow this lead. --
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Very odd not to mention or even cross-reference the topic of transwomen's right to compete in women's sport.
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I respectfully ask ~ please do not direct insulting language at other editors in your edits or edit summaries
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I know this is an old section, but I would like to revive this discussion as I also find the current tittle "
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I added the cleanup tag since the South Africa text needs to be rewritten; possibly other sections as well.
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Maybe it's worth us consolidating some of this information (and the less in-your-face colour scheme) into
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illogical map. What does "legal after surgery" even mean? The person's existence is illegal before that?
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That would be part of the "historically recognised until Corbett vs. Corbett". Reference and add it :)
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come into this? Born female, changed gender in 1952, ruled legitimate heir to a baronetcy in 1968.
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Like the category of transgender people, Germany is in fact made up of humans with civil rights.
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was the first transgender mp in Europe, and that's what her wikipedia page says, am I wrong?
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time there is a change, especially given the issues with the October map outlined above. --
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In fact, police harassment is much worse than 99% of other countries because Iran has a
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On the other hands, you'll find the names of more than 30 surgeons in Thailand easily.
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is pretty hard to parse in small size, so varying the range of colours might be useful.
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I don't want to contribute to an edit war on this page, but I did a search and found a
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Understood. Why not upload a new version of the svg instead of creating a new png? --
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the old map needs updating and despite me trying to tell people to do it. nobody did.
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At the risk of trying to paint a bike shed: I propose the title be changed from “
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as transexuals that are offered jobs that lead them to suicide or slavery.
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after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add
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This is a perfectly normal phrase used in all sorts of contexts; e.g.
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This needs major work, seperating out into country-specific parts.
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to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
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to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
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which can cause them problems when they are seeking employment."
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significant enough to earn a mention somewhere in the article.
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we need someone to change the map and update the article etc...
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what those rights are and this article doesn't explain it.
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should help you understand why your edit was reverted.
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