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Ethiopian tradition is not worthless. There is the tradition of circumcising the son on the 8th day. I suppose this came only in 328? There is the tradition of observing the Sabbath on Saturday. Oh, yeah, it's just a tradition, so its worthless. There is the tradition of dividing the Churches into 3 sections following the pattern of the Jewish Temple. Oh, yeah, you just said all Ethiopian traditions are worthless to the enlightened historian, we have your authority to go on for that. There is the tradition of baptizing sons on 40 days after birth, and girls 80 days, per Leviticus. Oh, yeah, they had to have learned that from the Greeks, who were the only intelligent influence on the Africans. (yawn). Even the Leviticus tradition of separating foods into 'clean' and 'unclean' is still practised. Then there is the tradition of deep veneration for the Ark of the Covenant. But we already know what you, the skeptic, think about that: It's just another tradition, meaningless for the historian with his own agenda. Guess what, the Ethiopian people firmly believe that they got all these traditions because they converted from Judaism to Christianity in the year 328. But that doesn't fit in with what you're pushing, does it, so it's gotta go, huh... Of course there is a significant body of people who never converted, who have
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east of the world is in facT ethiopia. to understand the culure of ethiopia, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND SPEAK THE MAIN LAUNGUAGE. AMRAICHA(AMARIC) which breaks it down t you for example, JOSEPH (YASEPH) Which means (LET HIM THINK, A THINKER) Jocob(YACOB) SAME MEANING, the language breaks everything down, that is just a little info, but it is bigger than that, and the other thing is people brag about things, itS human nature to brag about things u have or surrouunded with, but its a fact the east african race never bragged about anything, basically meanning GOD OR GOD MESSANGERs, FOLLOWERS, SLAVES,,,etc DO NOT NEED TO BRAG CAUSE THEY BELIEVE AND KNOW THE TRUTH.(islam (truth))- one god, one being) creator oF ALL
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ethiopian arn't even really ethiopians they are abbysinian's, forgive me for mispelling the name but the arabic version is HABESHA which basic means mix-breeds, mix-races the history is so long that the west hemsp. have not thought the history of east africa or now KNOW as middle-east, the middle
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Ethiopic culture has been heavily influenced by Hebraic culture- via a version of Christianity that has in many ways remained closer to its Jewish roots than other versions. But this influence would have begun in 328 AD with the conversion of Aksum to Christianity.
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