Talk:List of presidents of Venezuela

751:, you'll see that Chávez Frías is listed only as Chávez, while Pérez Jiménez is listed with both surnames. Mixing styles in one template. If you look at the actual list on the main page here, you'll find Hugo Chávez Frías (both surnames) and Rafael Caldera (one surname), rather than Rafael Caldera Rodríguez (both surnames). This is not explained anywhere on the page to the reader unfamiliar with Hispanic surnames. So, again, my question is should we not use a standardized naming convention? That is, either use both surnames, or use only one surname, rather than a mix of style throughout the Presidential articles in Wiki (or at least within the same page or template? You and I understand Hispanic surnames, but others may be confused. My recommendation is that we use both surnames in the main article, 3024:. By doing this, this article would be immensely expanded - many useful data related to the post of the President would be transferred here, the list of Presidents would be remodeled and eventually it would contain much more data than the present list. In order to achieve that, Spanish article should be translated - I know it would be a big task, its a huge article. Also, it would take some time to remodel the list of Presidents... I really hope someone will have enough time to do that. Unfortunately, I don't think that I'll have enough time to jump into such a huge task in near future, but I'd be ready to help somehow if its needed. In the end, beside the Spanish version of this article, we should also look at the 1373:

the "interim" "caretakes" and other such things. But, they are shown, which serves to give a more complete picture of historical events. SqueakBox should be ressured that Carmona doesn't get "counted" in the official Presidential succession of 53 Presidents, but he's there to show that "something" happened in April 2002. On that basis, and considering there are several older "interim caretakers" that also aren't included in the 53 tally, it seems that Lepage should be there as well. But we need to see some of the original sources used in generating the chart, so that we're not engaging in original research.

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political differences between the international actors supporting or opposing the Maduro regime. For instance, it is the case in Latin America that all the pro-US governments and orgs (OAS, for instance) have declared support for Guaido, while all the left wing and anti-US governments (Nicaragua, Cuba, Bolivia, Mexico) have declared support for Maduro, but I don't care enough to cite these claims and add them to an article that's already a mess of NPOV problems. Anyway, this section is a place for people to try and argue about this controversy in the open instead of having edit-wars. -

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counting. Look at the sources given in the article. One is a personal website, one is someone's opinion from UCAB, and one is a Venezuelan gov't site, which doesn't go as far back as the other sources do (and additionally reflects current government bias). Venezuela does not use presidential numbering and terms equivalent to the USA, so this "Featured List" is really bordering on original research, particularly with the "53rd President" issue. (I was curious to see how the US list counts Gerald Ford, as that would be similar to situation after CAP resigned:

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Venezuela (as opposed to the USA) people do not tend to think of presidents as the number X president; the guy was president from such date to such other date -that is all; if someone wants to count and say he was number 45 or 47, people in Venezuela will say "so what?" or "who cares?" Thus, I suggest we make the list without the numbering. As to Lepage in 1993, I think he should be included. Here there is mention of him being caretaker president as replacement for Perez

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second one is your mother's. For abbreviation, however, or when referring informally to someone, you mention just the main surname. To complicate things further, some people insist in using additional first names. When travelling north, one usually gets his surname lost, as everyone assumes the main surname is the last one, which it is not. Occasionally someone preventively writes his/her two surnames together, tied by a hyphen. Thus, just a few examples:

3049:, mostly with translated content from the Spanish Knowledge (XXG) (just the parts I could find references about). I didn't translate the entire thing because most of the content was irrelevant; long lists specifying the duties of presidents as stated in former constitutions. In any case, I think this article can now be reduced to just a list, complementary to the President of Venezuela article, as in most other heads of state articles around. -- 32: 2896:. Lamentablemente para indicar que es político, debe tener una titulación que lo acredite como politólogo. Sin embargo, no se tiene registro alguno sobre estudios de politología en universidad alguna. Su desempeño laboral fue como conductor de bus y su experiencia política como líder sindical. De ahí no se pueden confundir cargos políticos como carrera que haya desempeñado, pues estos son escalafones pero no preparación académica. -- 459: 438: 3546:

It is akin to, after the Supreme Court in Bush v Gore settled the decision, continue to list Gore as the disputed incumbent President of the US. The only way in which Guaido is President of Venezuela is that he has control over the financial accounts in the United States. He does not actually exercise power, he is not a government-in-exile either, because his presence is tolerated. He has not been banished from his own country.

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is why I'd like for SqueakBox to work on a consensual basis, rather than charging forward with deletes without discussing them. This stuff works its way through all of the Venezuelan articles, including the claim that Chavez is #53 (which I never understood until I saw this chart, and I'm not that sure of it still); we should nail it down before we start operating on tables and templates.

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the Spanish language wikipedia. Personally, I would list the information without trying to interpret with a number by counting -readers can reach their own conclussion. In Venezuela, contrary to the USA, there is no official count, so I think we can get rid of it. What would matter most is discussing and agreeing if Lepage should be in the list or not. Cheers.

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Though I have no idea whether you still have this on watch or w/e -- and I appreciate the comment on my talk, thank you -- we do not present the antipopes as people who have legitimate claims to the leadership of the Catholic Church. The constitutional court in Venezuela said it was unconstitutional.

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The introducing paragraph to the section is unsourced. The table has a single source, and I guess it's unlikely that the statistics provided in the reference supporting the table can also support the unsourced paragraph. Having this issue, I cannot figure out how the list is an FL one that appears in

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Have you found anything yet that mentioned how long he was a bus driver for? Right now his Knowledge (XXG) article says he began trade union work in what would have been his early 20s. If that was the end of his bus driving days, I really wouldn't list it as an occupation. My occupation will never

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I was just looking over all of the material in the References, as well as the footnote in the Chavez article, saying he was the 53rd President. Straightening this out will be a real mess. A lot of it looks like complilations from various sources, with some original research thrown in as well. This

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I wasn't in Venezuela then, or aware. Do you have several high-quality reliable sources labeling him as such? Changing this information affects dozens (if not more) of different articles and templates throughout Wiki, so it is not something that should be done rashly as SqueakBox did with Carmona.

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Sandy, your previous example is wrong. Both presidents are mentioned with both their last names. This cultural difference often causes funny mistakes and no small deal of mischief. In all of Latin America (not just in Venezuela), you formally use both your surnames: the main one is your father's, the

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The problem is that the layout currently insinuates that Guaido would be an elected president. This is not only incorrect, but simply not the case either with the PRIOR presidents. I guess a partial "work-around" may be to simply use another colour, and not position it in line with the others, since

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We need to address this List first, as well as the template, individual articles, the Presidential infobox, and the issue of Chavez being called "number 53" in his article. With all due respect to Saravask, who put enormous amounts of very nice work into all of this, it is somewhat strange to me to

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So, why do we include Cabello in the chart, and not them, for example? Very confusing ... perhaps relating to what Agnorisis said on the Pedro Carmona talk page. The events of April 2002 have to be somehow explained and accounted for in the chart, since they weren't the "business of usual" of when

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ugh, too late at night for me to read pages of Spanish (I'm remembering now those events, though). The NY Times will give us the reliable source. We have to figure out why Lepage was left out. The more I study the chart, the more I like it. The number 53 seems appropriate, since it doesn't count

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I don't even understand the first two columns in this chart, different sources say different things, and how do we even define "President" in the older history of Venezuela? The sources also mention several books, that might be helpful? There is a long, long discussion of the issue of presidential

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asking is what, if any, numbering system should we use. If this system of three numbering systems is not sustained, I would prefer no numbering system as the current system presents various ways of looking at the information, while choosing one would imply that an official numbering system exists.

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said, what numbering system would be used in place of the three currently used? Having only checked with Chavez, it doesn't appear that Venezuelan presidents are numbered like American Presidents in reliable sources. He is not referred to as the 52nd, 61st, 73rd, etc. president of Venezuela. The

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include one source that shows 40 presidents, one that shows 45, and one that shows 53 (all different ways of counting them). It seems that Saravask's chart converted all of that information to 53 distinct presidential terms, vs. 40 or 45 distinct Presidents, and also showed the "interim" uncounted

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Please change Nicolas Maduro as former elected president of Venezuela. This is a violation to all the democratic process of Venezuela, since he has not followed the legislation protocol and the voted of the Venezuelan people have not being re-counted. He proclaimed himself against the will of more

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La forma correcta de representar la opcupación del Sr. Nicolas Maduro (Presidente de Venezuela año 2013), es de POLITICO, su trabajo como conductor en el Metro de Caracas fue en las fechas de entre 1991 y 1998, donde llegó a dirigir su sindicato y como tal fue miembro de la junta directiva de esa

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A Knowledge (XXG) editor has not decided which numbers correspond to whom in some arbitrary manner. Three numbering systems exist on the page. Routine calculations were used to associate the correct numbers with the various presidents once the numbering system existed. The question we should be

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Go ahead! Do it Sandy. Regarding Saravask work, yes, I remember discussing this with him in the past, and yes, we can now say it was original work. He came with his own system for counting. At the time I didn't challenge him on the actual counting but on the inconsistency vis a vis the counting in

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I noticed there were a bunch of edits about what's going on with regards to Guaido, and then this page got edit-locked, but no corresponding discussion on the talk page seemed to have taken placr. I personally feel like the current tone of the section on Guaido does not adequately acknowledge the

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This one or two day presidents must have been common in the XIX century. If we check history books things can become very complicated. I think we should set a minimum. Many History books put Soublette right after Vargas, for instance. Let me see if I can get you something free for Octavio Lepage

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That was going to be part of my proposal: it seems like Saravask tried to model this after the US Presidents list, which led to trouble. It is US-centric to look at it this way, since it's not the way Venezuelans look at it, and we probably can't find reliable sources that back up any of this

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Anyway, footnote #2 gives no reliable source for Lepage (this is the problem with a lot of this older material, written by Saravask before referencing requirements in Wiki were tightened up), so we don't know on what basis he was excluded from the table. Can't someone get hold of some of these

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Because the coup d'etat of 2002 changed the election date. he was elected in 1998. Then he made a new constitution in 1999 and elections were held again in 2000. Subsequently, after he took office in 2001, the next elections were to be in 2006 (and they were). This is a weird situation that is

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Many of the men listed below became President on a provisional basis as they waited for the arrival of the elected or regular president, such as commonly occurs in the aftermath of a civil war, rebellion, or coup d'état. As a consequence, other Venezuelan presidential rosters may not choose to

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AVM, thanks so much for the long explanation of surnames in Latin America. The explanation will be helpful to others who may not understand Hispanic surnames or the question, which I apparently didn't spell out clearly enough (I already understand my surnames :-) There are multiple lists and

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Why don't we try to simplify things by avoiding counting? I mean, lets discuss if X or Y was president or not, but lets not spend time trying to count to 53 or 54 or 67 or whatever. Making a list trying to label with numbers will be too complicated and this will lead to different sources. In

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the current status is, objectively, not sharply defined. Edit: I just noticed the colour reference; oddly enough I hardly noticed that distinction. Perhaps the colours could be a bit thicker or something? I wasn ot noticing any difference in the HTML tables, colour-wise, on a first-glance.

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Can we think of a realiable reference in the form of a history book for the 'References' section? We should look for an authority in the history of presidents of Venezuela, because the references we have now in the article are mostly old websites and government sites that lead to dead

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empresa pública, ente este periodo y después el Sr en cuestión fue y es POLITICO. La forma en como plasman su OCUPACIÓN es una ofensa al país, sin tomar en cuenta su carrera actual, la cual lleva más de 15 años ejerciendo. Los venezolanos pedimos que esto sea corregido.

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response here. Referencing requirements have gotten much tighter on Wiki, and the decisions taken there look rather informal, in retrospect (in other words, what we might call original research today, if the statements aren't referenced). The References at the bottom of

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However, the rules say that I should have at least five to ten members willing to integrate and contribute to the wikiproject. So if some of you guys want to join in, then leave me a message, or in this page. I will be back in a few days to see how things are going on.

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But we need to be consistent: I wish I understood the older "interim" cases. We can't do one thing on the older cases, another on Carmona/Cabello, and another on LePage. I'm going to post a question to WikiProject Venezuela, to see if we can get broader input.

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As I said, if sources consider his occupation was something else then we can change it, I have looked for sources that call him a career politician and did not find anything. As a compromise I have changed it to Bus Driver and Union Leader as per Reuters.

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No, because there is no explanation: it was all original research. See all of the preceding talk discussions. I've removed the numbering (which I promised to do years ago and forgot). There are still problems here; this should not be a featured list.

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Updated it to reflect what I said above. Because throughout the text of this article and others we (correctly, following virtually all reliable sources) describe the situation as "disputed" (a reasonably neutral term), our table should do the

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tag. Labelling sources such as the Venezualan gob as original research implies that only North Americans or Brits like the BBC and not the Venezuelans themselves have a right to define who is their President which is an extreme POV,

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I found something in one of the personal websites which may be helpful, and before we undertake this work, I hope someone can get hold of some hard-print resources, so that we're not relying on personal websites to verify this

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There isn't any disagreement that he worked as a bus driver, but I think it's a misrepresentation to call that his occupation. Much more relevant is his work as a union leader/politician (congressman, foreign minister, vice

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textbooks, or something from Venezuelan historians? We should ask for help on the WikiProject page. I'm going to see if I can dig up any reliable sources on Lepage; we can't be using unsourced Wiki footnotes as a source.

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The abreviation template at the bottom is wrong when in selecting some of the names -for the purposes of using only one name. For example Marcos Perez Jimenez should appear as Perez or as Perez Jimenez, but not as Jimenez.

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work, I'm a bit exhausted, but if we can get enough editors on board to develop some consensus that might hold across all of the Presidential articles, I can type up my ideas, which I think/hope would please SqueakBox.

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We could clearly mark Guaido as distinct, rather than in a separate table, to avoid the confusion that was presented, as it is for the antipopes - they are highlighted to make it clear. I think that would work best.

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But as all Presidents are politicians it is better to how what his occupation was prior to going into politics. Happy for it to read Bus Driver and union leader as per the Reuters source if you think that would be

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than half of the Venezuelan people and if you published that he is the president of Venezuela, you are confirming a dictator and misinforming the rest of the world. Please, stay truth of the facts....

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Original research to claim that Carmona wasn't President. Lol, that is so funny but clearly not true, as my link shows. Given Sandy's intransigence I have had no choice but to tag this article with a

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is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge (XXG) policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

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Should be notice that the presidents are colored according to their parties, but only AD and COPEI, I think someone should also divide the XIX presidential list in Liberal and Conservative

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It seems that the best solution for now (see the talk page for Cebello) is to not state the existence of an interim president right now. What is the best way to do that on this page?

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which is my point, if no RS uses a numbering system then we should not use one, a WP editor (or multiple ones) have created a numbering system where none exists in RS's and that

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list could do a better job of describing what each numbering system actually means, it took me a while to determine, but other than that fix, I can't think of a better solution.

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JRSP, I have the NY Times Lepage article now, and several ideas of how we can address a lot of the issues with the Venezuelan Presidential info throughout Wiki. After all that

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include the 61 terms below, citing the extreme brevity of certain terms, unusual circumstances that may have surrounded a president's ascendancy into office, and other factors.

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Having Guaidó in a new separate makes it harder for the casual reader to understand the current situation, which is that there are two people claiming to be the President.

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Nothing in Google News, nothing in BBC, and El Universal's archives start at 1996. Don't know what to do next with this mess. We need books from Venezuelan historians.

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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.

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be a routine calculation is if a RS had a list of say the first 40 Presidents and a WP editor then continued the series to number the next 37 or 25 or however meany.

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I can't get to the NYT article without paying. Instead of forking over the $ 5, I'll just go to the libary tomorrow and get a copy, unless someone else has it.

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I doubt it, this seems to be about more than who was President of Venezuela and any source will be ignored by Carmona's supporters, as per the current evidence,

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has repeatedly removed Guaido, without explanation. Given the discussion above: why should we remove Guaido, instead of describing the situation as "disputed"?

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Perhaps we should better look at 1836. It can be considered the 1st coup in Venezuelan history. As I said above, many lists put Soublette right after Vargas

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We need to have sources, broad consensus, and probably a list of all the places that would need to be updated, since it will put the numbers out of whack.

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Using a different color (like dark gray) for Guaido to highlight the dispute makes sense and doesn't introduce confusion. Seems like a good idea to me.

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was interim President of Venezuela. Please refrain from deleting information referenced to reliable sources, and stop inserting original research.

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Cabello said that "I, Diosdado Cabello, am assuming the presidency until such time as the president of the republic, Hugo Chávez Frías, appears."

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I'll look at that in a minute. I noticed the text at the top seems to indicate (??) that this list is supposed to include absolutely everyone:

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That makes it sound like this includes even the briefest of "Presidents", so why did they leave out Lepage ? That seems to be addressed here:

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Yes but sadly here politics seemed to work very weird. because of the years beign changed to 6, the elections were moved from 2011 to 2012. —

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I don't mind going to the library, but can't do it tonight. Do we understand the statement about the "most common listing" being the 53 ??

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Copying my comment from the template talk page: Can anyone explain to me why some of the Presidential names listed on the template include

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There could be more "forgotten interim presidents". Perhaps we should set a reasonable minimum time for putting somebody in the list

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That said, as long as we keep the "(Disputed second term)" marker next to Maduro, we could move the Guaido row down to the section

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Despite what the constitution said, news sourcing are reporting that Chavez' hand picked successor, Maduro, is acting president.

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I think this article should be reformatted and expanded to look like the corresponding article on Spanish Knowledge (XXG) -

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have US-centric lists generated by someone in India who has never been to Venezuela and doesn't speak Spanish <smile: -->

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Can anyone explain to me the chart? Chavez is the 61st unique President, but what does it mean by 52nd "selected all"?

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The other reset-to-a-new-table incidents were renamings of the country and fundamental changes to the governing system.

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I reverted an anon ip's removal of Guaido, but I don't think this is usefully presented now for the follow reasons:

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I removed them, but don't understand the numbering scheme (selected all?). Someone who does might want to fix that.

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article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

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List of presidents of Venezuela#Presidents recognized by the National Assembly during the 2019 Presidential crisis

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What I think we should do is list both of them in the main table for now, and indicate that there is a dispute.--

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Normal bussiness for the VP. Isaías Rodríguez, Adina Bastidas and JV Rangel assumed the presidency several times

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I'm not sure if the color was ever changed. I think you can go ahead and make the Guaido row a darker gray.

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so I have added that and sourced it. If there is a disagreement then please provide RS to show other wise.

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A virtual libray is not a reliable source, and even if it were, it gives undue weight to a minority view.

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The most common listing criteria create a traditionally recognized list of 53 distinct presidential terms.

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but revisiting all of this is going to be a lot of work. What was the criteria used in making this table?

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So, some Venezuelan historians or texts use the list of 53 as the most common, which omits Lepage ????

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it doesn't appear that Venezuelan presidents are numbered like American Presidents in reliable sources

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The list includes them, but not one of the four references does. They all start with Páez. Remove?

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I think you can go ahead and remove the numbering then. As I said, I have no opposition to that.

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Before 2009, the term was to be 5yrs. It's only after 2009, that the term changed to 6yrs.

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should be added to the list of presidents diosdado cabello and pedro carmona estanga.

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So, was he actually sworn in, if so by whom, or did he auto-assume the Presidency?

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I left a question for Agnorisis, since he was involved in some of Saravask's work.

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Guillermo Morón, "Los Presidentes de Venezuela", Ed. Planeta, 3ra Edición, 1996.

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Francisco Herrera Luque, "Los cuatro reyes de la baraja", Ed. Grijalbo, 1991.

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The numbering of Venezuelan presidents, is a giant headache. Do you include

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Manuel Tomás Lander, "Historia Amena de Venezuela", Ed. Histamena, 1991.

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be McDonalds Worker even though I worked there through high school.

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had an extraordinarily complex name, a common custom at his time:

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I have removed the numbering as per the above section.

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Perhaps the opinion of the legislative power counts.

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