Talk:List of Virtual Console games for Nintendo 3DS (North America)

5115:- Yes, of course there should be a clearer indication that those games are exclusive to 3DS Ambassadors, and numerous people have indicated that they would prefer that change. Moreover, that is how they do things for the article on Japan's Virtual Console games. How things seem to happen with this article, though, is that if you edit the article itself, your change gets reverted and you are told to bring it up on the talk page. When you bring it up on the talk page, there is a small group of people who will consistently say it is a bad idea, while the seemingly much larger number of other people who think it would be a good idea are not following the article enough to chime in when the discussion comes up. Other funny things happen with this article, too, like comments on this talk page being strangly deleted. It is all quite interesting... 2204:

review some of the previous threads on this page and you'll see this exact reason ("well, the Japanese page does it that way") was used then, and it didn't change anything. Incidentally, I looked at the Japan version, and it's confusing and making the assumption that given games will be released when no evidence has been presented to suggest they are; in other words, there are factual inaccuracies in that version. However, that's that page's way of doing things, and I'm not going to try and change it. So, would you care to offer another reason for why your edits improve the article and don't create confusion? --

4135:- I personally notice plenty of times where people add games without updating the number, or where people clean up vandalism entries, but forget to reset that number, so I'm against it. (Also, it seems like it's gets rather unlikely that people are checking that number once it gets into the multiple hundreds - that's a rather tedious undertaking.) I'm only in support of it if it was something verified by Nintendo, like they mentioned that they just uploaded their 200th eShop game in a press release or something - then we could say something like "over 200 games" or whatnot and it'd be true for certain at least. 2327:

field, because "Unknown" implies something is happening but we don't know when it will happen, something that is factually incorrect; no evidence has been presented to suggest it will happen at all. However, if the dates are included in the table as they should be, that would make your inclusion of the date in the lead of the table redundant and that would have to be removed. So, the quickest way to solve the problem is to undo your changes unless you can give another reason (aside from "that's how the Japanese page is") that hasn't been discussed before. --

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available to the general public, then it would be something to look at. But that time isn't now. Also, removing the dates entirely from the GBA section, again, is completely incorrect, because those were the dates on which they were released, and any suggestion of an upcoming release (suggested by words like "TBA", "TBD" or "Unknown") would be ... again ... factually incorrect. And again, another editor has chimed in to say they disagree with the changes you made. Any further accusations of sockpuppetry without proof will be treated as a

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number of things can happen. Not the least of which is Nintendo deciding to take advantage of a sudden surge of interest for another title and putting it in that place instead. Also, please remember that a number of Game Gear titles were slated to be made available as part of the 8-Bit Summer promotion (they appeared in the ads for said promo, but with no release date), and they've yet to show up. So release dates do change, even if they're mentioned heavily in a Nintendo press release. --

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bother me when they look odd or crooked. I just hope you guys understand and at least let me keep it as "Game Boy" and mention Nintendo in the description of the handheld, it looks better than way. I thought anyone can edit Knowledge (XXG) and I don't like people saying it MUST be like this. It looks too weird saying "Nintendo Game Boy" instead of "Game Boy" I do understand about it saying "Sega Game Gear" instead of "Game Gear" though. (

4184:- The numbering began in mid-2007 and I have been a contributor to Japanese/PAL region/South Korean VC pages since the spring of 2008. Erreneous counts are seldom on those pages, probably thanks to a few regular editors! However, it appears to be a big issue on the North American pages, where people were also inserting their own wishlists in the 'Future releases' section and an additional source column had to be introduced later. 5709:

navigating away from the portion of the table that a reader would be at during the time they are reading whereas footnotes do not. Sure, listing the same information in both the prose and footnotes would be redundant, but it would improve readability and would not detract from the article. (I think the removal of footnotes from the GBA section makes perfect sense though, since the info applies to all listed games, not just some.)

653: 352: 725: 1072: 276: 218: 249: 3248:. Just because one article does something doesn't mean others do. Is that the only reason? I don't understand why you keep on pleading for this. I personally don't like the random tallies because frequently I find that people don't update it when they add a new title. When the number's get higher, into the hundreds, it becomes a chore to check and make sure the numbers are correct. 1059: 286: 4044:, but NOT the Game Boy line on the Nintendo 3DS and Wii U Virtual Console pages. Could we issue a new consensus on why it should be the way it should be written in the actual wiki page itself? I totally agree with all the anonymous IPs changing it, but with all the registered users changing it back has to stop. I know this was 3 years ago, but seriously, come on! 1246: 5558:

wish to add as footnotes. For example, In the NES listing, we could add details like "the first NES titles were made available to 3DS Ambassadors. Titles made available to the general public had additional features that were absent in the Ambassador versions; Ambassadors could download an update to receive the new content. Some titles, such as

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prose, I would certainly prefer prose. However, it might also be a good idea to include when Virtual Console titles from a certain system first became available regardless of the presence footnotes, which would also necessitate mentioning the Ambassador Program. I am also interested in what other people think on this matter.

2620:(For some reason McDoob removed the immediately above comment. But was the comment do? It states that Doob's claim is wrong. It provides factual proof for why Doob's claim is wrong. Then it points out that the definition of consensus would fit with the aforementioned process. How is that in any way a personal attack? 4245:-Two reasons. One, it may be obvious to editors writing about it, but Knowledge (XXG) is written for general audience who we are to assume know nothing about the subject. What is obvious to one is not to another. (See my example above about "Tooth paste flavors".) Secondly, I think it's good for consistency. We label it " 5605:

some cases, footnotes will be inevitable, such as the NES Ambassador titles. As to improving the current format of the footnotes, I'd be cool with that, yes, and I would like to hear other input about this, too. While we wait, maybe we should post proposals for how the prose would read in a subsection here? --

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I've always questioned the inclusion of the 3D Classics here, since they are a separate category and not even Nintendo refers to them as Virtual Console. That said, at the start of the program, there weren't really enough releases to merit a separate article. Now that we have many new releases, along

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For example, the NES section now simply has the footnote "Nintendo 3DS Ambassador title". I find this unnecessarily vague. While I don't necessarily think it needs as much detail as the old footnote, this footnote necessitates the reading of the prose above rather than being self-serving, which it is

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Personally, I feel the removal of the footnotes has made the article less readable. While prose is nice, I do not think it should replace the footnotes. When reading the table, the footnotes are there so that they can be read while scrolling through the table; while the prose is nice, it necessitates

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These titles were originally released for use on the Nintendo Entertainment System, which was launched in 1985. The first group of Virtual Console releases were made available exclusively to Nintendo 3DS Ambassadors on September 1, 2011. The Ambassador titles were subsequently released to the general

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does not apply here, since that policy is in regards to content, not style; it's about arguing notability, which I was not. I argued that the pages should be synchronized due to being a equivalent pages; to expand on that, readers are likely to want to compare the pages (as I have before), and having

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Interesting how it took six months after this conversation was closed (which was 12 months after the debate died a natural death) to register a dissenting opinion. The main point was not ignored, as consensus did not agree with it. If you have a problem with the closure, take it up with the user that

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article, which is linked in the lead of this article, will learn all about the console and about the Ambassador program. For those that know of 3DS but not the Ambassador program, there's links to the specific subheading both in the NES list (of which all Ambassador titles have been released) and the

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Certainly. As they scan the dates, they'll see that they're in chronological order. When they see a second date, they'll see that date is for the general public, and also see that game was previously released for ambassadors on that given date. If it gets to the point where most/all of the Ambassador

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To conclude then, the comment pointed out how McDoob acting in the way that had been criticized earlier would result in the dictatorial process that had been argued for earlier by saying McDoob being that way "has again resulted in you being able to dictate how the page will be." Why would it not be

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The comment further challenged McDoob's use of unsubstantiated language and false statements and also pointed out how doing so is related to the assertion of McDoob being dictatorial by saying, "I would argue that you are mistaken with your statements that use the words 'should', 'inaccurate', 'plain

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Never said I was ... was defending consensus, something you were wanting to change and are doing so after being asked not to. Your only reason for making the change is because a similar page does it that way. That was discussed previously and consensus was to keep things the way they are here; please

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That's easy. Your change basically swapped out one footnote for another. The revised version changes dates to "Unknown" when, for all we know, no release date other than that which has been given will ever been made. Changing it to "unknown" makes the suggestion that the games will be released to the

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In the NES section, the only remaining footnote should be to flag the Ambassador titles, so readers will know they launched first. For that matter, if we identify how it's tagged in the prose, the footnote wouldn't be needed. In the GBA section, there would be no need for a footnote at all until and

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I highly disagree with McDoob's assessment that the information doesn't need to be covered. It is not "already covered" in this article, and it is a bit much expecting the average user to see the footnote, click on the footnote link, and read about the Ambassador program. If they don't do that, they

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Nothing has changed. We write for the readers, not for ourselves. We write the article based on two assumptions: first, that this is the reader's first-ever encounter with the subject matter; and second, that the reader has no idea what's being discussed. If we do not include the manufacturer of the

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Your opinion is certainly welcome, but two other editors have expressed concerns about it, which brings us here. Consensus has been to have the console manufacturer's name in the subheading. If you would like to change consensus, you are welcome to make the attempt by providing proof. Unfortunately,

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Game Boy). Also, this really is one of those things where you need to look beyond yourself and what you're personally familiar with. It may be brutally obvious to you, but to many, they don't think of such things. Go ask your Aunt or Grandfather or something. They may not know. But we're writing for

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Why does it keep on coming down to it being about being hard, people being lazy, or not smart? At no point has anyone responded "No, I can't figure out how to do this" or "No, that's too hard". You're not going to get anywhere if you don't discuss this seriously. Not everything in Knowledge (XXG) is

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They should not be re-added to this page, as they are not Virtual Console releases (as you admitted yourself), whereas this page is a list of Virtual Console releases. They are already linked in the "See also" section, which should be sufficient to draw attention to them, since this is a list page.

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I initially was going to go step by step again, but I think that's not going to help matters. Allow me to offer a counter-proposal. I think my biggest problem with this is it's adding tons of footnotes where there is precious little prose. Let's expand the prose here and include the information you

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to help the reader understand this game was available for a limited time, under limited circumstances, and is no longer available. With one sentence, we can easily convey to the reader that the ambassador GBA titles, all conveniently isolated in their own table, were similarly a limited release and

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Furthermore, there is currently no evidence Nintendo has any plans to ever release additional GBA titles for 3DS VC; if that situation ever arises, we can easily add another sentence of explanation. Even if Nintendo eventually releases a different GBA game on the VC, that won't make the information

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I don't know what that "Note 2" is referring to, but it should either be replaced/fixed with a clearer ref, or removed if it's not actually confirmed. Also, N4G rumored games should not be included, partially because rumored games don't belong on here, partially because N4G is not a reliable source

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had no redundancies, whereas your version includes several duplicates and a lot of factual inaccuracies, as noted previously. So, I have proven completely that your change is inferior. Well-intentioned (except for how you're going about it), but inferior nonetheless. Again, how is this better? That

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I stand by my suggestion that you were acting like a dictator, and you in fact are still acting like a dictator and, reading these talk discussions and the edit history of the page, you have been acting tremendously like a dictator for quite some time. My apologies if you found to my encouragement

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Thank you for switching to a more reasoned discussion. The Japan 3DS VC page is easier to read and is in the way that I modified this page. I do not have any attachment to the word "Unknown" -- that is just how they had it there. If you want to change the word, feel free, and I think we will have

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I've seen this in some lists but not in others. I'm certainly not married to it, since the main article for the game has this information. About the only exception I would make (thus far) is for the 3D Classics, because it looks like the conversions may be done by other companies not related to the

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These titles were original released for the Game Boy Advance, which was launched in 2001. Like the initial NES Virtual Console games, these titles were released exclusively to Nintendo 3DS Ambassadors. Unlike the NES titles, these games have not been released to the general public and Nintendo has

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Ultimately, I'd love to have as few footnotes as possible. The vast majority of content that's in the footnotes you proposed could be added in prose. If we write for the readers and not for ourselves, why do we insist on having so much information in such small print, making it tougher to read? In

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So I posed 4 thoughts. (Why is it "iffy"? Why is it "stupid"? What about the fact that general audiences may not know what companies make what system? What about consistency, since we put "Sega" in front of "Game Gear"?) And you feel you answered all four of these questions with your semi-relevant

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as N4G reported earlier this year. However there are still no release dates for the 10 ambassador games yet. It also says that Sonic Blast will be releasing on December 20 alongside Wario Land II which was confirmed by Nintendo back in August I think. I doubt that the Mario Advance games will come

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The comment then laments on first having a hope to reach consensus with McDoob and then being discouraged by McDoob seeming to have no interest in doing so by stating, "I asked to try to reach a consensus with you and I assumed good faith on your part, but you have now demonstrated that that was a

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The comment also clarified the suggestion above about McDoob being dictatorial about the page by pointing out what is the reality of how the page is being editing and as such illustrating that there is no consensus in any sense of the word: "you are dictating the page in that you (and solely you!)

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is found two ways; one way is by discussion and !votes, and the other is by how the article is edited. You're trying to change it, you were asked to give a reason and not change it back, you changed it back anyway and failed to give a reason. The only change I approve of is to give the date in the

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your reasoning. For example, when an editor says that your edits are factually inadequate and then provides their proof as to why, your response shouldn't be "no it isn't," it should be, "no, it isn't, and here's why", especially when a second editor makes a similar statement disagreeing with the

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The comment finally mentioned that the editor would need to leave because the editor's romantic partner was wanting attention and then restated the insulting name that the romantic partner had called McDoob. The comment only quoted the insulting name and did not assert that name itself. How can

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I'm sorry, but that's not how things work around here. The consensus previously reached is not based on a page mimicking another page. The consensus reached is for this article and this article alone. Your attempts to come in and change it unilaterally, after being told not to, are disruptive and

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2 reasons; 1, the company that made should be in description and not the title header, it doesn't really make difference but as long as one of them says it and 2) EU and JP doesn't have them and I understand Knowledge (XXG) is not American centric but still. I also have Autism and some things do

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Beyond that, please, enough with the bickering, IP. Based off of it, it's rather clear you don't have the best grasp on Knowledge (XXG) policy, so you'd be better off stopping with the games, and getting back to why you think your way is better, something you've failed to convince anyone of yet.

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You're free to believe what you wish, in spite of excessive evidence to the contrary. You'll see that games are listed in release order, making it easy to find when a game was released, as the games released last are at the bottom of the table. If we get to the point where all the NES titles are

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I quote, "Secondly, consensus is reached a second way: through editing. If the edits remain in a given form over a period of time, then that means that other editors accept that, and thus consensus is reached." That is not true and that is not what has happened. The edits remain because you keep

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Personally, I see it the exact opposite. I would say we're insulting their intelligence when there are clearly 3-4 items and we're telling them there are 3-4 items. I think readers are more than able to count for themselves, and it eliminates the need to change it continually as games are added.

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I would think it would be simple, and informative. Simply adding in the table's prose intro "There have been X games (...)" or the like would be more than enough, and it serves as a quick way to establish comparisons between platforms (and between the 3DS and Wii VC) for the readers. It can be

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I was as surprised as anyone seeing Nintendo slash the price of the 3DS and announce a bunch of free games as make-goods for those who already have the system. To that end, how should we distinguish the GBA games that are supposedly only for those who are "ambassadors" (fancy marketing-speak for

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Yes, but you're overlooking the "justified reason" part. A justified reason, for example, would be mentioning that the Playstation 3 was originally priced at 600 bucks, far above any other successful system at the time, or that N64 game cartridges typically cost 60 bucks in a time when all other

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I don't have any particular problem with having many footnotes and little prose on an article like this; I also think it would make the page more accessible, as the notes are next to the individual releases rather than at the top of each section. However, if it's a choice between no note at and

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While wikilinking allows us the freedom to avoid repeating ourselves, it is not a prison that precludes us from summarizing an important topic addressed in another article. Common sense dictates it is unreasonable to expect that every person who looks at this article will stop first to read the

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has yet to occur, why is it shown as being released in the NES subheading? The only date that should appear there is the September 2011 launch for 3DS Ambassadors. While the scheduled release on November 22 for the general public is 99.9% likely to take place, that likelihood isn't 100%, as any

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The "consensus" process that you are in fact using for the page is to remove any change that you do not agree with. Then, insist the editor defend their change on this talk page, and then drown out the discussion until they give up. I do see much arrival at consensus on this talk page at all,

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The info was added, with the Silicon Era citation. I didn't add the date, because while it's very likely the games will launch on Friday (December 16, per the articles), neither stated that was the release date for the games in North America. Leaving at is now should be fine, until Nintendo of

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It's cited by admins, too. The gist of the essay is that saying "well that's how they do it over there" isn't a good enough justification to change consensus. Again, you (and other anons) have made the same discussion, and it hasn't changed anything, and other editors have agreed with current

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I do not believe there is any "us" just you. Clearly most of the comments on this page are ones that disapprove of your edits. But when you are ready to openly discuss improving the page rather than being so hostile to anything that challenges your control of the page, please let us know.

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I would like to reach consensus with you, and I have asked you for an alternative to "unknown", but you have not provided me with one. You seem to be insisting that the ambassador dates be in there (which, yes, is repetitive and confusing), and you insisting on that is completely counter to

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As far as I know no Virtual Console game (for either system) has ever added new content like this. The only game that even came close was Pokemon Snap which allowed people to send pictures to the Wii message board. This however was added to emulate content from the original game (taking game

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A one-issue IP here and a one-issue IP there does not "100%" make. And the nature of Knowledge (XXG) will ALWAYS be that you'll have new editors up against editors who have worked on the article for years. Disagreeing with a proposed content change, and having other editors agree with that

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Alright, so there has been some arguing over certain aspects of this article, and it's PAL equivalent, so I wanted to start up another discussion so we can point to it and say "Here's where the consenses, here's why we do it this way". Feel free to start up further subsections as well.

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Lastly, let us know when you're finished ranting about perceived sleights and are ready to discuss why not one but two editors have problems with the changes you proposed, and would like to provide your reasons for why my statements weren't true instead of just saying "they're false".

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I never said you said you were, but you definitely were acting like you were. I see no evidence of a prior consensus about the page, other than maybe some editor trying to dictate how the page should be -- Lots of people disagree with it. Perhaps could you show me such evidence of a

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We would love to have upcoming releases shown, if and when said releases are announced either by Nintendo or the content publisher (such as Sega, Capcom or Natsume, who all publicly announce their VC releases). If you have a game that will be launched on VC for Nintendo 3DS and has a

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I would request that it be explained which parts of the edit add information which is extraneous, and that in future only parts of an edit that are undesirable are undone rather than it in entirety. I feel that all information added was relevant to this page and useful in general.

4538:- If we can come agreement, I do think it would make for less trouble in the future, but we don't necessarily have to either. I'd support removing the ratings, I don't think they're especially important to document here - people can check that out on the game's respective article. 2732:

No, if you read their comments, they last post they made was still disagreeing with you. You have no evidence that they ended up agreeing, and almost certainly they did not. What of course most likely happened is they got tired of the terrible way you treated them and they left.

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They were recently removed from the NA, EU, and JP pages since someone said they were not part of the Virtual Console. They still need to be added back these pages but they should be noted that they are not part of the Virtual Console but still fit the whole "Retro re-releases".

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50.121, you still have not answered the questions put before you. As a reminder, there are two questions. First, why are we assuming our readers cannot count? Second, why does the presence of numbers keep a table from becoming "out of control"? The presence of such information

5562:, made their North American debuts with their release on Virtual Console." I'd be all for adding more prose to the article, and I know that it would actually eliminate even more footnotes, most notably in the GBA section. What do you think, Snorlax (and anyone else)? -- 4565:. I would also remove the "Developer" column from the North American tables; this information is included in the game's respective article. I like the concept (giving credit where it's due), but the game article can handle that better. As to dates, we do need to follow 4595:- Despite the age ratings being there since the very beginning, I'd prefer to remove them alongside the language column on the Korean VC page. Are the additional 'Developers' columns and the 'Original Platform' (for 3D Classics) really necessary on the American pages? 4269:- Again, Serge covers it nicely. While it may well be gamers who write/edit these articles, there's a large number of non-gamers who are reading them. We need to write for the readers, not for the writers. Also, the subheads in the PAL section need to be de-linked per 2972:

NES games get released, then there should be a modification. That's why it isn't now. Incidentally, another editor called you out on your sockpuppetry accusation as well. That's a pretty good case, or would you like to accuse them of being one of my socks, as well? --

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GBA list (which, as Some guy pointed out correctly, are not intended to be released). This article is merely a list of Virtual Console games, not a history of the Virtual Console (which we also link to in the lead and which also discusses the Ambassador program). --

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Telling users how to obtain their content is not what was done (particularly since the promotions are all over). In the few cases there were, the specific dates were made more clear, which is relevant to this article as a list of Virtual Console games by release

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3DS or Virtual Console articles. A single sentence explaining the significance of the ambassador GBA titles, which will probably never be available for most readers to purchase, does nothing to hurt the article nor turn the article into a "history of the Virtual

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counted manually by those seeking the information, indeed, however this is tedious and unneeded. While I can understand arguments that "it is probably not needed" and "its absence does not harm the article", I think there is no argument (at this point anyhow)

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And my counterpoint is that this information is too significant to be relegated to a footnote and trivial to explain in one sentence without requiring the reader to consult other articles. We've voiced our opinions; let's leave the RfC for outside commentary.

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counter-productive. We do not list the number of games available, and if a game is in the table it has a date for release, even if said release was for Ambassadors. Your edits, while well-intentioned, do not improve the article, and thus they were undone per

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your version. And my response stands; the only information that should appear in the "Release date" field is the release date ... nothing more and nothing less. "Unknown" or "TBA" or "TBD" or anything similar is inaccurate and just plain wrong. The previous

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and not at "Nintendo Game Boy". Further, since multiple console manufacturers are now represented (Sega Game Gear on 3DS; TurboGrafx-16 on Wii U), it's more appropriate than ever to indicate that not all the devices included are made by the same company.

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Exactly right with regards to ESRB/PEGI/OLFC, etc. As to Hudson Soft, I'd be OK with that, as long as they remain in the "Developer" section when the game moves into its respective chart. Konami is certainly the publisher, but Hudson developed the game.

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foolish assumption for me to make." Given how important reaching consensus is for the mission of Knowledge (XXG), is it not helpful to indicate when a editor is apparently departing from that mission, to hopefully encourage that editor to return?

1297:, pricing information for Virtual Console or 3D Classics software is not encyclopedic and therefore should not be added to this article. Even if there is only one purveyor of such material (that being Nintendo itself), it's still not appropriate. -- 5521:

While agree that respective game articles can discuss their content better than a footnote can, that is why the footnote was brief and non-detailed for games that were not originally released in North America. I don't see how your argument is valid

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Continuing to wrongfully accuse me of accusing sockpuppetry, I think is bordering on a personal attack. Again, I'll ask you (or anyone else) to show me the name of any editor in my statement who is accused of sockpuppetry. Please be more careful.

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Of course someone can figure it out with more time, but with the previous edits it still was quicker to read. (Plus it made the tables and the page more compact.) If you can improve the experience for Knowledge (XXG) readers, why not do so now?

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wrong', 'inaccuracies', 'proven', and 'inferior'." Those are all statements someone trying to dictate a page would use." Why should McDoob be able to make questionable statements, while another editor's challenge to those statements is removed?

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games were 50 bucks or less. These prices are considered noteworthy, because reliable sources considered them to substantially affect the product. The prices of every little random 3DS VC game is not noteworthy, or "justified". It'll be reverted.

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You are not the dictator of Knowledge (XXG), and several of your actions at this point have violated Knowledge (XXG) policy. In good faith I will ask you to please try to reach consensus with me as we are supposed to as Knowledge (XXG) editors.

1937:. Third, there are many more titles for Wii's Virtual Console than for 3DS' at this time. It's too early to do it here; frankly, I'm not a fan of it there, either, but again, consensus there is to include it. Consensus here is not to ... yet. -- 1573:

As this has been attempted by at least two anons, I figure it's time to add a section for this, as I have a feeling that we'll see it attempted again and again for a while, even after release. OK, at E3 Nintendo announced that it would be making

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The problem is we don't know when those games release. Unless Nintendo (and other companies) requires them to add the release date of the upcoming game at 100% accuracy (which will probably never happen); ESRB is not a reliable, timely source.

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Manual footnotes have not been established as a style, and are simply an outdated and less useful formatting style, likely only still in place because the markup to implement them is non-obvious. Outdated and un-updated is not the same as

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Game Gear", (and for good reason, plenty may be unaware of that system, due to it being far less popular/mainstream.) Additionally, I haven't seen a valid counter argument yet. (All I've seen is an unexplained "it looks stupid" comment.)

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You guys are being difficult, there needs to be a # track just like the North American selection of the Wii VC has. I'm going to put them and PLEASE don't remove them again. Like I said, EU/AU and JP has the and NA should too, good day!

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Wow, my goodness. Really, please read more carefully. All that sentence states is Knowledge (XXG) policy. Show me the name of any editor in that statement who is accused of sockpuppetry and you then, and only then, might have a case.

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Found a compromise that works for me. This actually reflects the way the footnote appeared when it was first added to the article. This provides the information desired and doesn't distract from the format of the rest of the article.

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I have answered your question,last time I ask why was Miles Tails Prower changed into just Tails,someone told me it was because most people and sources called him just Tails,It has never been a problem years before ,it shouldn't be

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to discuss an edit to this page here, because it contained "extraneous information". There were several aspects to the edit, not merely adding information that could be considered "extraneous", so I'll break down what was changed.

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It makes it look more intelligent to the person seeing how many Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Game Gear, NES, and 3D Classics are available to download. Both PAL and Japan has the # of each platform available so why not North America?

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Let's see, your statement "You are not the dictator of Knowledge (XXG)" is indeed saying that I am, because you're trying to tell me I'm not. If I'm not the dictator, then why would you tell me that I'm not? That's bordering on a

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possible to do in a concise manner. In fact, one could easily assume that the footnote means it is exclusive to Nintendo 3DS Ambassadors without reading the above text (which I don't think we should assume people would do). --

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Hmmm, four people in this RFC say it's not good, one (the originator of the RFC) says it's good. And the last comment was nearly 9 months ago? I'd say that's pretty clear consensus. Again, just because another page does it

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Secondly, consensus is reached a second way: through editing. If the edits remain in a given form over a period of time, then that means that other editors accept that, and thus consensus is reached. Again, you are free to

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There I put the "tildes" in but please tell me why PAL and Japan have their's numbered. Japan I understand but PAL has 33 GB games, 4 GBC games, 4 GG games, 4 NES games, etc. Why does PAL have numbered entries but not NA?

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Agreed. Knowledge (XXG) is not a catalog; there are plenty of other ways to find out about pricing. You are of course free to post your reasons and attempt to change consensus, but as of now, consensus is "no pricing".

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First, no one here chose that. Secondly, that was titling an article of a fictional character, this is the labeling of real world product within an article. Third, you still haven't answered any of my questions above.

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Minority who doesn't know what the Game Boy is? This is 2012, EVERYBODY knows what the Game Boy is! It looks odd that it says "Nintendo Game Boy/Color/Advance" and it sounds so stupid and not that professional at all.

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suggests you are hopping IPs, previous warnings issued for the other IPs from which you have edited carry over to the newest one. You've been warned adequately, but have shown no interest in collaborating with other

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Okay maybe the price of each type of game should be ignored but we need to keep track of how many games each console/handheld has added to the VC service since the Wii lists them for each of its own VC collections.

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program; these titles were made exclusively available for Ambassadors and Nintendo has indicated they have no plans to sell them at a later date. No other GBA titles have been announced or released for the 3DS VC.

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Ultimately those table would be much easier to read quickly if they were not filled with the exactly same Ambassador release date in every line, making it hard to quickly identify the non-Ambassador release dates.

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Hello. I have something that is not on the list, and that is the list of Future Releases of games coming. This is quite bugging that the games aren't listed. I was wondering you'll put games on that tab. Thanks!

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Per the discussion above, I'd like to propose some rewrites to the article that will add more content and (hopefully) eliminate the need to footnote information. This is my initial proposal for the NES subhead:

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It's supposed to be a reference/source for proof that Sonic Blast, Sonic Labyrinth, Super Mario Advance 2, and Super Mario Advance 4 are arriving on the VC in the future, yet simply says "Note 2", in just plain

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The first mention of the system should include the manufacturer. Subsequent mentions can be just the console name. Would you please explain your discomfort with having the manufacturer name in the subheading?

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Another footnote was removed, leaving behind what was previously Note 2 as Note 1. The references in the table have been corrected to say Note 1, since this was the source used to add these games to the list.

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Please just let me number the amount of games okay! JP and EU have them so why not NA? Right now, there are 81 games; 39 Game Boy, 7 Game Boy Color, 10 Game Boy Advance, 16 NES, 3 Game Gear, and 6 3D Classics.

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them too. It's all a matter of perspective and what you personally know and value. Just as easily someone could say the same thing about something like tooth paste brand, and think it's ludicrous that anyone

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It is poor Knowledge (XXG) practice to accuse someone of accusing someone of sockpuppetry when that person did not do so. That could qualify as a personal attack. Please be more careful with your reading.

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for there to be sockpuppets where there's a history of both of the accounts possessing tens of thousands of edits spanning multiple years. Also, a check at SPI would dispell that miniscule chance as well.

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say that they don't necessarly have to go by the same agreements, but if we do, it may solve future headaches before they come up. Thoughts? If we do make them consistent, what should be added or removed?

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107.4.155.52 reached the exact same conclusion I did, and you ignored his main point, which suggests to me that you know he is right - only a handful of people watch this page closely and are exhibiting

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Also, your response seemed to indicate to me that your objection is only to the addition of new footnotes. If I were to upgrade the existing manual footnotes to wiki footnotes, would you revert that? --

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public, but had additional features not present in the Ambassador versions, such as detailed instructions and a modified launch screen; the Ambassador versions were patched to add the missing features.

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Ahem, let's see; Eruope and Japan keeps track of VC releases by the numbers and I think NA should and don't give me that " consensus" nonsense, NA needs to keep track I mean look at the NA Wii VC one:

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was a special release made available as a bonus to users who purchased select titles through the Nintendo eShop and has not been released to the general public. Two other titles, the Famicom port of

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Knowledge (XXG) articles are to be written for general audiences, that don't have any prior knowledge on the topic. There's no harm in keeping the "Nintendo" in there. It doesn't need to be removed.

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as best as possible, although I understand that regional standards will dictate some differences in appearance. The {{dts}} template allows for regional variation and helps the table sorting. --

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Cause I think it's iffy and stupid(not the right word),there is no reason to,Ratengo comment is "neutral" because he doesn't know all he knows is that it's called "etc etc" there in Europe(?).

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As you've already been told, "other articles do it" is not an acceptable reason, and even if it was, then it would be easily countered with the fact that there are plenty of articles that

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Unrelated to this, I've removed the Hudson Soft section in future release because they no longer exist as a company basically; Konami having complete control of that company's products.

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You mean, you didn't say "It is poor Knowledge (XXG) practice to use multiple usernames to appear to be different people"? That is an accusation of sockpuppetry without question. --

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You're free to claim that there is excessive evidence for whatever you wish, despite the fact that in reality the evidence is very much completely counter to what you are saying.

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Okay someone told me on the PAL 3DS VC that NA is the only one that has both the "Developer" and "Publisher" columns and both EU and JP have only the "Publisher". Case closed (

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are deciding whether something "sticks". As such, there was never was a prior 'consensus.'" What is wrong with providing a clarification about something that was challenged?

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rather, you just drowning people out (or ignoring their final comments). I see this process as, yes, you very much dictating the page, and hence my standing by my suggestion.

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America makes an announcement (very possible with tomorrow's normal eShop update) or the games launch (then they'll move into the normal tables). Thanks for finding this! --

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makes "Smooth Mint" flavor but not "Crystal Mint". To someone, that's brutally obvious, while to many others, they have no idea, and would appreciate the clarification.

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On the contrary, it looks more professional that we assume that the average reader is not a gamer, and therefore might like to know who manufactured the console. --

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Moreover, there was no second editor and no proof was given. When you give proof, you shouldn't just just say, "this is the way it is" but actually demonstrate why.

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with insight into how they are produced, a standalone article is warranted. Kudos to Snorlax Monster for the move and for all the additional information there. --

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I do not think the word "unknown" suggests the game will necessarily be released as you think it does, but I am happy to change that word. What word your prefer?

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Oh for crying out load! EU and JP has count of their # of VC games and NA needs to as well and if you guys can't let me do that, then you guys are being stupid. (

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Then one of two things happened: they agreed with the reasoning, or they decided to discuss their changes but agreed with the reasoning when it was discussed. --

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I'm sorry but this is too complicated. Just makes things easy and let me keep total. The North American Wii VC keeps track of the # of games on 3DS should too. (

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Of what value is keeping track of the number of releases, especially when there are so few releases to count? Personally I don't know why they keep count on the

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consensus-building (and, of course, more like being a dictator). I really would love to reach a consensus with you, but you need to be open to doing so, too.

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Why? Just because others have isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. I'd like to hear a bit more elaborate explanation why we think our readers cannot count. --

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There is clear Knowledge (XXG) policy against sockpuppetry, hence why it would be poor practice to do so. Be sure to read yourself if you are not familiar.

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because Japan just got the NES/Famicom version of Super Mario Bros. 2 (Super Mario USA) and they'll probably be getting Super Mario Bros. 3 soon as well. (

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Congratulations, despite the fact that 100% of outside opinion disagrees with you, there just isn't enough interest in this page to get change to happen.

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Three support keeping this in, one is neutral, and the only oppose was from an IP who has a history of being disruptive, and is extremely close to being

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symptoms. Browse this talk page and all you see are the same four people parroting each other and resisting every single kind of change to the article.

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will not be tolerated. Comment on content, not editors. Again, two questions have been posed to you. We are awaiting your answers with anticipation. --

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We've already told you, the fact that "other articles do it" is not a valid reason in itself. You're supposed to wait and make changes only if there is

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Please explain why the time is not now. It would definitely be helpful to people trying to quickly read the page now as it would be at any other time.

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It is not a port of the GBA version Since multiple sources have confirmed that there was going to be a new 1 player mode and that new areas were added.

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Okay, now here's my reason for this. I would think that it's already labeled as a Nintendo handheld in its wiki page itself, why is it needed?? I get

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I would moreover encourage you to stop saying that "that's how the Japanese page is" is the only explanation that I have given, as that is not true.

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Technically, the games were pushed to the eShop on August 31st, even though the announced release date was September 1st. Should we correct this? -

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is cited as though it is something that should be followed, when it is in fact only an essay and neither a Knowledge (XXG) policy nor guideline.

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to adding a sentence at the top of the section explaining Ambassador title exclusivity. Sorry it took so long to get a third party to close this

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It's so annoying that you guys flat out refuse to keep count of VC games but EU and JP does! That sure makes a lot of sense! SARCASM much? (

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No important message found, and much more was in that message than just that tiny portion that you seem to consider a "personal attack."

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cartridges to special kiosks to print stickers of the player's in-game photos) and not the creation of brand new content as it is here.--

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Well the Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, Game Gear, and NES don't have a huge list but the Game Boy games are currently at 39 games. (

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general public, and no information has been presented to that effect. Anyone else, of course, is free to enter into this discussion. --

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There I fixed it, it now says "Nintendo" in the descriptions of the Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and Game Boy Advance entries like this:

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There needs to be totals for Game Boy, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance, Game Gear, NES, and 3D Classics like Europe and Japan have. (

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and the 3DS' Virtual Console will have GBA support soon (at least for Ambassadors), but there's technically a problem with that ...

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amount of participation, it's been running for almost 2 weeks now, and it does seem like we've got a general consensus on things:

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you are not supposed to be continually making this change when there's two people who disagree with you and no one supporting you

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Yep, there it is, confirming exactly how I suggested things happen with this article. Ah, so interesting... Note as well that

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And why would we need to do such a thing? There are generally articles that cover exactly what you are talking about, such as

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That would require a published source to indicate that. Just saying "I was able to download them on August 31" is technically

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Should a sentence be added to the top of the section explaining that the current GBA titles were exclusive to Ambassadors?

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closed it. Bringing it up again and again while bringing nothing new to the table is getting old, if I'm honest. Time to

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No one opposes, but no one's especially acting on this either. Looks like this will probably just be an ongoing effort.

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Why is it iffy? Why stupid? How can you say "no reason"? - I presented 2 separate reasons. How do you respond to them?

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appeared twice on the page; you only looked at the entry in the table, not where it appeared in the article text. --

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It's not only that, but it's good to differentiate between the Nintendo and Non-Nintendo systems. (ie that it's the

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RfC: Should a sentence be added above the Game Boy Advance titles to explain they are exclusive to 3DS Ambassadors?

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governs the name of the article, not necessarily how it's mentioned in prose; this explains why the article is at

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I'm glad to see that you can count. That doesn't answer the question as to why you think other readers cannot. --

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Good god is anyone smart enough to realise that PAL and Japan's VC keep track of games but not NA? What the hell?

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I think the "Original Platform" column is of some note, since it identifies the basis for the 3D conversion. --

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Again, all you have to do is answer two questions that have been posed to you regarding this proposed edit. --

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the problem is that everything you say is based on personal opinion, not Knowledge (XXG) policy or precedent.

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All you said was exactly what Ratengo just said, but his stance was "neutral". Why do you say "oppose" then?

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There are currently 91 titles available from the Nintendo Entertainment System, which was launched in 1985.

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This is good, now we've got a standing consensus to refer/link to in the future. Thanks for participating!

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I don't see how autism has anything to do with it, and bringing up the European and Japanese pages is more

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I fully support McDoob on this one. There's no reason for the IP's changes; they just create redundancies.

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You could add a footnote detailing that those games are only available to those in the Ambassador program.

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Three oppose, and only one supports, so at best, there's consensus against inclusion, at worst, there's

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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the pages in differing styles in detrimental to the ability to compare information between the pages.

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It's iffy cause it's unneeded,stupid isn't the right word,Tails is the only example I know,I'm done,.

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Some editors like keeping a running tally on the number of games there are. Other's don't. Thoughts?

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I guess 50.121.115.151,but wouldn't recommend it.What made you thought it needed a total of Classics?

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already presents the information largely as I suggest (I merely wikilinked the ambassador program).

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console, we're assuming the reader knows exactly what it is, which is incorrect and unfair to them.

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A comment was deleted from here by McDoob. It countered McDoob's statement "someone has not read

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It is poor Knowledge (XXG) practice to use multiple usernames to appear to be different people.

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helpful to provide a vivid example of the dictatorship claim that had been challenged before?

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Yes that's their names but they don't show up like that on the eShop nor the 3DS Home Menu. (

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Please keep the numbers on there, EU and JP has them so NA should have them too, thank you! (

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Donkey Kong Land and Super Mario Bros. Deluxe are confirmed as they have been ESRB rated. (

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Noting games which were not originally released in North America, matching the style of

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explaining the significance of the Ambassador GBA titles, but this was removed by McDoob

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If the IP was inferring I was a sockpuppet of McDoob, I'd like to point out that it's

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Well that's dumb that NA can't do the same? Wow, are people really this lazy anymore?

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The information already appears in numerous locations, including the parent articles

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The "Nintendo" in Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and Game Boy Advance is really not needed

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First, please be sure to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Second, watch the

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You never said that you do, but you behave as if you do. I've started a RfC.

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unless they can be sourced and there is a justified reason for their mention

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Look there's 79 games and the total count is going to get out of control. (

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available as a free download in celebration of the 25th anniversary of the

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Good because the only accusation ever made of sockpuppetry came from you.

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Stop adding "GBC" to the Harvest Moon and Legend of The River King games

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This article links to one or more target anchors that no longer exist.

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unless Nintendo releases other GBA titles to the 3DS Virtual Console.

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For the Game Boy Advance section, which has had a contentious past:

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from the List of Wii VC Games (North America) Knowledge (XXG) page.

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I hope this answers your questions about why I undid the edits. --

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So, delete the prices column on the list of dsiware games, too? :P

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Never said I owned it. That said, how it looks on another article

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have no indication whatsoever that these were exclusive titles.

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Each VC category needs a # of games currently avalible to purchse

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No, address the questions asked of you, and wait until there is

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All s/he has done so far is send me useless automatic messages.

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Agree that section layout is consistent and should remain so.

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And this supports your reasoning for your changes ... how? --

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Needs track of # of games for GB, GBC, NES, 3D Classics, etc

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I got one,You guys chose "Tails" over "Miles Tails Prower".

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struck out and followed by two bolded parenthetical notes

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Do we put "Nintendo" in front of words like "Game Boy"?

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inclusion, as it can only be beneficial in my opinion.

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Some editors approve of this. Others don't. Thoughts?

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per the reasonings provided by Sergecross and Mcdoob.

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against both editors and handled appropriately. --

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