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But ARES is an arm of ARRL, not an entirely separate organization. Sometimes it may act as a separate organization, and membership is not limited to ARRL members, however, it is tightly intertwined within the ARRL structure. In fact, anyone holding office in ARES has to be an ARRL member. Perhaps it
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I believe that only organisations that are genuinely significant at a national level should be included here. The "and local" part of the heading is currently simply an invitation for any random 5-member hicksville club to be added. The bar to entry here is set far too low, it allows this article to
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Sorry, but you don't understand anything. I repeat again: Unió de
Radioaficionats de Catalunya is the national association of Catalonia, and Catalonia is a nation. You can not impose anything. You must respect our information. You are not the owner of Unió de Radioaficionats de Catalunya and you can
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Catalonia is a part of Spain in the same way
Scotland is part of the United Kingdom or Texas is part of the United States - that is a fact Period. To try to suggest otherwise is highly POV and simply a lie. I have repeatedly reverted the IP editor. I have furthermore posted a request for assistance
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Well I have taken the initiative. My work in
Knowledge (XXG) involves restructuring egregious and unrepresentable articles like this. I have removed the external links tag because we're now OK in that area. I have also removed the {{POV|date=October 2008}} tag. I am guessing that was placed because
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RACES (under US) is not an amateur radio organization, but rather, a separate US governmental radio service that utilizes amateur radio operators and amateur frequencies during times of disaster. Ditto, MARS, the
Military Affiliate Radio System depends upon amateur radio operators but is a separate
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Technically speaking, this list is already in bad form for an article. Ideally, there should be an introductory paragraph. Alternatively, we could change this
Article into a Category, which would force editors to create new stubs instead of just external links. Additionally, if we create a template
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Well if it should be done... might just as well start it... a little at a time. Well I suppose we can only hope people would read the talk page. How does wikipedia deal with notes only visible in the source but not in the article text... could we ask people to make the stubs as they add entries, or
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Making header to discuss the splitting of
Catalonia from Spain in this article, to keep discussion centralized. I don't think it should be done, they're all listed by country unless I'm mistaken, and it clearly specifies that Catalonia is an autonomous region of Spain, which I believe is the case.
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article. It will be better if the IARU is listed here as an international organization, and that only non-members of the IARU (and of other international or notable umbrella associations) are listed here. The former, possibly, will all be notable enough to have their own articles eventually. There
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I fixed all of the
American clubs now, everyone of them points to an article. They are stubs now, however I did include some info beyond just the template. You should put even the littlest blurb with each of them to avoid having them just wiped out by editors not making sense of what's going on. I
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In reply to the IP: Hello Sir, nation and country are two different concept, and nobody here is arguing about whether
Catalonia is a nation or not. Just, as at the moment it is an autonomous region of Spain, and the list is by country. There was many cases like this around the world :) Seriously,
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After much thought, this is article isn't such a good idea. It's just a list and as such, the wikipedia would be better served by individual articles about clubs all in a category. The list here gets hard to manage instantly upon anyone touches and is ripe for abuse. Merging this article with the
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Please, remove permanently Unió de de
Radioaficionats de Catalunya of Knowledge (XXG). We can not accept the manipulation of some people who do not understand that Catalonia is a nation, a country, with more than 1000 years of history within the Spanish state. The name can not be translated, the
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As per the qualification on the keep decision for the recent AfD vote, I'm starting to convert over the list to an article list (mostly redlinks) with external links as a note afterward. My time is going to be limited for the next couple of weeks so anyone else with time is welcome (make that
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a a part of Spain, and not as a country; therefore I agree that a separate listing doesn't seem appropriate. But, of course, I'd be happy to hear the other side of the debate, and we could sort it out here. I encourage all parties to discuss, not
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correct name is only "Unió de Radioaficionats of Catalunya" and has not translated into any language. Please remove the association. You have no right to make against our voluntat. Thank you so much.
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Perhaps it would be better to link to wikipedia articles on these clubs rather than outside links. I know that if we did this now, there'd be a lot of redlinks. Anyone else have any thoughs on this?
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request that if you know something about any of the US clubs that you expand that club's article. Also the other club and organizations around the world will need similar attention.
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I believe we should only allow entries in the list that already have articles. An exception can be made for national organisations that officially represent a country at the IARU.
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would be better if ARES were placed under ARRL as a sub-organization of ARRL? As it is now, no one would know that ARES and ARRL are related, unless they go to the article itself.
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don't worry, we're not even debating whether Catalonia is a nation, being part of another country hardly is relevant to that, just as being a nation is irrelevant here :) Cheers,
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independent source for it, and self-publication is not adequate, there must be independent recognition. I'm proposing working in this direction, comments? --
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not manipulate this information. It is unfortunate the reactions so negative about our country, Catalonia. It's very sad.
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